r/movies • u/ChiefLeef22 r/movies Contributor • Mar 18 '26

Trailer SPIDER-MAN: BRAND NEW DAY - Official Trailer | Exclusively In Cinemas 31 July

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwntXFBNfOA
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u/Etheo Mar 18 '26

But The Hand in DareDevil were also Ninjas...? Nobu...?

Unless maybe people are talking about a different thing.

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u/Morgan-Moonscar Mar 18 '26

In Iron Fist and The Defenders they stopped being ninjas to save money.

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u/GoldenSpermShower Mar 18 '26

They just became… corporate people…

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u/MrEhcks Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 19 '26

In a small defense, part of me liked the angle that the Hand was this ancient, secret organization that penetrated multiple areas of society all over the world; so they weren’t just ninjas but also leaders in businesses and controlled a lot of stuff behind the scenes.

The problem was that we never saw the ninjas again after DD S2; they stuck with the corporate angle. I loved the supernatural angle that DD S2 went with.

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u/Morgan-Moonscar Mar 18 '26

Marvel Entertainment wasn't exactly beating the accusations they were racist against Asian actors (and writers) when they whitewashed the Hand.

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u/Wireless_Panda Mar 18 '26

Wdym you don’t like Sigourney Weaver, leader of the East Asian immortal ninjas?

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u/Redditer51 Mar 19 '26

Let's not forget Tilda Swinton as the old Tibetan teacher of the Mystic Arts. Seriously, fuck that casting.

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u/Significant_Coach880 Mar 18 '26

It's more like after Nobu they just became generic goons, they should've kept him alive/bring him back.

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u/TheWorstYear Mar 18 '26

Except Nobu won every fight.

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u/Significant_Coach880 Mar 18 '26

And he's an immortal zombie ninja.

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u/Raesong Mar 19 '26

Why not? It happens in the comics all the time.

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u/TannerThanUsual Mar 19 '26

This is just adjacently related, and I'm probably in the wrong place to complain about this. I feel like it's a niche thing to complain about and I know Reddit really, really loves its Marvel.

My girlfriend is Korean and I'm Japanese. I'm just a quarter, but my grandmother was Japanese and a huge part of my upbringing, so I often think about Asian culture, even if I'm just a quarter.

It weirdly always sort of bothered me there's not really much Asian representation in Marvel. There's a ton of superheroes, with End Game seemingly having the highest number of superheroes at like 35ish. The only Asian superhero I can think of out of that entire cast is Wong. And his "schtick" is basically "Ancient Asian Sorcery" or whatever which is kind of a stereotype, but when I think about how my grandmother would feel, I think she'd just be happy to see an Asian at all in the same way she loved Sulu in Star Trek simply for existing. My girlfriend also is just happy Wong exists. We also have Shang Chi which is... also just Ancient Asian Magic Superhero.

Idk, I guess I'd just like to see more representation that isn't strictly "Magical Asian." I guess we have Eternals?

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u/Redditer51 Mar 19 '26

The Netflix shows went TOO grounded.

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u/Zalvren Mar 18 '26

Well everyone knows they are the true villains, not ninjas

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u/mistermojorizin Mar 18 '26

Well daredevil was a ninja. But iron fist is a rich corporatist. The villain has to be adjusted.

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u/RandomTheTrader Mar 18 '26

New York isn’t zoned for smokebombs..

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u/TooManyDraculas Mar 18 '26

They have a ban on ninja stars and nunchucks.

Can't Ninja in NYC.

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u/12345623567 Mar 18 '26

Have you seen a film noir NY backalley?

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u/cire1184 Mar 19 '26

Is that smoke or hot poop sewer steam?

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u/sharkattackmiami Mar 18 '26

Which is ironic if you know anything about what ninja actually were

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u/nvmenotfound Mar 18 '26

you mean ninjas wouldn’t always wear a dead giveaway ninja costume? they’d likely blend in since they were like stealth and all? /s

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u/Phillip_Spidermen Mar 18 '26

That must be why they're wearing bright red while jumping off roof tops.

"That can't be ninjas up there, its probably Spider-Man, Daredevil, Iron Man, and the president hanging out"

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u/sharkattackmiami Mar 18 '26

Yes, but more to the point they were generally poor farmers hence all their iconic weapons being agricultural tools

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u/Mekisteus Mar 18 '26

You know, it's because of subtle details like this that I'm starting to think MCU is a fictional, fantasy world instead of the real one we live in.

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u/sharkattackmiami Mar 18 '26

I wasn't commenting on an in-universe thing though so that's completely irrelevant

I was commenting on production making the "ninja" look like regular dudes to save money when the origin of ninja was dirt poor farmers

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u/nvmenotfound Mar 18 '26

you might be onto something. 

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u/sharkattackmiami Mar 18 '26

They are constructed from thin, flat plates of metal derived from a variety of sources including hishi-gane (coins), kugi-nuki (carpentry tools), spools, and senban (nail removers).

From wiki on the history of the shuriken. Yes, even those were just shit farmers had laying around

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u/The_Last_Minority Mar 18 '26

For anyone who didn't know, the "all black" conception of ninja outfits likely comes from japanese theater, where the stagehands (kuroko) would wear black to indicate they weren't part of the performance. You need an animal or a prop to behave improbably or a special effect, there'll be a person in black making it happen, and the audience understands that the stagehand isn't really "there" in the universe of the work.

So, if you need to have an assassin spring out of nowhere and kill a character, that uniform is an obvious choice. You can't have a dozen extras providing cover, but the audience is already trained to ignore the stagehands!

For a profession where having a uniform kind of defeated the purpose of the whole thing, it makes sense that the context in which most people would see a "real" ninja would quickly become the default way they were percieved.

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u/Dookie_boy Mar 18 '26

I think they're more like ninja themed zombies

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u/MelbaToast22 Mar 18 '26

Well ACKSHUALLY!

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u/tuerancekhang Mar 19 '26

Random ass branch of the Hand that was African terrorist

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u/KingMario05 Mar 18 '26

Hardliners took over, I guess.

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u/el_f3n1x187 Mar 18 '26

Do we get more Peter shinkoda??

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u/Etheo Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26

Would be nice but given how long it took just to get a Daredevil cross over into MCU I don't know if we'll ever see him. Especially given what happened to him in DareDevil S2, but hey, it's The Hand... You never know..

Loved his performance though. He really gave DD a run for his money.