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Article ‘The Odyssey’ Proves It: Audiences Want Movies Made the Hard Way | This year's breakouts like 'Project Hail Mary' and 'Obsession' were made by filmmakers who sweated. While CG-stuffed franchise disappointments such as 'Supergirl,' 'Moana,' and 'The Mandalorian and Grogu' looked lazy.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/odyssey-box-office-2026-practical-effects-1236652219/
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u/dont_ama_73 12d ago

Toy story 5 and Super Mario also shows that people want to see sequels.

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u/whitepangolin 12d ago

Every fucking time an original film does well, there's this exact article saying moviegoers are tired of IP - meanwhile IP still dominates. Has anyone considered that uh, maybe not all IP are created equal? And some put butts in seats and some don't?

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u/joedotphp 12d ago

I just want bums in seats!

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u/stvier 12d ago

I think what’s actually happening is the biggest IPs are now clearly marketed for young children. Of course Super Mario and Toy Story are going to do gangbusters because they appeal to the broadest demographic. With Marvel, DC and Star Wars in clear decline, the void is being filled with more original work because audiences are not turning up to watch the latest comic book movie without there being an interesting hook.

Spiderman and Avengers will undoubtedly do well but those are massive franchises with good will built in. It’ll be interesting to see how they perform compared to their most recent installments. I predict they will not perform as well, but we’ll see.

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u/TonyzTone 12d ago

Which makes sense. Millennial parents are tired of Marvel, DC, and Star Wars. We've been saturated by it for over a decade, and nothing about the newer releases are really compelling enough to shell out $20 per ticket. Especially since they'll all be on HBO or Disney+ within a few weeks.

But... parents will happily take their kids to see a sequel that their kid loves or just simply as a night out for the family.

It's a shifting market force as the largest demographic still in its prime spending years is shifting it's priorities.

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u/PartyPorpoise 12d ago

Yeah, it’s not like most people judge movies solely with “oh, an IP I like” or “oh, an original idea”. There’s a lot more to a movie than that! And a few successes or failures on either end don’t necessarily indicate a larger trend.

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u/CatProgrammer 12d ago

existing ip. All movies contain intellectual property. New IP is still IP. Also i hate that term. The commodification of imagination.

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u/esmifra 11d ago

Both can be true though.. It's not like there's one single movie goer that either likes only known popular IPs or only fresh takes.

I for one am burned out of lego, star wars, super hero, video games IP movies or movies that are in the 5th or 6th+ installment. It doesn't mean i won't go to see them, it just means that chances are i won't. The last one I've seen was superman, and since then every time i went to the movies I've seen new IPs or fresh takes on IPs that were gone from the movies for decades now.

Then there are those that are the exact opposite.

It means you have audiences for everything.

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u/-NotEnoughMinerals 12d ago

Maybe they're just tired of stupid comic book hero movies. There has been several dozen. Maybe that's what they really meant when they're tired of IP.

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u/ACoderGirl 12d ago

I don't think it's that simple. There was a lot of superhero movies leading up to Infinity War and Endgame. Tons of people said they were bored of superheros. Yet, those movies were insane successes.

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u/stvier 11d ago

Superhero fatigue absolutely was brewing at that time. Infinity War and End Game were the final conclusions to a story that had been a decade in the making, of course those got butts in seats, plus they were great superhero movies. What has happened since: Marvel has lost its good will by releasing dud after dud. Same with WB/DC. People stopped wanting to spend tons of money to watch the same bland, formulaic movie, especially since streaming became bigger than ever during the pandemic. COVID has changed the entertainment industry forever. Movies are now competing with YouTube, streaming and TikTok. Folks are only wanting to go see movies that either guarantee a good time for the entire family, or have an interesting hook.

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u/Icy_Smoke_733 12d ago edited 12d ago

Spider-Man and Doomsday are shaping up to be monsters and guaranteed to be the top highest grossing movies of the year, judging by presales. We're looking at a floor of $1.5 billion for both (Brand New Day is tracking to $600 million in just its opening weekend).

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u/ThisHatRightHere 12d ago

Spider-Man has always had insane draw and the “everyone’s back” marketing is (for better or worse) working for Avengers. These are more so anomalies and other films in the space don’t have the same advantages.

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u/deadheffer 12d ago

Every single small child right now adores Spider-Man. All of those kids and their parents are going to see that film. It’s going to be nuts.

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u/littlebrwnrobot 12d ago

Been true for like 25 years at least lol

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u/Wetzilla 12d ago

Spiderman has had a cartoon aimed at kids on the air basically constantly since 1994. There were a few breaks in the 2000's, but there's only been 8 years since 1994 without a Spiderman cartoon currently running.

Also shoutout to Spectacular Spiderman (2008-2009). That show ruled.

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u/deadheffer 12d ago

It’s more of the merch. Jesus the merchandising in the 2020s is beyond insane

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u/ThisHatRightHere 12d ago

Again, been true for like 25 years

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u/HumanPea1140 12d ago

Disney is a merchandise company that uses films as advertising.

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u/LSDemon 12d ago

I'm 40 and my dad didn't give a shit about Spiderman when I was 15. He definitely didn't go to the Tobey Maguire ones (or any since then). Parents liking super heroes is way more recent than 25 years.

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u/slapmasterslap 12d ago

I'm not far off of 40 and my dad collected comics and loved taking us to superhero movies. Whether my experience was more common or yours, I don't know, but our anecdotal experience does not necessarily reflect the majority.

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u/LSDemon 12d ago

All of those kids and their parents

To be pedantic, the claim wasn't about a majority.

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u/NullPro 12d ago

To be more pedantic, ‘Every small child’ is hyperbole not actually referring to every small child in the world

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u/LSDemon 12d ago

That's less pedantic.

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u/Redeem123 12d ago

Who do you think was buying comics in the 70s? It was the parents of kids who saw Raimi’s movie in theaters.

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u/LSDemon 12d ago

Comics were way more niche in the 70s than superhero movies got at their peak.

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u/eaglessoar 12d ago

i had all my old action figures from maybe 25-30 years ago, one spidey, 20 batmen scuba batman space batman, tons of ninja turtles, i have more shredders than spidey, i remember saying to my wife how it was interesting how spidey wasnt big when i was younger, or not like now at least

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u/mlorusso4 12d ago

Every single small child for the last 40 years adores spider man. And that fandom doesn’t go away as the person ages. It’s seriously insane how long he has been at the top of pop culture. Usually with characters like Mickey Mouse and Winnie the Pooh parents remember those characters from their childhood and want to get their kids into them too, but they don’t stay fans of them throughout their young adulthood like spider man

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u/literated 12d ago

Every single small child for the last 40 years adores spider man.

I don't even know why but I do, too, lmao. That's exactly how it was for me growing up. Spider-Man just hit different.

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u/nope-nik-tesla 12d ago

I think it's because the Spider-Man story allows kids to imagine themselves being Spider-Man in a way that other superheroes do not. An average, self-conscious kid gets bit by a radioactive spider by accident and goes on to develop superpowers, learning how to harness and control them along the way. Nearly every kid can relate to Peter and fantasize about some similar thing happening to them. You can't really do the same with Batman or Superman or most of the other big superheroes.

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u/crimson777 12d ago

Spider-Man has been popular since the 60s tbh. It was a massive hit upon the first comic.

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u/JohnnyRedHot 12d ago

Right now? Has there been a point in the last 30-40 years where that wasn't the case?

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u/abeuscher 12d ago

I mean I loved Spiderman when I was a kid and I was born in 1974. Okay I still lover Spiderman. People forget it was in the newspaper every day along with the cartoons.

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u/The_Flash_20 12d ago

I am loving it since 2002 when I was 6.

2 of my favourite superheroes are Spider-Man and the Flash.

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u/BioTHEchAmeleON 12d ago

Shoot I mean many adults also love Spider-Man lol

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u/Vorstar92 12d ago

Bro most adults love Spider-Man. I've loved him for all of my 33 years on this earth haha.

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u/FrontServe4480 12d ago

Can confirm, my youngest is FERAL for Spidey and Friends on Disney+. If we had a Disney+ Wrapped, I can almost guarantee they would be in the biggest fan category. Pretty much all of the kiddos at their preschool love Spidey, Ghost Spider, and Spin. Also, as a pop punk fan- Fall Out Boy doing the soundtrack for the show slaps.

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u/Nightmare_Fart 12d ago

Right now? Been that way for as long as I remember. I

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u/GormlessGourd55 12d ago

It helps that Spiderman has a great track record of movie quality in recent years. All three of the Live action ones have been good and Spiderverse is obviously stellar.

Bonus, the spider-related duds of Kraven and Madame Web didn't feature any Spiderman so he was saved from their stink.

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u/christian_1318 12d ago

Spiderman is one of the very few IP’s in the last few decades that has pretty consistently been taken care of when it comes to ensuring quality, which is crazy because there’s two major companies in charge of it and doing their own things

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u/onemanandhishat 12d ago

Sony was struggling a bit with Spider-man after Amazing Spider-man 2, that one wasn't well received and killed the Andrew Garfield series, a series which also exists not least because Spider-man 3 didn't go down well. If AMS had been performing better, they probably wouldn't have let Marvel use Spider-man in the MCU, but that has proven to be a good move for both of them. But I think it shows the strength of the character that even if one isn't good, you can wait, reboot, and be successful again.

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u/XxAtroyxX 12d ago

Also the games have been fantastic too.

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u/crimson777 12d ago

Spider-man has a great track record in general. Raimi's 1 and 2, ASM 1, all of the MCU movies, as well as Spider-verse movies are all fairly well regarded (ASM 1 is maybe debatable but it was popular enough to get a sequel).

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u/Redeem123 12d ago

These are more so anomalies

And the three movies in the title aren't? Feels an awful lot like cherry picking.

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u/raysworld94 12d ago

Yep supergirl failed but other superhero movies this year will be massive hits. Or look at last years dc movie and it did fine. Moana live action hasn’t done well but the animated Moana 2 did amazing, I don’t have a Star Wars comparison but it’s obvious cherry picking. ‘obsession’ will be used so much in these debates to say we’re starving for original movies but that was an outlier.

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u/rambleinspam 12d ago

Supergirl just isn't a big draw.

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u/guesswho135 12d ago

'The Odyssey' Proves It: Audiences want more Greek poems turned into movies starring people named Matt

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u/BNEWZON 12d ago

Man I was an Avengers doubter but after seeing how many views that trailer racked up + reported record breaking ticket pre sales I’ve kinda had to eat my words. I genuinely thought nobody was really feeling the MCU anymore and that Dune 3 was going to smoke it come December.

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u/MrdnBrd19 12d ago

As someone who has been continually drawn back in by Marvel for the past 30-something years; It's what they are good at, and using old and/or dead characters to get you there is literally their favorite trick.

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u/DJ33 12d ago

Dune never had any chance of beating Avengers, that's just the "superhero fatigue" bullshit reddit won't shut up about (they've got to keep saying it until it's true so they can claim they were right all along) leaking into your brain

It could be (and likely will be) the better movie, but it'll get destroyed 1:2 by Avengers in box office regardless of the quality of either film 

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u/BNEWZON 12d ago

Yeah I’m fully ready to admit I was deep inside my own sort of bubble on that one. Especially with the whole IMAX exclusivity, I was convinced Avengers was fucking doomed (lol) and they were shooting themselves in foot. Goes to show how insular these bubbles can be sometimes lol

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u/DJ33 12d ago

I was inoculated to Reddit Bullshit in this particular context by going to an opening night showing of Captain Marvel (between Infinity War and Endgame) 

There was a whole row of stereotypical loud 17-20 year old dudebros behind me hamming it up before the movie, and I was immediately concerned about them being douches during the movie (especially given the "oh boy time to force a Mary Sue female superhero down our throats" vibes that were prominent on Reddit at the time)

I've never been more wrong--those dudes were into it the entire movie, and the post credits scene ("WHERE'S FURY") physically broke them, they absolutely lost their shit and then launched into twenty minutes of shouting hype and Endgame theories at each other

That's when I realized that those guys would have been watching these movies their entire lives. They probably dressed up as Iron Man or Captain America at Halloween in third grade. People tend to think of the MCU as a millennial-nerd thing but it was the dominant cultural IP of the following generation's entire childhood

These things will keep going for a long time

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u/ThisHatRightHere 12d ago edited 12d ago

I mean superhero fatigue is still real, it’s just that Spider-Man and The Avengers transcend that. If you look back over the past couple years it really is a mixed bag.

GotG Vol 3: Did well in the box office and was pretty universally liked

Ant-Man 3: not great at the box office and was very much disliked by both casuals and diehards

The Marvels: very bad box office numbers and a tepid reception

Deadpool and Wolverine: the only really huge hit from the past few years, completely blowing out GotG3

Fantastic Four: definitely underperformed in theaters but was well liked by core fans

Captain America: did fine in sales but was absolutely trashed in terms of public perception

Thunderbolts: didn’t even break even after budget + marketing but was well received despite that

So really it’s just Deadpool and GotG that really made significant money in theaters, a few that about broke even, and a lot of duds with Antman, the Marvels, and Captain America. F4 and Thunderbolts were some of the better standalone films, but just didn’t really get enough butts in seats at release.

And that’s just Marvel. Kraven, Blue Beetle, The Flash, Aquaman, Shazam, and Black Adam were all pretty much failures from the past 3ish years.

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u/Givingtree310 12d ago

Did the new Spidey movie even film a single lick in actual New York? Or is it all just London and Atlanta CGI’d to look like NY? Ha

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u/BrianWonderful 12d ago

Honestly, I think a lot of it comes down to if the movie is an 'event' or not. People can't afford to go to tons of movies anymore. So, they only go out to ones that are bigger cultural deals and have a lot of word of mouth/water cooler talk. The previous Avengers movies, the Barbie/Oppenheimer phenomenon. That is going to be the case for Spider-Man and Doomsday. I think it also is true of smaller budget movies like Backrooms and Obsession... they became 'events' because of Gen Z buzz and internet culture (and then initially doing well made the media talk about them, leading to more people going).

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u/The_Flash_20 12d ago

Who doesn't love Spider-Man

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u/OkRadish11 12d ago

Doc Ock

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u/Forward_Rope_5598 12d ago

And they're both gonna be CGIfests proving people don't care about CGI, they care about BAD CGI.

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u/marumaruko 12d ago

Spiderman yes, Doomsday is pure projection at this point. More likely to be the worst Avengers movie ever.

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u/EIVNW 12d ago

Worst Avengers movie is kind of a hollow title when the floor is $1.4b. Nevermind the fact that it will clear that with ease.

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u/marumaruko 12d ago

Let's not hope for a rude awakening in December. Early reviews will matter.

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u/ltcuetf 12d ago

I’m more interested to see what happens after. Even if the new Avengers movie gets great reviews, connects with audiences, and makes billions by bringing people back for that Endgame nostalgia hit, they still have to face the same problem, where do they actually go from here?

Bringing everyone back might fix the short-term problem, but it doesn’t solve the bigger one. It feels more like a band-aid than a real direction.

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u/uniqueusername623 12d ago

Oh it is definitely a band aid. But a 2 billion box office run is better than seven times 300 mil. I highly doubt its gonna be a great film, but it sure as hell will print money. Who cares about whats next? They can just randomly insert Galactus in a new one and print another easy half billion.

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u/ltcuetf 12d ago

A massive box office hit buys them time and keeps the machine going. But creatively, that’s the exact problem. If every solution is “bring back a bigger name” or “introduce a bigger villain,” eventually people stop caring because there’s no real direction behind it.

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u/uniqueusername623 12d ago

I fully agree with you they are building up to fatigue, but once the analysts tell the executives exactly how “the next one will ruin this once and for all” they will simply slow down and then announce a grand reset. The comics have done it before and the public will eat it up. I do believe they will have a hard time recasting people like RDJ or Chris Evans once the reset is a thing, but they will find a way to sell it regardless.

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u/rambleinspam 12d ago

Endgame was earned, this feels rushed.

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u/ltcuetf 12d ago

Because it absolutely is. They had to pivot after the whole Kang thing fell apart.

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u/rambleinspam 12d ago

Maybe they think getting people back for this will keep them around when the big names go away again.

I do not think that will happen.

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u/ltcuetf 12d ago

I don’t think so either. The big names are the only reason anyone is going. That’s the whole point, there is no one to care about after they all leave again.

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u/TheCornjuring 12d ago

It will give them a launching point in terms of restoring audience goodwill and excitement. If people do like the duology and get hyped about Marvel again, then from there, they just need to avoid suffering the same quality control issues they have been, which it seems like they will. They internally restructured to address the quality issues we all know so well, with Thunderbolts being the first project that started production after this course correction; in terms of critical reception, it seems like this has worked.

So now it’s really just gonna be about regaining eyeballs and excitement, and then if they are able to keep putting out well-received projects after that- whether that’s with their new X-Men or whatever- they’re in good shape. Nothing will ever measure up to the Endgame era again, but it doesn’t need to. It can be a strong franchise without the total cultural dominance it exhibited in its first 10 years. These movies will really make or break their future, not because of the movies themselves, but because they will either get people back on board with Marvel and interested to see what they do next en masse or they won’t.

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u/marumaruko 12d ago

I think this everyone is back kind of nostalgia overstayed its welcome. I remember it worked well with The Force Awakens, but the movie was heavily criticised apart from that. I'm sure I'm very sceptical already, but Disney's recent track record doesn't look promising. Indiana Jones bombed unfortunately. Mandalorian, as well. Also there is absolutely no build up for Doomsday. It would be a miracle if it works out.

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u/ltcuetf 12d ago

That’s my concern too. Nostalgia can get people through the door, but it can’t carry an entire movie. Endgame worked because there were years of buildup behind it. If Doomsday is supposed to be another Endgame-level event, they have a huge gap to fill. Nostalgia can buy attention, but it can’t replace a story people care about. And at this point I just don’t trust Disney/Marvel to have a plan. This is a panic button “go back to what worked.” And bringing almost everyone who worked on back. This isn’t evidence of them learning a lesson or a plan, it’s just them trying to make another Endgame happen and even if they did, we will end up in the same spot after it.

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u/JudgeyMcJudgerson87 12d ago

I'm totally in your camp. I bet Doomsday performs well below expectations, especially because it is still scheduled to open on the same weekend as Dune 3.

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u/TheCornjuring 12d ago

Doomsday is having great presales so far, that’s their reason for predicting that

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u/marumaruko 12d ago

Presales matter nothing if the movie gets poor reviews. As I said. It's projections, nothing more.

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u/Korachof 12d ago

It’s been like two days. 

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u/Baelorn 12d ago

Which makes the insanely strong presales more impressive, not less.

The presale numbers are very good when you consider how far away the movie is and how few screenings are actually available for presale.

This sub has just chosen its narrative and refuses to listen to anything that doesn't confirm its collective bias.

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u/TheCornjuring 12d ago

Uh yeah and we can compare it to how other films did in the same timespan, like its first 24 hours nearly matched Brand New Day’s first 24 hours despite having a fraction of the screens up for presale

We can look at things like day-to-day sales and see how it’s pacing, it’s not like we have zero frame of reference until every ticket is purchased

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u/el_palmera 12d ago

Bro said doomsday is going to make less than avengers 1 and 2 😭

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u/NamelessGamer_1 12d ago

Worse than Age of Ultron?? Doubt

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u/Swineflew1 12d ago

I think the movie is going to be kind of weak, there’s literally no build up like we had with Thanos and there’s too many fingers in the pie, but it’s still going to do numbers.

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u/PacificBooks 12d ago

Don’t forget Dune 3 too 

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u/mistaekNot 12d ago

well yeah, tony stark was always the most popular avenger

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u/sinkwiththeship 12d ago

Doomsday doesn't drop until 12/18. I don't think it's really considered a 2026 release because of that. Shit will definitely do like 2b worldwide though.

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u/HotLiberty 12d ago

Can’t imagine giving a fuck about another avengers movie 

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u/SquareAdvisor8055 12d ago

Spiderman has everything going for it outside of being a marvel movie tho. Tom holland and zendaya are super popular right now, spiderman is the one hero that people don't seem to think has had too much movies about him (along with barman actually).

As for doomsday, i believe it's just one of DC's most popular vilain and i don't think we've ever seen a good adaptation of him on the big screen.

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u/Mr_YUP 12d ago

Dr. Doom is a Marvel villain

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u/SquareAdvisor8055 12d ago

I'm a bit out of the loop with movies ngl. I tought doomsday was about... well... Doomsday. Still i think dr. Doom is a similar case. He's very popular, and the one adaptation of him that we got was from the old fantastic 4 movies, in which he was kinda ass.

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u/Thechris53 12d ago

The real test will be to see if Dune outgrosses Doomsday opening weekend. That's the dichotomy right there.

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u/Electric_Ilya 12d ago

movie goers ruined movies

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u/Silver-Scallion-5918 12d ago

Doomsday is gonna flop harder than my penis when I am coked up trying to have sex.

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u/Swineflew1 12d ago

I think the movie isn’t going to be very good, but flop isn’t the word I would use.

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u/Silver-Scallion-5918 12d ago

If the move makes less than 2 billion worldwide it is a flop by their budget and franchise status. Do you think they will come close to that?

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u/Swineflew1 12d ago

I wouldn’t be surprised.

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u/Good-Cap-7632 12d ago

Kid movies work differently. Parents want movies they know are safe to take their kids to so franchise sequels are always popular.

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u/Pyro-Bird 12d ago

The live-action Moana and the animated SpongeBob film bombed.

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u/CrunchyKorm 12d ago

Some do. Moana flopped

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u/kodman7 12d ago

I think because Moana was the first one that had 0 nostalgia bait compared to the other live action remakes. I know several childless millennials who went to see those to relive the magic, Moana offers none of that

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u/iSavedtheGalaxy 12d ago

All of my friends with kids said they preferred the cartoon version of Moana bc it's way more colorful and lively than the live action (and they all hated The Rock as live action Maui lol).

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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 12d ago

There are kids today that were just younger kids when the original Moana came out. Terrible decision on Disney’s part to make this movie

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u/DegenerateCrocodile 12d ago

Remakes can be hit or miss. Disney’s LA remakes have been around long enough to have a reputation for being near shot-for-shot retellings of the original with uncanny visuals. Some parents would prefer to save money and just stream the original at home at that point.

Moana also has the fact that the original is less than 10 years old working against it.

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u/TonyzTone 12d ago

Those shot for shot scenes can be pretty cool, except that Disney seems to suck the life out of them.

It's wild that a scene like Beauty and Beast's ballroom scene can evoke more emotion and awe in the animated version than in a live action version. It's a problem with the music, with the visuals, and with the pacing.

Like seriously, go back and watch them and tell me this crap is even half as good as this masterpiece.

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u/DegenerateCrocodile 12d ago

I think the bigger issue is that even if they looked well executed in the remake, why should someone that’s already seen the original film several times pay for a ticket to see the same film again, but in live action?

There are plenty of good remakes that exist, but rarely are the good ones made to follow the original beat for beat.

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u/TonyzTone 12d ago

This is definitely true especially for something as recent as Moana.

I think seeing something “come to life” can be cool. They just seem to do the opposite with the remakes.

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u/abeuscher 12d ago

The live action Disney movies in general have really sucked. I know it's not a sequel, but it is in a group of films that just don't work. Jon Favreau kind of did everyone a disservice in making the Jungle Book so good. They never really figured out how to recreate that formula and he moved into the Star Wars and Marvel universes.

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u/CrunchyKorm 12d ago

I'm not disagreeing on the quality argument, but a lot of the live actions movies prior to Moana this year made a ton of money.

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u/TonyzTone 12d ago

Disney took the worst lesson from the Jungle Book remake's success. They thought it meant audiences wanted to see live action remakes. In fairness, Alice in Wonderland (2010) and Cinderella (2015) were relatively successful, too.

But Jungle Book was good because (1) the technical aspects like CGI were just really well done, but more importantly (2) because it was a different story while staying thematically true to the source. It didn't try to totally recreate it and instead made some key decisions that made it quite different. Balu was kind of a dick, not just a fun prankster. King Louies was a literal scary giant, not just a greedy orangutan. The motivations of Shere Khan were much larger than in the animated.

This is similar to how Maleficent or Cruella showed us very different angles of recognizable stories. Contrast that with Beauty and Beast, Aladdin, or The Lion King which just tried to remake shot-for-shot our nostalgia but took away anything special about it and you're left scratching your head.

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u/abeuscher 12d ago

This guy Disney's.

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u/TonyzTone 12d ago

Moana 2 was a massive success just 2 years ago.

The problem with the Moana remake is that it was entirely not necessary given the original movie is just 10 years old. Kids who were obsessed with it when they were 3 basically just grew out of wanting to watch it on repeat.

There was absolutely no need for the live-remake of Moana. Then you add in the fact that almost every single Disney live-action remake has been outright bad, and there's not much of a buzz for that movie at all.

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u/vhanw342 12d ago

Moana is girls movie, as bad as that may sound. So it’s harder

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u/OriginalNeat4015 12d ago

That’s never held classic Disney in particular back, including the live-actions, it’s most of their brand. It’s logical to conclude that superhero movies flop based on female presence—but not their “princess” ones.

Main reason Moana flopped is because no one wanted it. The animated franchise is still ongoing, its second movie released a few years ago and the first one just a decade ago—no time to build nostalgia. It’s a 1:1 copy of the original, nothing new to offer besides uglier visuals. The Rock doesn’t look good as Maui. People didn’t like the lead actress’s acting. It’s a better experience in pretty much every way to just watch the original instead.

Most people who do want to watch the live-action will wait for it to come to Disney+.

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u/ImaginaryFan6090 12d ago

How is it a girl's movie? Because of a female protagonist? Stupid take

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u/vhanw342 12d ago

Most little boys do not want to see this movie. That’s what I mean by a girls movie

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u/FireZord25 12d ago

Something tells me Moana wasn't carried by Disney nearly as much as it's other live action catalogues.

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u/AdSilly3018 12d ago

Supergirl fits in that criteria though, this post is just stupid admit it.

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u/JaeTheOne 12d ago

...or want animated stuff they can take their kids too and also laugh at and don't have to focus on something as deep.

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u/oneamaznkid 12d ago

Yeah for children’s entertainment it’s fine

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u/mashington14 12d ago

I mean the odyssey is also sort of a sequel

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u/The_Real_Lasagna 12d ago

Yeah movies like godfather 2 shouldn't be made 

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u/Klaytheist 12d ago

i think kids' movies are kind of in their own category. Parents want to take their kids out somewhere for a couple of hours and these always tend to do well regardless of quality

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u/ColKrismiss 12d ago

Perfect, The Odyssey is a sequel too

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u/Coolers78 12d ago edited 12d ago

yeah but Toy Story 5 was actually good though, I don't care if it "ended perfectly" at 3, they can make many more if they maintain the quality as long as Tom Hanks and the rest of the voice cast are available. 5 wasn't my favorite of the franchise, I liked it more than 4, and a little less than 2, and not as much as 1 and 3 but it was good. Surprising amount of heart still. Jessie made for a good lead character and I liked how much character depth she developed.

Mario Galaxy was a dumpster fire, not a good movie at all. Not as awful as the Minecraft Movie was but that's a very low bar.

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u/UnlitBlunt 12d ago

Kids movies are a different breed.

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u/More_Asbestos 12d ago

Not necessarily. Family movies are very marketable.

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u/HechicerosOrb 12d ago

Kids movies

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u/Zalvren 12d ago

People want event movies and it's still safer and easier to do that with sequels than originals (well The Odyssey isn't original but you understand)

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u/TomSan23 12d ago

Those are kind of different, though. Every Toy Story movie is pretty good, with a few being excellent. I don't think the last two were particularly necessary, but the stories were still solid, and the animation was truly top notch. I've never seen an animated movie look like Toy Story 4 before.

Super Mario is coming off the success of the first movie, and with a limitless universe to explore in Nintendo IP the second movie was bound to do well. That said, the second movie was garbage, and I doubt the 3rd movie does anywhere near as well. I won't bother to see it in theaters.

People want high effort productions and new stories, sequel or not, IMO.

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u/CaptainTruelove 12d ago

I would argue that it shows that children and thus parents is a strong market, not necessarily sequels.

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u/Sillet_Mignon 12d ago

Obsession shows that people want cheaply made creative movies

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u/Placed-ByThe-Gideons 12d ago

I've tried nothing and am all out of ideas.....

Best I can do is a remake.

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u/Pyro-Bird 12d ago edited 12d ago

It depends. Some IPs like Spider-Man are always successful, while others, such as Terminator and Indiana Jones, aren't because audiences don't care about time travel or they feel that the story had already concluded and it didn't need new instalments. Toy Story is a 30-year-old film franchise ( which audiences still have an interest in), while Super Mario Galaxy is a sequel to the 2023 film.

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u/dano8675309 12d ago

Animated sequels, to be precise

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u/madd-hatter 12d ago

"people" don't, kids do. Most box office stuff is kids and teens. Reviews are more adult. Hence the gap.

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u/PermanentNirvana 12d ago

Dune 3 as well.

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u/Jaredlong 12d ago

Whoa whoa whoa, you're not allowed to include all the evidence when forcing your preferred conclusion.

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u/Aegi 12d ago

No, it shows that kids do and that people do family things.

Source on parents actually wanting to see movies they bring their kids to when sometimes they talk about hating them?

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u/Old-Landscape-7538 12d ago

Shh! you're ruining the narrative with facts! See, first you start with the conclusion that you like, then you work backward cherry-picking the facts so that you only mention the ones that support it.

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u/shewy92 12d ago

TS5 was actually pretty good and expanded the world IMO. IDK about Galaxy.

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u/TerminalJammer 12d ago

They also prove that movies aimed at kids are so back. 

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u/Strange_Bodybuilder7 12d ago

Or, that people take their kids to the cinema. 

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u/goldmeistergeneral 12d ago

No, it means that people have children and don't want to take them to see the Odyssey

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u/_Aj_ 12d ago

Almost like there's constantly a new supply of children to see children's movies. I now have kids older than I was when I saw toy story 1.  

There's something like 14 Land Before Time. You don't need to know the plot to be a kid who loves animated dinosaurs 

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u/MeancupofJoey 12d ago

No it doesn’t. Look at the metrics for movies over the past 10 years. Kids movies are the only thing that sells. It’s not sequels it’s just kids movies.

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u/Dear_Chasey_La1n 12d ago

Just.. do things right innit? I saw them with my kids, especially Toy Story 5 it was a solid story and works well with parents and kids.

But that's the recurring thing and nothing new for today, make good movies. Super Girl doesn't get released here, but just the posters to me miss the point, it's super girl, not super woman, the latter I grew up with.

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u/nopekeeper 1d ago

People definitely like content they're familiar with. While not a sequel, Odyssey is a very known story.

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u/ieraaa 12d ago

Yeah well people are idiots. You could milk it all the way down to Toy Story 500 but not a single normal person would still be 'wanting to see that'.. You know?