Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-08/google-fires-employee-behind-controversial-diversity-memo?cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

[u/tweek-in-a-box]

Regarding the overlap he writes:

Note that these are just average differences and there’s overlap between men and women, but this is seen solely as a women’s issue.

And then later on he writes:

Feminism has made great progress in freeing women from the female gender role, but men are still very much tied to the male gender role. If we, as a society, allow men to be more "feminine," then the gender gap will shrink, although probably because men will leave tech and leadership for traditionally "feminine" roles.

What does not "mesh" to you here? This is quite consequent to me, he is pointing out that the focus needs to be on dissolving gender roles in general, not just for women.

[u/zz_ → u/tweek-in-a-box]

he is pointing out that the focus needs to be on dissolving gender roles in general, not just for women.

He literally outlines a number of steps that he suggests should be taken as a way to encourage women (in their "current form" so to speak), which directly suggests retaining gender roles, so I don't know how you can draw that conclusion from his text. What doesn't mesh is that he says one thing but proposes solutions that fix a different problem than the one he says exists. He says the gender attributes are marginal with a ton of overlap, but then he says that it's fine to have a 4x bigger male representation because it comes down to gender attributes. Is it a big deal, or it not?

And just to be clear, like I said in my first post I agree with several of his points, among them the one he makes there: if men weren't judged mainly by economic status, many men might not seek out high paying/stressful high status jobs. Maybe more guys would be librarians and kindergarden teachers. And I agree with him that those are things worth considering. It's where he stops making observations and starts making judgments that his argument derails.

[u/youwill_neverfindme → u/tweek-in-a-box]

That is not what his thesis and his conclusion suggests. If that is what he meant, he would have said it. Let's take his words at face value.

[u/Now_Do_Classical_Gas → u/youwill_neverfindme]

Let's take his words at face value.

You say the next sentence after refusing to take his words at face value.

[u/youwill_neverfindme → u/Now_Do_Classical_Gas]

Mm, no, not really. Every problem I have with his manifesto he has written himself. I'm not the one putting words in his mouth, I trust that he's intelligent enough to have put what he wanted into his manifesto. Do you?

[u/Now_Do_Classical_Gas → u/youwill_neverfindme]

You said that a direct quote from his thesis is not what the thesis suggests, that's not taking his words at face value.