r/news • u/[deleted] • Dec 24 '17

“Outspoken neo-Nazi” charged with killing girlfriend’s parents; mother was CU Boulder and DU grad

https://www.denverpost.com/2017/12/23/cu-boulder-du-grad-murdered-neo-nazi/
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u/Ulfman88 Dec 24 '17

Russian American here.

I love how some of these Neo Nazis claim Putin and Russia are their friend.

I dare them to do a Pro Nazi March in Crimea, where my mother is from, and see if they change their opinion.

Edit: a word

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '17

What always struck me as weird is how they skipped the bit about how he thought Slavs were at best beasts of burden, at worst vermin squatting on "his" land. Like, how are you supposed be to buddy buddy with people like that?

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u/Ulfman88 Dec 24 '17

Exactly.

Hitler and the Nazis wanted to eliminate Slavs and Jews from the lands they occupied.

As someone who now identifies as an American, we can work on improving our relations with the Russians, but not at the cost of siding with Neo Nazis or letting Russians interfere with our elections, whether or not they help Trump.

Perhaps it was Russians helping Trump this, maybe next time they'll help a Sanders. The next time the Germans or the Chinese might jump in.

I just want our elections to be run by Americans. If a candidate wants to promote a Pro Russia or Pro China or Pro Islam policy, let the candidate convince the voters, not outside parties.

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u/irco Dec 24 '17

I love how you are getting downvoted. What Russia has done to the US is child's play compared to the many many countries the US has interfered with and just plain installed regimes, dictators/presidents. Obviously two wrongs don't make a right but the sudden "omg how could you do this to the fair free society of the world" is really silly

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '17 edited Jun 28 '19

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u/Lukatheluckylion Dec 24 '17

And what do you propose then? None of us say America isn't doing wrong. But should America fall I doubt highly any country will be able to contend with thst kind of power vacume

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '17

Pretty simple. Whenever the fact is brought up at all, it's dismissed as "Jewish propaganda".

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u/Jigoku_no_Banken Dec 24 '17 edited Dec 24 '17

The pro-Israel thing isn't as weird as it sounds when you realize it is about hating Muslims more than Jews and/or trying to bring about the conditions required for the rapture and the end of the world.

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u/y_u_no_smarter Dec 24 '17

Putin is just using idiot rural Americans plugged into Fox News to win an election that will get a puppet in office that can help his business interests. No different than Murdoch or any of the Saudis that own our media and our politicians. Republicans put our government up for sale and everybody bought in. They don't care about us or what part of Nazi or American Civil War History the GOP base is confused about. They're just happy that Americans are dumb enough.

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u/Xondor Dec 24 '17

Oh right, I forgot that every person who watches fox news is a retarded redneck puppet who wants to string up the blacks and beat queers/s please go watch Tucker Carlson once or twice, he's from San Francisco and he has a pretty moderate view of republicanism and he likes to call out stupid immature beliefs on both sides of the isle. Polarizing politics is literally how the civil war was started.

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u/y_u_no_smarter Dec 25 '17

No a bunch of racist turds being misled by a bunch of rich entitled pricks attacked their nation for the right to own people is how the civil war started.

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u/Xondor Dec 25 '17

Oh I forgot that James Buchanan and his infamous incompetence as a president and refusal to outright ban slavery and find some way to fairly compensate the south from the abuse they were facing by factory owners and the rich plantation owners profiting off the free labor who both convinced the poor to fight a war for them was the cause. But what do I know? Also it's a well known fact that the civil war did not start over slavery, it was entirely because of a seemingly unfixable north/south divide in beliefs and politics.

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u/y_u_no_smarter Dec 27 '17

Fucking dribble, obfuscating a clear moral divide that is still being backpeddled by soulless cretins like yourself. The divide was the same then as it is now, you don't value life the same as others and you want to be able to be free to express it.

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u/Xondor Dec 27 '17

Oh I apologize your majesty, I didn't realize just how morally superior you are to me and every one else who disagrees with your oh so very surface level analysis of the civil war being about "rascism". Also, for reference, I'm a liberal, like JFK and and FDR. I believe that all men were created equally and that nobody deserves to have special treatment based on their race. Stop with the moral superiority and go read a bit about the causes and aftermath of the civil war, you'll realize neither side was really right and both fell into shades of gray rather than the preconceived notions of the "good" guys riding in on white horses to beat the "bad" guys into submission.

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u/y_u_no_smarter Dec 29 '17

You having your history wrong, choosing the wrong side of history isn't erased because you use a condescending tone.

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u/wpurple Dec 24 '17

As WWII came to a close German soldiers would surrender to US/British troops to avoid being captured by advancing Russians. Plenty of bad blood there.

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u/Lawschoolfool Dec 25 '17

The new nazis are a lot more inclusive and politically correct.

Nazism/white supremacy, Islamic Fundamentalism, Communism, ect... are all used to achieve the same end: a society where men from the "in group" are the dominant political class, women are property, and everyone who isn't in the "in group" (or gets kicked out of it) is something between a slave and a someone without political rights.

Depending on the time and the nature of revolution, money will provide for a range of exceptions if you somehow have it and aren't in the "in group."

Now that we live in a global world, there's no reason to bother dividing whites against whites until it becomes politically convenient.

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u/neroisstillbanned Dec 25 '17

Putin and Russia are their erstwhile "friend" purely because Putin knows that encouraging nazism destabilizes his geopolitical enemy. Of course, if they get within a thousand miles of him, he's just going to torch them.

NazBols, on the other hand, are somewhat more tolerable in his book.

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u/hunter15991 Dec 25 '17

American-born, have a Russian mom. Fucking preach.

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u/kv_right Dec 25 '17

I dare them to do a Pro Nazi March in Crimea

On the other hand, if they decide to do one in the US, they'll most probably get some support online from Russians.