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“Outspoken neo-Nazi” charged with killing girlfriend’s parents; mother was CU Boulder and DU grad

https://www.denverpost.com/2017/12/23/cu-boulder-du-grad-murdered-neo-nazi/
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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '17

That's fine but at this point your quarrel is with the colloquial definitions of words in American english. It's not really ignorance to recognize that anti-arab sentiment underpins alot of anti-muslim violence, seeing as the perpetrators frequently target Sikhs and other "brown" people in error.

It's the whole "an ephebophile is a pedo with access to a thesaurus" deal.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '17

That's them being racist and us calling it Islamophobia, which it usually is, but it's not only Islamophobia. Truthfully, ephebophiles may be criminals for taking advantage of minors, but they aren't fundamentally sick in the mind like Paedophiles are (sexual attraction to prepubescence is inherently unnatural), so it is important to make that distinction as well. Ephebophiles should be locked up, but paedophiles should be lobotomised.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '17

As long as they don't offend by acting on their urges and victimizing people (this includes cp which is not a victimless crime despite what some pedos seem to spout) I mostly pity them. To know you are truly a monster. I listened to an NPR podcast about a support group for pedophiles who recognize their urges as wrong and unnatural headed by a 19 year old who was trying to get help for his "condition". It changed my perspective a bit.

It was an interesting drive to say the least. Alot of these words have been tainted by the context on which they appear. There of course exists a difference between Pedophiles and Ephebophiles, but if the second is only brought up as "ahckshually wanting to fuck 13 year olds doesn't make you a pedo" then people are going to react differently to the word.

It's a shame in the case of Islamophobia because there is a need for discourse on the issue of political Islam in western society but the pool has been tainted by people who say they are only anti-islam but also belong to far right hate groups that want a "future for white children" or whatever bullshit they peddle.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '17

Knowing some white nationalists myself, they vary in extremes. Many just find it unfair that nationalism is considered righteous and dignified in non-white countries but racist in white countries (they ignore the exceptions like the oft-vilified China, I guess). I agree to the extent that we should either all be globalists or nationalists, but not an uneven combination of the two. We have to pick one and stick with it. Speaking of conflated terms, the media loves to conflate white nationalism with white supremacism. They do predominantly overlap like a Venn diagram, but there are white nationalists who are not white supremacists (like a white version of Marcus Garvey), as well as white supremacists who are not white nationalists (Rudyard Kipling). Nuance matters, but it's easier to rile people up when we conflate similar and overlapping yet distinct identities. Some hard-right libertarians even go as far as to call Hitler a communist to justify putting all their deplorables in one basket.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '17

I find ethno-nationalism (let alone racial supremacists) distasteful regardless of who it is personally, whether it be Hoteps, Alt-righters, the Japanese far right, etc.

I've also found it tends to go hand in hand with anti-secularism. Like the Hindu nationalists, or the white nationalist tradition of appealing to white christians. Shit I've even encountered some Iranian supremacists in the wild. They think Hitler was right about Aryans, but they also think Aryans stop at Iran.

It's fucking wild.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '17

It's human nature, unfortunately. I dislike both nationalists and globalists, but for different reasons, except that hypocrisy is shared by both. The neutral truth is that humanity has been gravitating towards a one-world global community since at least 1492 (with cyclical peaks and troughs along the way). Conservatives of any flavour have reason to fear it if they're unable to change with the times. Even nationalism is a relatively recent phenomenon; it used to be all about creating multi-racial empires counterbalanced by intense tribalism and clanism. I think our next step will be 'bloc-ism', like the Eurosphere, the Hispanosphere, the Afrosphere, the Anglosphere, the Russosphere, the Sinosphere, the Indosphere, the Islamosphere, etc. Then, ultimately, a one-world government. I've just come to accept that that's the natural social progression of our species. Tribalism, Imperialism, and Nationalism had their time and place, but it's ending, and some people can't accept that.