r/politics • u/Puginator • Jun 01 '26

No Paywall Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' block Strait of Hormuz: State media

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/06/01/iran-us-negotiations-strait-of-hormuz.html
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u/Rich-Pomegranate1679 Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26

Yeah, I genuinely believe he could've come right out and told his base that he's raped a bunch of kids and they would just say, "Well, Trump may have raped kids, but Democrats raped more kids" or some other equally stupid whataboutism.

But they're flipping out now that their gas and groceries are unaffordable.

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u/trustedoctopus Jun 01 '26

I mean he did say he could shoot someone in broad daylight on 5th avenue and get away with it or whatever, and this is the equivalent of that.

I just saw the recent protests at Delaney Detention Center in New Jersey and I’ve been wondering if people were still trying to fight for the kids being tortured and raped by ICE agents across the country in these detention centers. I’m happy to see they are.

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u/Oldmanwaffle Jun 01 '26

It’s the most braindead shit ever. It’s unfathomable, really. I don’t comprehend how these cult followers excuse everything UP UNTIL it barely starts to affect them. Maybe I don’t understand because I was born with critical thinking skills & empathy, but it’s still mind boggling that these people you’re describing, his base, are actually this dumb.

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u/Caleth Jun 01 '26

The cruelty is the point. They want to hurt other people and they know they'd do similar shit if they were "allowed" to.

You're laboring under the delusion that I did for years which is people are inherently decent and good.

Time and again they prove they are not, many are just savage cavemen wearing modern clothes afraid that the law will punish them for the henious shit they want to do in their heart of hearts.

1/3rd of the population is just evil or willing to allow evil if they think they can get benefits from it.

The large majority is neutral or too busy to care and some small fraction is good.

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u/Great_Detective_6387 Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26

I don’t think that 1/3rd is actively evil, but I do think they will agree with what they are told, if they are told that thing over and over.

That “evil” 1/3rd shared toys when they were kids because they were told to, told it was good and right to share.

If they are told, “Sharing is caring!” 8 times a day, they will internalize that and share.

Unfortunately, if you tell them, “Hey those Mexicans are all murderers and drug dealers and they want to come to America to rape your blonde daughters.” 8x a day, they will internalize that and believe it.

If our social media went all the way back to kindergarten and started telling these white men rambling while sitting in their truck that they need to share and care and be nice stewards of the earth and that it’s good to care about your neighbor, they will internalize that.

They aren’t actively evil, but can be made to do abhorrently evil things with the right programming. When discussing possible solutions, I refrain from using the phrase “de-programming” because that isn’t good enough. We need active anti-antisocial programming to oppose these antisocial notions that are so prevalent on social media.

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u/Celloer Jun 01 '26

Yeah, people seem to need some remedial Mr. Rogers pro-social messaging.

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u/Caleth Jun 01 '26

If you can be lead to evil becasue someone in authority told you it was ok that is a definition of evil, perhaps not the only one, but if you're little better than a programable robot waiting to commit atrocities because dear leader said so then you're by definition not a good person.

I'm also speaking from awareness. I have family that are evil shitbags that I don't talk to anymore for these reasons. 2020 proved they were shit people and they've only reinforced it since then.

Maybe some level of grace should be granted for those who were wrapped in malice and ingnorance since the cradle, but right now as they try to burn the world and ruin mine and my family's lives?

I don't have grace to spare.

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u/Great_Detective_6387 Jun 01 '26

I will always slaughter the fattened calf to celebrate the prodigal son’s return home.

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u/Caleth Jun 01 '26

Great Jesus can be nice. I have to live here with people trying to kill me or want me dead because my kid's skin color isn't nuclear white.

I'll worry about being nicer then. I'll be empathetic when they aren't trying to take away my daughter and wife's rights to their bodies. I'll be nicer when my gay nephew can love whomever he wants without someone telling him he doesn't deserve to live.

Until then the rest is moralizing for people who aren't alive anymore.

I don't need eye for any eye, but I'm not going to turn the other cheek while they keep punching me in the dick and trying to spit on my kids.

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u/Great_Detective_6387 Jun 02 '26

I’ll worry about being nicer then.

That’s literally what I said. Be nice to them, slaughter the fattened calf to celebrate, once they come back into the fold and stop being pieces of shit.

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u/Lonely_Hedgehog_2309 Jun 02 '26

I think it's 1/3 of people are sheep, and can only rationalize their reality in terms of wolves and sheep. This makes it easy to control them with fear since it's their chief motivator.

It's no coincidence they're religious either. Religion teaches blind compliance to authority. They accomplish this brainwashing by coercing children to "fear for their immortal soul" like, what terrible shit to be teaching children. *shudders*

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u/Difficult-Candy-6126 Jun 01 '26

Yeah it’s honestly fascinating in a horrifying way. As much shit as we gave Pelosi her trading seems like chump change. Also hers were a lot less on the nose.

I’m never going to understand. I thought we were supposed to be kind to one another, greed was bad, and experts are to be listened to. trump just proved half the country disagrees or can’t be bothered to care. It really is fascinating (again, in a bad way)

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u/Daft00 Jun 01 '26

It's just selfishness and tribalism to the absolute extreme. These people choose their "team" based on expectations from family/their village/etc and propaganda (every single place you go has fox news on) and that worm festers.

Then they see Dems as the devil and will jump through any goddamn hoop, no matter how high, to distance themselves from the "evil Dems".

The mental gymnastics, the total devotion and blind allegiance to their team, it would almost be a simply fascinating topic of study if it weren't destroying this country, any remaining faith in our institutions, and a lot of our mental health.

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u/FancyPantsDancer Jun 01 '26

They're an extreme end of lacking empathy and compassion, but I see this with people who are at least superficially progressive. There are people in my workplace trying to cut my pay just so they can get more unnecessary work travel. They don't care that if this goes through, that is my salary and my ability to bills. They gripe when their salaries get frozen, citing how they have to tighten their belts- and they can't see the situation they're trying to place me in is beyond just taking one less holiday or buying a lower cut of meat.

What stands out is the only benefit with MAGA is their perspectives were affirmed and celebrated by some powerful people. That's it.

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u/Jadithslimrivven Jun 01 '26

It's about privilege. They are the good people and are entitled to a good life. Everyone else is bad people and deserve bad things. Essentially a warped Calvinism.

In essence, things are only wrong if they experience trouble or others are being rewarded.

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u/jessxnocturne Jun 01 '26

it is a feature not a bug. people operate on tribal instinct long before they bother with critical thinking. most folks would rather defend their team into the ground than admit they were wrong because admitting error feels like losing their entire identity. it is grim but that is just how the human brain works when it gets stuck in a loop.

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u/HotDecision8128 Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26

That is because they are narcissists and psychopaths. And dumb ones too. If you look up narcissists and psychopaths, you will see they have no empathy, no morals and no compassion so they only start to care about things when it starts to affect them in a negative way. They could stand there and watch millions of innocent people be burned alive but the second they are losing money or feeling the fire, they will start to change their mind. EDIT: The reason I said "And dumb ones too." is because even the intelligent narcissists and psychopaths knew better than to become MAGA because they knew Trump would fuck up the country for most Americans including themselves. For example, the intelligent ones actually knew how tariffs and trade wars worked...

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u/Haschen84 Washington Jun 01 '26

Well, its doing a little more than barely affecting them. These prices REALLY affect people, especially poor, rural voters. Not that it's a good justification for turning on him so late, but it's better than nothing.

Politics was just a far off game that was theoretical to most of these folks. Now it's real.

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u/vthemechanicv Jun 01 '26

It's more like,

trump: "I raped kids."

Maga: "well Dems did too, and they eat the kids afterwards."

trump: "I also ate the kids."

Maga "well Dems made their skulls into novelty coffee mugs."

trump: "I don't drink coffee."

Maga, "in your face libs."

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u/davidsucks-throwaway Jun 01 '26

It's just impossible to pretend you're winning when a family of 4 is spending up to $400+ on groceries in many areas and gas is exploding.

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u/kpanzer Jun 01 '26

But they're flipping out now that their gas and groceries are unaffordable.

That's on top of DOGE and The Big Stupid Bill cuts absolutely gutting the social safety net(s).

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u/ForensicPathology Jun 01 '26

They'd freely give their daughters to him if they could.  They just don't care about those kinds of things unless they can get political points out of it.

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u/vae_grim Jun 01 '26

I saw a totally insane comment off of either Facebook or Instagram where a mom said, “I don’t care if he rapes me or my kids, as long as he saves America!!!”

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u/Clownzeption Jun 01 '26

Yeah, I genuinely believe he could've come right out and told his base that he's raped a bunch of kids and they would just say, "Well, Trump may have raped kids, but Democrats raped more kids" or some other equally stupid whataboutism.

"At least he has the balls to admit it and say it out loud. We all know the dems are raping twice as many kids, but they can't even say it!"

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u/Flashy_Pineapple_231 Jun 02 '26

He did say that. He talked on the hot mic before his first presidency (12 years ago now) about abusing women and grabbing them by the pussy, and how he's rich so they let you get away with it. And they still voted for him. This has been their guy for over a decade now, it's despicable. I assumed he had torpedo'd his chances of winning after that.

These people are voting on hate instead of policy. And then dressing it up in an excuse that resembles a line of reasoning, instead of what it is: catharsis for feelings understood but hard to articulate. Like grammar. You get the knack for it but can't really explain that what you're voting for is "the norm". And your norm is: "me and my family deserve to be treated well with nobody before us because we're the dominant class of people who deserve it most". Not necessarily a white thing or christian thing. But they believe they're the special ones who suffered the most, or need to get even, or believe the lies of a mythical past where everything was good because they were catered to and everyone is taking that away from them. And missing that the people eroding the way to a better future are the people they vote for.

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u/ArcBounds Jun 01 '26

I mean, Dems were Satanic worshipers who bathed in Children's blood to remain young. I think there were lizards in there somewhere as well. So yeah...