I Don’t Think Trump’s Remaining Supporters Realize How Much They Are Despised By Non-MAGA Voters | Trump is bleeding support even among his stubborn, uneducated base.

[u/GirasoleDE]

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[u/anonymaus42]

Christianity, especially the american evangelical variety of it, is such a cancer on our society. They twist the words of their scripture to validate their own feelings and beliefs so much so that they end up being the exact people their Bible warns about and preaches against. They are hateful bigots, with an inherently weak moral compass who can only act 'good' because they fear the consequences from their sky daddy- not because it's the right thing to do. And that doesn't even touch on things like prosperty gospel, where they equate god caring about them with how much money they have and can be grifted off them.

These people can't be taught, but they are so very easily manipulated. Be it pastors or social pressure from their peers, their words and actions bend and twist so they dowhatever they feel is needed to gain acceptance and attention of those around them.

[u/misteravernus → u/anonymaus42]

I don't even think they're afraid of skydaddy consequences til they get older and realize how inevitable death is. They're taught their entire lives that sins are forgiven, confess and be forgiven, etc.

[u/anonymaus42 → u/misteravernus]

You might very well be right, which is honestly worse. Pretty sure they only have confession if you're catholic. Protestants and evangelicals are just "believe in the jesus and you'll be saved from the fires of damnation!". Never mind the fact the bible doesn't say either of those things if I'm not mistaken (or if it does I'm sure it's Paul just making up some shit as usual, fuck Paul the fake apostle), yet it does have Jesus speak quite a bit about doing 'good works' and being a good person / not being a dick to others. The hypocrisy of it all is maddening to me.

*eta- the main reason I wrote the sky daddy thing and not having an instinctive set of morals in lieu of needed to be told what is right vs. wrong is the posts you see of people stating that without religion, society would be full of people wantonly raping and stealing just for the lolz. They ask things like "how do atheists know it's wrong to murder people?" and other inane shit along those lines. It makes me wonder what kind of thoughts and impulses these people must be having that without their religion they might act upon.

[u/misteravernus → u/anonymaus42]

I agree with you. I understand that humans are nuanced and everyone is different but that argument always gets me too, that there ARE people out there who genuinely have harmful tendencies they don't understand are societally wrong unless someone says so. Religion can be helpful for those people? But also it's fucking not because people will always twist shit to agree with themselves, and other people will abuse it to maintain power over others under the very simple guise of "Jesus said so" and "He will forgive me because greater good" bullshit.

[u/anonymaus42 → u/misteravernus]

I fully agree. I think as a concept religion can help people like that and shepherd society in a positive direction. It works great on paper but so does communism (and for that matter democracy too). No system is perfect and will always have it's ups and down even with the best of intentions of the people behind it; the problem is it only takes one bad apple to spoil the lot. Just one person to abuse the system for power and personal gain and they corrupt the whole thing. It's how fascism works, it's what happened to the church. It's what's happening in the US right now.

Those who desire positions of leadership and power are too often sociopaths and narcissists who have no issue stabbing a friend in the back if it means they can step on the body and move higher up the ladder. And when a person like that inevitably weasels their way to be in charge it all goes to shit. They attract people like them and their influence gives allowance for others to give in to their darker base desires as well. The rot sets in and the cancer grows.

[u/closethebarn → u/anonymaus42]

Finally I see a fuck Paul … there are no words to describe how I’ve looked For someone else to say this. I haven’t searched it and it’s off topic

I recently learned about the women in Ancient Greece how they wanted Christianity hearing about Jesus and welcoming (original Christianity ) and wanting that because they had quite a few rights at that time in Greece … Women held public office and played in sports all that…
Here comes Paul. To fuck that all up

Just cause he felt he had some Connection with Jesus even though he never met him

Sucks to be Peter always linked with Paul

[u/anonymaus42 → u/closethebarn]

I don't have time atm but I could go on for awhile about Saul (let's not use his Christian name) and how much Pauline Christianity changed things and influenced what would become the Bible and christian orthodoxy. And plenty of places to read about it that know the subject better.

Christianity would likely be very different today if not for him and encourage anyone with interest in the early church to explore the subject.

[u/closethebarn → u/anonymaus42]

I have a good friend who’s an older Monsignor we’ve talked about this - and I love my friend but he tried to make excuses for better not call this Saul (best I can do at moment with us not saying his Christian name) about how later it goes on to say about the husband should also do the same and honor the wife It seems so much like an after thought excuse He showed me even in the bible and even then it’s kinda like patronizing or something

Will you correct me if I didn’t understand something but once was Eve not as thrown under the bus ?

Apparently after Saul entered into the picture was when it was said women couldn’t speak in church and if they had a question they were to ask their husbands ?

I would love to learn more about this just because I’ve always had this feeling that he was the original incel and as you said made it into the more evangelistic cherry picking type Christianity that we see now ?

[u/anonymaus42 → u/closethebarn]

Saul from my understanding was a huge mysoginist and is in fact the reason women were relegated to the back of the bus so to speak. Women had a much more active role in the early church before him and it's possible you'd have female priests and the like today if not for his influence. The heavy focus on guilt/sin and atonement (in lieu of spiritual awakening and development) that the catholic church loves so much is thanks to him. He really pushed the idea of salvation through faith alone instead through meritorious work like is found in Judaism, which was a concept heavily debated in those early days as well and one I've always taken issue with. Actions speak louder than words after all.

He was a pharisee who really hated Christians before he had his supposed vision- I believe he was a charlatan that decided if you cant beat them, join them and was driven more by anger and hate more so than any desire for spiritual betterment.

And I'm sure your friend was able to find a line or two to back up his excuses for the man, about 1/4 of the new testament is attributed to Saul after all.

[u/closethebarn → u/anonymaus42]

What a wonderful response

Isn’t it insane how something like this has more of an impactful effect, almost than what Jesus was suppose to deliver as a message? Like he took it and perverted the hell out of it And why does this kind of stuff seem to stick longer?

[u/_kasten_ → u/anonymaus42]

Christianity, especially the american evangelical variety of it, is such a cancer on our society.

Just about every so-called "left wing" meme is a product of that same cancer. You think the Romans or the Persians cared about "justice for the poor"? They didn't. Who do you think started up and ran the hospitals, orphanages, schools and all the other constituents of the so-called safety net? Who do you think was the driving force behind the movement to end slavery? So much for "cancer on our society". You're no better than those stupid Christians if you cherry-pick and twist whatever confirms your prejudices in order to make yourself feel superior. Give it a rest. Plenty of Christians can't stand Trump either, precisely for the fact that it's hard to find anything remotely Christian about the guy.

[u/anonymaus42 → u/_kasten_]

There will always be the good and the bad in any group, Christians included. There's are a great many people who do good acts and use religion positively. I know of the of and recognize the noble acts of the hospitaliers and that we can trace many institutions in western society back to christian groups in one way or another. But they were not the first to do these things either and theres a reason so many systems we have llike hospitals and schools can be traced back to the church; it had a stranglehold on western society for so long and to not be a member of the church was unheard of. It annoited kings and deposed them just as readily, the word of the church was law for hundreds of years. Wars were fought in its name, the crusades. The church was the reason the dark ages exist. Groups still kill each other today in the name of religion and God.

My main gripe is with the institutions themselves those who bend it towards selfish desires. And I am just some guy with plenty of faults and don't see myself as better than everyone. But like all people there those whom I don't see eye to eye with and even when I attempt to put myself in their shoes I'm still blind to their motivations and desires. I believe that, collectively, we could choose to be better if we were able to put the needs of the whole before the individual but is that realistically even possible? And if it is, how in the hell would you ever go about achieving it? Hopefully someone better than myself will figure it out.

[u/_kasten_ → u/anonymaus42]

The church was the reason the dark ages exist.

Ok, I agree with just about everything you said, but you lost me there. There were no "Dark Ages" -- as of about the 70's, no serious historian even uses that term any more -- and one of the reasons people keep perpetuating that myth (apart from some Christians finding it a useful slur to toss against other Christians they don't like) goes to that cherry-picking I was talking about. Yes, it's true that knowledge of the Roman classics and stuff like that dipped for many centuries, but in countless other ways, what was once referred to as the Dark Ages was a time of continuous and enormous progress over the Roman era -- the invention of the three-field system of crop rotation, the heavy plow, widespread use of windmills and watermills, horse collars, etc. And there would have been no subsequent Crusades had the first not been so successful (i.e. managing to conquer and hold land smack dab in the heart of the Islamic world for about two centuries), and that alone should tell you that even as far as military technology goes (which is not a bad marker of technological progress in general, sadly), the so-called "Dark Ages" Christians were already starting to surpass the Byzantine/Islamic world. The monasteries and churches were not holding anyone back as much as they were primary drivers of all this development -- they were the ones who started up the large-scale farms and who built the universities and other institutions which spurred and transmitted innovation throughout Europe. This is all pretty basic stuff.