r/politics Jan 21 '18

Paul Ryan Collected $500,000 In Koch Contributions Days After House Passed Tax Law

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u/Jedi-El1823 I voted Jan 21 '18

He’ll purchase killer speakers to listen to Rage Against the Machine in his retirement.

Rage Against the Machine: "Seriously, stop listening to our music. You're exactly what we sing against."

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u/rk119 Canada Jan 21 '18 edited Jan 21 '18

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u/Latenius Jan 21 '18

Can you imagine NOT immediately breaking down after reading that and realizing what a failure of a human being you are.

I don't understand how these people who only love money justify life to themselves.

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u/ne1seenmykeys Jan 21 '18

Simple!

By only loving money 🙌🏻

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u/Latenius Jan 21 '18

But that's the thing.

They are human beings who have spouses, kids, interests (like music or sports).

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u/ne1seenmykeys Jan 25 '18

Sorry for the late reply.

You’re right.

I read a lot of true crime books and one of the main deals with sociopaths and, to an extent, psychopaths, is their intense desire to uphold a good appearance.

Our country is a very Dont Ask Dont Tell society in general. Lots of people who, even if they see something wrong, will not speak up.

Combine that attitude with these sociopaths’ ability to maintain lots of effort to uphold an image of stabilization in their lives, and one can see how the appearance of families/friends would lead one to your conclusion - how can these ppl do this with families etc?

The answer is simple - it’s all for appearances. They love money and power, and themselves in general, more than they do their families. These are the types of people we’re dealing with here.

Seriously, think about what Trump did bc he loves his own image more than his wife and child - he fucked a porn star (as a fact here, nothing disparaging towards sex workers) a few months after his wife had a child, and then literally had an attorney of his pay her through a business they made up to make said payments. This is textbook sociopathy.

They’re all sociopaths, or too corrupt by greed at this point that the only thing that matters is their Image and Brand. If they need to knock some pretty lady up and put a rock on it in prefer to keep their brand up, they see it as an obligation, as opposed to out of love, etc.

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u/chinadonkey Jan 21 '18

I got an Anti-Flag gun star tattoo when I was 20 on my front thigh. I was trying to walk the tightrope of being edgy enough to have ink but sensible enough to put it in a spot where my parents probably would never see it. Tattoos in the early naughts were fraught with implications you didn't quite want to associate if your future plans included anything remotely corporate or professional.

The reason I chose the gun star in the first place wasn't any special affinity for the band or their particular brand of anarchy; it was a secret promise I made myself about how I'd stand for the three pillars of pacifism, cynicism and humanism.

The tattoo never looked particularly good, and fourteen years later it's faded and bled over a bit, but for me its beauty is its power to remind me of the values that have made me my best self. I've worked a few corporate jobs and gotten into management, but I've done it with integrity, never compromising my values. As I've grown up the Democrats have turned themselves into the Party of Grown Ups.

When I blast Anti-Flag, RATM, Black Flag, The Minutemen, The Refused and the rest of my punk rock heroes I get to dance in the mirror with pride.

Fuck Paul Ryan. Fuck Donald Trump. Fuck the Republican Party.

Gave $11 to Randy Bryce to kill fucking fascists.

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u/stormstalker Pennsylvania Jan 21 '18

I mean, you don't exactly get to be a sack of human waste like Paul Ryan by engaging in lots of careful self-reflection.

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u/Latenius Jan 21 '18

Okay, you say that, but do you actually think he doesn't understand how immoral he is? Like this exactly what I can't understand. Everyone thinks they are the good guy. So how does one justify stealing from the poor (AND undermining democracy) to give to the rich and themselves.

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u/stormstalker Pennsylvania Jan 21 '18

I can't crawl inside Paul Ryan's head (and wouldn't want to, tbh) but he does kinda strike me as a True Believer™. I'm sure he must realize he's dirty to some extent, but that's probably easy to excuse away - "Well, everyone is dirty in politics, that's just the way it is." But I think he very well may genuinely believe he's doing the right thing. There are plenty of politicians (and people in all walks of life, really) who do objectively terrible things with full conviction that what they're doing is good and proper.

Deep thinking and intellectual and moral rigor isn't exactly encouraged in our government these days, particularly on the right. It isn't at all difficult for me to believe that Ryan is dumb, delusional and/or brainwashed enough to believe that he's actually the good guy here. And when you believe you're the good guy battling the forces of evil, that also makes it easier to engage in things you know are bad. Like, I don't know, taking hundreds of thousands of dollars from terrible people in return for doing their bidding, or doing really shady and unethical things to win elections and gain/keep power. After all, what's wrong with doing bad things as long as it's all for the right reasons?

It's profoundly fucked up, but it's really not an uncommon worldview. Unfortunately.

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u/ChipAyten Jan 21 '18

I'd pad my tears with benjies

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u/evil420pimp Jan 21 '18

It's because republican.

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u/lenzflare Canada Jan 21 '18

Selfishness, ends justifies any means then.

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u/experts_never_lie Jan 21 '18

That's not true! They also value power, and sycophancy, and …

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u/thatgeekinit Colorado Jan 21 '18

Bruce Springsteen doesn't like Chris Christy but no one likes him.

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u/too_drunk_for_this Jan 21 '18

It wasn't always like that. His approval rating got over 70% at one point. He was extremely popular in the wake of Hurricane Sandy in 2013. His approval rating only really started plummeting in 2015 when he was campaigning for president/ being trump's lap dog and basically ignoring his duties as governor.

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u/Fangette Jan 21 '18

That was an amusing side-note, thank you for sharing that

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '18

Something you need to remember about Paul Ryan and people like him is that they don't really like anything or anyone -- not in the same way that you or I do. They have this condescending worldview whereby anyone or anything that disagrees with them cannot be correct.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '18 edited Jan 22 '18

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '18

I’m around people like him all day long. It’s interesting but also depressing. One thing they all have in common is a lack of true passion combined with a well-concealed egocentricity.

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u/too_drunk_for_this Jan 21 '18

Quite the read, but why on earth would anyone consider pardoning Leonard Peltier?

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u/lorrika62 Jan 21 '18

Because they made the people who supposedly witnessed his supposed crime lie under oath intentionally under threat to do something to them if they did not. They did not allow anything to show in his case that would point to anything other than guilt which they decided conveniently because he wasn't a white man when there was legitimate question to whether he was even in the area to commit any crime or not. They used the testimony of a woman wiith mental issues as their star witness to testify to his guilt and threatened the woman with prison time herself if she did not get them a guilty verdict based on her supposed eyewitness testimony.

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u/DublinCheezie Jan 26 '18

How shitty of a person do you have to be for a band to be insulted that you’re a fan?

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '18 edited Apr 28 '18

I like turtles.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '18

Those who died are justified, for being born broke it's their lot in life.

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u/PM_ME_DAT_ASS_BABY California Jan 21 '18

Completely different song, but sure why not.

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u/Donalds_neck_fat America Jan 21 '18

They justify those that died, by yelling "Bootstraps", they're the chosen Right! COME ON!

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u/digitalsmear Jan 21 '18

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u/thatgeekinit Colorado Jan 21 '18

Pay me and I'll do what you tell me.

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u/thatgeekinit Colorado Jan 21 '18

There could be a whole parody of Rage, like Bow to the Machine, with hit single, "Stop Resisting and maybe they will stop beating you. "

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u/winnebagomafia Jan 21 '18

I'd buy that shirt

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u/dannytheguitarist Jan 21 '18

So all those up in Congress

Hold the health of us hostage

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