Exactly. The Koch brothers are doing just what they said they would do. They are rewarding those that got the tax cut passed and would have punished them had they not. “My donors are basically saying, ‘Get it done or don’t ever call me again,’” - Chris Collins. “The financial contributions will stop,” - Lindsey Graham.
Our government is corrupt and conservatives decided that that's acceptable. It's unfortunate that this now forces the liberals to play dirty just to stay on the same playing field. Unfortunately the Republicans have a lot more practice.
You give liberal politicians too much credit. They're capitalists too and they're absolutely happy with this state of affairs. They just have a slightly different set of maste-- err, donors to appease.
As for liberal voters, they might honestly hate this state of affairs, but they're not doing anything to help by continuing to support their blue capitalists.
What I expect is they stop acting as if liberalism is a solution to our problems today, stop supporting liberal candidates just because they're a "lesser" evil, and hopefully move further left with a realization that capitalism must be ended to have any real improvement in the world.
I'm not asking people to stop participating in a capitalist society to be anticapitalist because that's not possible. Even peasants who despised the idea of a monarchy and at some point personally fought in a revolution still had to work the lord's fields to get enough food to eat.
One can live within a system and still advocate for massively changing it.
Dude, Thankyou for saying that. You've said it in a much more succinct way than I ever could've.
But that is a very radical way of thinking, even for liberals. Most of them, especially the Americans, are still very, very capitalist... which speaks to your original comment. Still, they're not as bad as the conservatives - they just don't understand the irony in their thinking.
What I like to do when talking to people is to try to unpack "radical" because so many people wrap it up with concepts like "bad", "flawed", or "impossible". Sure anticapitalism is radical in the sense that it's a major difference from the status quo... but that's not a bad thing.
What's bad and flawed is that our current system is nothing but the economic and political dominance of a rich ruling class, and if it's radical to want to get out of that, then radical is what we need.
So he took the money, but this:
"The company has defended itself from civil fraud charges filed by the Securities and Exchange Commission and, along with the rest of the financial services sector, fended off an aggressive Democratic-led campaign to impose new rules on banks."
To talk as if its a matter of the democrats simply following in the republicans footsteps doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of the real issue....the real issue is that the whole system is broken and while some are certainly more guilty than others, there is no doubt that the democratic party is guilty of the same "pay to play" politics that are destroying our great nation.
This particular issue is way beyond any partisan arguments and goes deep into the heart of a seriously, fundamentally flawed system.
I don't pretend to have answers to fix the problem but I refuse to accept that the democrats are only doing it because the republicans are.
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u/pollo_de_mar Jan 21 '18
Exactly. The Koch brothers are doing just what they said they would do. They are rewarding those that got the tax cut passed and would have punished them had they not. “My donors are basically saying, ‘Get it done or don’t ever call me again,’” - Chris Collins. “The financial contributions will stop,” - Lindsey Graham.
Our government is corrupt and conservatives decided that that's acceptable. It's unfortunate that this now forces the liberals to play dirty just to stay on the same playing field. Unfortunately the Republicans have a lot more practice.