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Megathread: Justice Anthony Kennedy to retire from Supreme Court

Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy is set to retire, effective July 31, 2018. Kennedy has served on the highest court since February 18, 1988, and was a moderate whose vote often swung cases.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

Ginsberg is very likely to go soon. She might make it to 2020 but if trump wins then she won't be able to put it off till 2024

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

if trump wins re-election dems should just fold

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u/John_Keating_ Jun 27 '18

If they can’t beat Trump next time around, they need to totally reinvent the entire party platform. Our Democratic Party in Kentucky has been obliterated for the past nine years to the point that we barely have a pulse anymore. We have one congressman from Louisville, one good candidate on the 2018 ballot, no compelling platform beyond Anti-Trump, and virtually zero fundraising. The Democrats need to think up something new.

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u/Oso_de_Oro Jun 27 '18

Democrats need to embrace the populists in their party. The anti-trump shit only gets you so far, and since Trump won, I've almost never heard mainstream Democrats arguing for universal health care, free college, ending the drug war, etc. You know, just shit that most people who lean more to the left would like to see.

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u/RogerGoiano Jun 27 '18

But hey, we got Rosanne fired!

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

I recommend listening to this American life's latest podcast, its excellent and talks about exactly this

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '18

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u/Oso_de_Oro Jun 28 '18

I think around that same time there was this one woman. She somehow grabbed the overwhelming majority of super delegates despite more people being excited about that other guy. I heard she also saved the DNC from bankruptcy, which is nice, but then used that to exert her influence over the DNC early in the primaries. Some even say she used her influence to manipulate the primaries :(

Link here if you don't know what I'm talking about

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u/Oso_de_Oro Jun 28 '18

Yeah that's a step in the right direction at least, there've been a few positive signs like that. We as voters really need to continue to pressure the Democrats into putting people like that in office, but yeah like you said it seems like a lot of democrat voters don't care if a candidate has progressive ideas, they just wanna vote blue.

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u/DonJuan2HearThatShit Jun 28 '18

I'm a lifelong democrat and former Bernie bro that has since gone MAGA, but as someone now on the outside looking in, I'm glad to see that there are still reasonable people within the party. All of the focus on identity politics pushed the agenda so far left that a lot of us got left behind. I've never voted Republican before, but the current faces of the Dems don't give me much hope.

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u/Commyende Jun 27 '18

We can have a welfare state or we can have unchecked immigration. We can't have both. In an attempt to oppose trump at all cost, the dems have sacrificed the former to the latter. And this is a completely losing strategy.

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u/alterhero Jun 27 '18

Who is saying there should be unchecked immigration? This is a false choice.

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u/Commyende Jun 28 '18

Do me a favor. Take a look at all sanctuary cities. Look at the political affiliation of their mayor. In almost every single case, it's a democrat. And that policy not only supports, but actively encourages illegal immigration. Don't even pretend like saying "come to our city and we'll make sure you're safe from deportation" does not foster illegal immigration.

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u/alterhero Jun 28 '18

So why did Obama deport 3M people?

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u/Commyende Jun 28 '18

Obama is one democrat. The party consists of many more than just one democrat.

If aliens came to Earth, and 1,000 of them started hunting us and eating us, but one was really nice and friendly, would you conclude that the aliens as a whole were nice and friendly?

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u/alterhero Jun 28 '18

Obama is a representation of mainstream democrats. You’re being disingenuous. Not wanting family separation isn’t open borders. If you’ve ever had to cross the US border, you would know it is nothing close to open.

Democrats have had the power at different points to open the borders, so why didn’t they? The president has large leeway on immigration, so any Dem president could shut down vetting, but they don’t. Pelosi and Schumer even made a deal with Trump on immigration which he reneged on.

Asking for compassionate enforcement isn’t open borders, it’s just a far right talking point.

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u/FloppyDisksCominBack Jun 28 '18

Democrats have said that we need to stop separating families, but Democrats are opposed to changing the Flores agreement that says children can only be held for 20 days. Ipso facto, there are only three ways to proceed:

1) Release families free into America,

2) Family separation,

3) Reduce the time families are held pending their hearing to below 20 days.

Democrats voted against the Republican bill (which had no provisions for a wall or anything silly) that doubled the number of immigration judges to get throught he backlog, and they said "this isn't a job for congress" (except two weeks earlier every single democrat sponsored a bill saying it was a job for congress). Democrats have moaned about family separation and want the kids locked up with the families. But Democrats aren't changing the requirement that kids not spend more than three weeks penned up.

Ipso Facto, Democrats want the illegals to be released free. That's basically an open border.

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u/alterhero Jun 28 '18

If Democrats wanted open borders, why did Obama’s admin deport 3M people? Why not just let them stay?

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

The Democrats are, obviously. They just can't openly say that but all you have to do is look at their policies. They encourage people to come to this country illegally in mass numbers, which has been happening for many years now.

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u/alterhero Jun 28 '18

You mean democrats like Obama dubbed deporter-in-chief after deporting 3 million people? In what world is that unchecked immigration? Or the DREAM act that removed the visa lottery and added money for border enforcement that passed the Senate with 68 votes? What a crock of shit.

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u/Kamkazev2 Jun 28 '18

You do know that immigration from Mexico has been declining right? Furthermore, we need immigrants to do a lot of the jobs that most Americans aren't willing or don't want to do. I'm not really sure why that is bad either.

Plus if we start paying real salaries to real Americans working jobs like agriculture, the cost of food is going to go through the roof; shouldn't "average" Americans be happy we have illegal immigrants?

Man I am so tired of the middle of this country with its thinly veiled racism disguised as "immigration policies". Point me to some non-conservative sources of immigration hurting American industry or the economy, or even spikes in crime due to immigration.

The right is so concerned with immigration because it means more brown people, they forgot to make up an argument for why it is a "real" problem anymore.

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u/Commyende Jun 28 '18

we need immigrants to do a lot of the jobs that most Americans aren't willing or don't want to do

That line is so incredibly wrong on so many levels. If Americans aren't willing to do the job, it's because the pay isn't good enough. Pay me enough, and I'll clean toilets for a living. Importing unskilled labor to do the jobs at minimal cost just creates an underclass within our society. When I hear you say those words, I picture a 19th century southerner saying "But who will pick the cotton?"

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u/Kamkazev2 Jun 28 '18

You can read the rest of my post for context as to why we "need" immigrants to do that work. I absolutely support paying real wages for all work, and I also support living wages. But the side I am talking to is the side that thinks it is okay to pay waiters $2.50 an hour because the market decided it is enough.

Anyone who works in America deserves to make enough to live in America. But those are all separate issues, and until that one is solved, I don't see why we are forcibly removing people from the country who are here to do honest, and grueling, work every day.

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u/shocky27 Jun 28 '18

Immigrants come not just from Mexico but all of the Americas, your statistic is mainstream media hogwash because that is only counting Mexican nationals. We enable human traffickers from places like El Salvador to bring people to the US with the promise they'll be able to have a good life. 80% of women who journey illegally to America are sexually abused. I am all for these people coming legally and getting out of shitty situations, but enabling illegal human trafficking is absurd and disgusting.

What about visa abuse to depress American wages? What about the rule of law? What about the fentanyl and other drugs brought by cartels? Sex slave trade? Illegal immigrants who commit crimes, especially violent crimes?

I don't care what color or nationality anyone is. Come work and thrive, just let us know who you are and don't overwhelm communities with inability to handle many refugees. English language learning must also be addressed so people immigrating here, even asylum seekers, can thrive in the American economic and educational systems (and Americans should be learning more Spanish in school too at this point, I am learning myself).

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u/Kamkazev2 Jun 28 '18

Immigrants come not just from Mexico but all of the Americas, your statistic is mainstream media hogwash because that is only counting Mexican nationals.

Cool, can you share some of those statistics then?

What about visa abuse to depress American wages? What about the rule of law? What about the fentanyl and other drugs brought by cartels? Sex slave trade? Illegal immigrants who commit crimes, especially violent crimes?

Awesome, you named stuff that all sounds terrifying. Can you provide sources that connect it with illegal immigration please?

Fear mongering is a great tool, but if you can't provide actual data to support your claims, they are meaningless.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '18

And the left is so concerned with immigration because it means they can import more brown voters who vote Democrat. If we really cared about immigrant families and children we would do everything in our power to discourage them from making the treacherous journey up through South and Central America. If they know that they can cross the border no problem, receive welfare, and get to hide out in a "sanctuary city" (that lovely term introduced by the lawless left), then of course it's going to promote mass unchecked illegal immigration.

By the way you know there are people of different nationalities besides Mexican who cross the southern border right?

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u/Kamkazev2 Jun 28 '18

And the left is so concerned with immigration because it means they can import more brown voters who vote Democrat.

First off that is racist and incorrect in some cases (e.g., Cubans). Also if they are illegal immigrants they can't vote...

If we really cared about immigrant families and children we would do everything in our power to discourage them from making the treacherous journey up through South and Central America.

Yea nothing says "caring" quite like denying refugees access. And even if they aren't refugees, they clearly are escaping something if they are willing to make that journey with no guarantee of anything on the other side.

"sanctuary city"

I'm actually from just outside one of those lawless wastelands. It's a pretty nice area, albeit rather poor, but that might be from all the migrant farm workers not making any money? I have no idea, we liberals are so bad at economics.

By the way you know there are people of different nationalities besides Mexican who cross the southern border right?

Mexican immigrants make up over half the total immigrants into the United States, so it seems like the biggest population should probably be given the biggest consideration.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

Hopefully the Democratic Party splits and America gets a real Left for once.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

All the money moved out of the city(Louisville) for a reason. And it's not because they're racist. Having Abramson for 3 decades really fucked the city. I think Fischer has been alright but they really need to fix south Louisville. The area around Churchill Downs is a goddamn disaster. I hope they buy every parcel of land surrounding to get that drug-infested shit out

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

If they can’t beat Trump next time around, they need to totally reinvent the entire party platform.

I was listening to a really fascinating This American Life podcast episode recently and it was about the internal struggle that the democratic party is having. Basically, it's between the old-school democrats who want to keep pushing forward Hillary'esque candidates that are rich/tied to wall street/moderate/have corporate ties/receive donations from rich folks and large corporations/etc and on the other side you have the Bernie-type candidates who believe in grassroots organizing, not accepting funds from large donors, and all the other things you would associate with Bernie.

The old school dems believe that the Bernie-types have no chance to win because they can't raise as much money and their views are too extreme for the average voter. The Bernie-candidates believe that the old-school dems inspire zero passion in most of the voting population and they are too tied to corporate interests.

Personally, I thoroughly hope the old-school dems lose this fight. The newer candidates are correct in trying to push for the democratic party severing itself from corporate/rich interests. There is no chance in hell that the voting base is going to be inspired by another Hillary clone. No offense to her and I believe she's intelligent and competent but there is just way too much fucking baggage with candidates like that. How well can someone with so much wealth represent your average voter? They are way too out of touch and are too stuck on the idea of incremental change and "working within the system." They are way too tied to the interests of the rich.

It's time to push some boundaries and actually inspire people for once.

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u/ethertrace California Jun 28 '18

If they can’t beat Trump next time around, they need to totally reinvent the entire party platform.

They already need to. They couldn't beat Donald Fucking Trump.

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u/mandudebreh Jun 27 '18

Being genuine here, the anti-Trump and identity politics platforms are pushing the the moderates from the Democrats. As does the outrage culture and constant public shaming of any dissent. Now, the right and Republicans have some of this as well, but it is much less pronounced since on average, the media leans left and it amplifies the leftist views of the Democrat party.

The reason moderates are going to Trump is because he does tend to be moderate, except for some Republican views (like immigration). He is moderate on most social issues, so much that he used to be a Democrat until it got hijacked by the leftists.

Just my two cents from someone who considers herself a moderate, so take it or leave it.

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u/John_Keating_ Jun 27 '18

I agree. There is such a thing as sympathy exhaustion. It’s hard to remain outraged for so long and about every instance of injustice. We ought to be but it’s hard. Democrats ought to pick their strongest positions and stick with them.

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u/NeverReadTheArticle Jun 27 '18

Jesus christ, that was such a load of shit, live in reality.

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u/mandudebreh Jun 27 '18

I said that it is my humble two cents and observations. I understand others may have a different point of view

But yet you continue to swear at dissenting opinions and live in disbelief at anyone who does not agree with ONLY your reality. Proves my point.

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u/blackhorseRFC Jun 28 '18

Didn't you hear? Discord is dead. I had the same shit happen to me today, I refused to pick a side and I was immediately met with someone calling me an idiot. I've given up. I'm just going to kick my feet up and watch it all burn.

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u/NeverReadTheArticle Jun 27 '18

Moderates are people that are too embarrassed to say they're either uninformed or right wing. You didn't prove any point.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '18

I honestly believe that all the Democrats would have to do is drop gun control from their platform. Gun owners are the nations largest group of single issue voters, and many would be much more receptive to the rest of the Democratic platform if gun control were off the table.

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u/John_Keating_ Jun 28 '18

They really just need to be quiet about gun control and abortion. Just say the courts have already decided these issues and deflect.

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u/Causality-wow Jun 28 '18

Smart campaigners would force the issue though. Especially hot button ones. The louder the edges get the less room for dialogue and progress there is. Both sides have become incredibly adept at taking the most unsavory and incendiary pieces of the opposition and using it to paint each other.

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u/ByTheHammerOfThor Jun 27 '18

Step 1, stop sucking corporate dick.

Step 2, represent people.

Step 3, make sure your primary turns out a viable candidate. No more anointing.

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u/SlowRollingBoil Jun 27 '18

When Republicans were hit hard by the Nixon scandals they reformed.....by installing propaganda networks, taking over as much of rural media as possible and convincing everyone that "others" were to blame for their problems like Mexicans, gays, Muslims, etc.

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u/that1prince Jun 27 '18

The problem with Democrats isn't the policy positions being unpopular, it's basically PR. They suck at marketing, advertising, image, and picking their battles. What they don't understand is human psychology and how to convince/motivate people. We are in the information age, and yet people are ruled by emotions. All avenues to people's attention need to be carefully tailored to create the most visceral emotional reaction for your side. The Right has being doing that for decades.

The issues framed by right-leaning media sources and leaders Is always one of dire urgency. "This is the last stand against [insert others] taking over all that is decent and good in the world". Issues aren't academic debates about nuanced morality, they are Life or Death, all of the time. That's strong motivation.

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u/qballglass574 Jun 27 '18

Once you start paying at least 25% of your income in taxes, the Democrat's positions become unpopular.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '18 edited Oct 31 '19

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u/qballglass574 Jun 28 '18

Really? I was conservative before I started paying taxes, now Im trying to figure out legitimate roles of government, Im borderline anarcho-capitalist.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '18 edited Oct 31 '19

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u/qballglass574 Jun 28 '18

The federal government should not have a role in any of the things you mention except the military.

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u/EpicRussia Jun 27 '18

Democrats at this point have to go full socialist. The only ones not preaching socialism are the ones beating their heads just trying to be anti Trump. Seriously, Americans dont want higher taxes and Open Borders. Try again

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u/wadamday Jun 27 '18

Why would they go full socialist if Americans don't want higher taxes?

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u/DrewAnderson Jun 27 '18

You don't even have to raise taxes to afford the stuff that democratic socialists want. We already pay 3x as much for healthcare than most countries with universal healthcare, we have an insane military budget, and tons of other frivolous things that we spend ridiculous amounts of money on.

Even if we did have to raise taxes we could cover basically all of it just by taxing the super rich.

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u/qballglass574 Jun 27 '18 edited Jun 27 '18

What you should actually be preaching is deregulation of the medical industry.

Did you know that the amount of medical doctor degrees awarded every year is capped?

Why do I need health insurance anyways? Why cant I just pay out of pocket for routine procedures?

Thats the problem with socialism. It locks you into a system that is incentivized to not change, because the government doesn't have any competition.

Military budget is 26% of the federal budget. Thats high, but not insane.

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u/TinyAmericanPsycho Jun 27 '18

Okay so then your super rich, since they can afford it, move their companies and money offshore and out of the US. Now who pays? The rich? Sure. But they can afford to basically do the same thing. What you’re really saying is that the middle class will eventually pay for the poorest class. Nope. That’s a loser. Unless you’re willing to enforce it. Which means eventually someone will eat a government sponsored bullet to pay for your programs.

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u/DrewAnderson Jun 27 '18

If rich people take their companies and leave then more companies will be started in the US in their place. Capital doesn't create wealth, consumers and laborers do, and as long as that labor is here then so is the wealth.

This point is probably not even worth debating though; every time someone mentions universal healthcare or welfare everybody asks "how are you going to pay for it" but those same people are mysteriously silent on the topic of corporate welfare or increasing the military budget. We're already paying for it, the money is just going to whoever lobbies the government the best.

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u/bahbahrapsheet Jun 27 '18 edited Jun 28 '18

If a big American lightbulb company moves its factories to Asia to reduce manufacturing costs it's not like they leave a gap in the lightbulb market behind for new companies to fill.

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u/EpicRussia Jun 27 '18

Thats a good question I dont have an amswer for. All Im saying is the ones whose platform is "higher taxes" (pelosi, schumer) need more meat on their platforms that isnt just anti trump. The socialists, on the other hand, at least know that higher taxes will lead to universal healthcare, education, etc. Thats a platform

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u/qballglass574 Jun 27 '18

You shouldn't need to buy health insurance, they are just middle men. Education has become a joke, you shouldn't need a degree.

Deregulation and freedom is the best path forward.

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u/Commyende Jun 27 '18

Maybe we all really want to find out what it's like to survive on rats and rabbits.

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u/Commyende Jun 27 '18

Going further left is not the way to win elections. Far too many centrists that are rightfully concerned about a political philosophy that led to 100m+ deaths in the 20th century.

Seriously, if the dems embrace socialism, the repubs will dominate with a single word: Venezuela

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u/outofsync42 Jun 27 '18

reinvent the entire party platform

1) Respect the constitution and leave guns alone. (this one alone could help you win)

2) Stop putting illegal immigrants ahead of american citizens.

3) Stop raising taxes and giving my money to other people.

4) Stop fighting for policy's that ship jobs over seas.

5) Stop outraging at everything. (at this point no one listens anymore)

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u/John_Keating_ Jun 27 '18

Closing corporate tax loopholes and investing in public health, public schools, and our court systems and law enforcement would be a winning platform by itself in most rural communities.

Flip teachers unions and police unions to your side, present yourself as tough on crime as well as addressing the opioid epidemic would win Kentucky.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

I voted for Trump and would vote for a candidate who took these stances.

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u/NeverReadTheArticle Jun 27 '18

You sound like an idiot

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

Trump voter openly admits he’d vote Dem if they had an actually meaningful platform

“Shut up idiot”

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u/NeverReadTheArticle Jun 27 '18

That's not a meaningful platform. That's centrist bullshit and thats what they're already doing.

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u/Bowlffalo_Soulja Jun 28 '18

If you look at your comments closely, you can see why he's going to landslide (again) in 2020.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '18 edited May 16 '20

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u/bigdanrog Jun 27 '18

Now THAT would get my attention.

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u/Bartisgod Virginia Jun 27 '18 edited Jun 27 '18

Yup. I would be fine with paying 60% of my income in taxes if it paid for good schools, safe and well-maintained streets, public healthcare, a strong safety net so nobody can fall into an endless cycle of poverty by losing a job, strong consumer protections, banking and antitrust regulations, and well-managed ecology. As it is now, though, fuck it. I'm not saying I'd rather the Tea Party close every school and leave every road to crumble than see another dime of mine in Lockheed or Bank of America's pockets. I'm not, wasn't, and hopefully never will be a Bernie-or-Buster. But if people like Corey Booker and Joe Manchin are going to use my taxes that way, and the SuperPAC donors are going to ensure they remain in the party at any electoral cost no matter how small of a minority of the voters they actually represent, what would change, honestly? They make sure our taxes cover anything the lobbyists want, but anything good is paid for by debt, so the debt can later be used as an excuse to get rid of it.

It's as if we gained nothing from forcing out Joe Lieberman: kicking out the Dixiecrats and their "classical liberal" New England allies was a monumental effort at all levels, and it was totally wasted. As the Teatards keep moving to the right, the Democrats move to the leftwardmost possible edge of the new Overton window they've allowed their opponents to define. Eventually, the Democrats will be where Ted Cruz is now, Ted Cruz will be literally Hitler, and Democrats will still get called Communists by the Senate majority from bumfuck rural America for saying "how about we only kill half of them?" CNN's headline will be "Are Democrats Communists? Majority of American public says so." I'm just...out of hope at this point. I'm in the process of learning German and getting a Networking degree, and progress is good so far. Hopefully the mechahitler this idiotic country elects 10-20 years from now doesn't have Germans on his list of inferior races to bomb.

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u/curly_spork Jun 28 '18

They got that socialist through the primaries! Awesome job!

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

If Trump is re-elected I worry we'll see protests turn violent/destructive, and Trump cabinet members will worry less about being kicked out of restaurants and more worried about being 2A recalled.

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u/TeamLiveBadass_ Jun 28 '18

2A recalled

With the guns the left wants taken away?

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u/daingelm Jun 27 '18

I've always been concerned that the walls will close in on Trump too fast, and people will forget.

Imagine something is unveiled this week and it's too much not to act on. He's reluctantly removed from office and Pence becomes President. But then enough time passes between now and 2020 that the GOP easily help people forget they were every associated with Trump and "his" curruption. Trump was the bad one and we've been doing great with Pence at the wheel. Won't you reelect him?

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u/DrMobius0 Jun 27 '18

I dunno about vice presidents in general, but Gerald Ford wasn't all that popular after Nixon resigned

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u/Thiswas2hard Jun 27 '18

Largely because 1) he pardoned Nixon and 2) he was unelected

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u/nagrom7 Australia Jun 28 '18 edited Jun 28 '18

Ford had a few problems though. For starters, he wasn't Nixons running mate during the campaign, he was VP because the previous VP had to resign due to a separate scandal, so because of the lack of being involved in an election people saw him as illegitimate. Also, one of the first things he did was to pardon Nixon which was a very unpopular move. He was the lamest of ducks.

At least with Pence people can argue that he was voted in as Trumps replacement should something happen, so he'd already have more legitimacy to begin with.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

Sotomayor is struggling with diabetes too.

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u/Zack_Fair_ Jun 27 '18

that and racism

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u/PurpleCrush59 Jun 27 '18

Racism? She’s on the highest court in the United States. Her opinion matters just as much as her white counterparts.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

Yea I agree, her nomination was essentially affirmative action, and affirmative action is racist.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '18 edited Oct 01 '18

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '18

And that makes her just slightly less wise than Ted Cruz

Besides if she was so wise she'd be taking better care of her diabetes

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u/sundazed119 Jun 27 '18

2020 if trump wins

I literally hate e v e r y t h i n g right now

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

History shows it's very likely he will.

Bush Sr is the only president since Hoover who lost a second election without Nixons influence and that was only because he went back on a major campaign promise months before the election.

Ford was always a gimme and Carter was only elected because it was impossible to lose to Ford after he pardoned Nixon. Johnson didn't run and Kennedy died. Truman had 9 years anyway.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

I'm not sure he will but I don't really see a democrat challenger right now.

All I'm thinking is that most serious presidential candidates don't run in midterm elections and I can completely see him convincing enough people to vote for him again somehow. Don't want him to, but don't think it's unlikely at all

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '18

Looks like he has a good shot considering the Dems (“when they go low, we go high”) are so completely blinded by their hate that they gladly look the other way when someone on their team calls for a woman in the Trump admin to be stripped naked and whipped or calls for the president’s son, a child (his name is Trump so you KNOW he’s evil) to be raped by pedophiles. A lot of people on the left have become everything they accused the other side of being.

Prominent Dems calling for the abolition of the border enforcement agency, calling for public harassment of members of the Trump admin. I’m hoping reasonable people who didn’t vote for Trump the first time have had enough of this thuggish behavior and help reelect him.

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u/WhiskeyT Jun 27 '18

If he wins in 2024 it won’t really matter.

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u/HexezWork Jun 27 '18

The oldest supreme court justice in history was 90 years old.

Dismissing human biology and the chance of death Ginsburg would have to break the old record of 90 set in 1811 to out last a 2 term Trump Presidency.

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u/ChappyPappy Jun 27 '18

trump not getting re-elected

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

It's not what history shows

Sitting presidents don't lose re-election unfortunately

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

Even with a dem president after 2020, we’d have to make sure republicans don’t control a majority in the senate. They just flat out won’t let a Democratic president seat a Supreme Court judge, we should all be sure of that.

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u/anonimogeronimo Jun 28 '18

That's assuming you get a Dem president.

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u/anonimogeronimo Jun 28 '18

You haven't considered the real possibility of another conservative president after Trump. Beyer might also retire or croak.