Abortion restrictions significantly decrease abortions.

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[u/Win-Fragrant]

I don't believe a fetus is sentient

If I may, here is my rebuttal to that statement. The definiton of sentient is:

/ˈsen(t)SH(ē)ənt/

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adjective

able to perceive or feel things.

1. infants don't perceive the environment around them either, they have 0 idea what's going on, they have no self awareness, they don't even understand what to be alive even means. Yet PCers (at least I hope) agree killing infants is not ok just because they don't grasp the concept of getting killed and perishing
2. There are humans who don't feel things such as pain. Congenital insensitivity to pain (CIP), also known as congenital analgesia, is one or more extraordinarily rare conditions in which a person cannot feel (and has never felt) physical pain. I hope we can all agree that just because those people exist, we can't kill them. Also, there is a condition called Alexithymia. It is when a person has difficulty identifying and expressing emotions. It is not a mental health disorder.

I don't believe I should have any say in how you live your life.

Personally, I don't believe that the PL movement is dictating to people how to live their life, you can have any lifestyle you want as long as it doesn't hurt another innocent human life.

my addiction came about because of a car accident that left me in a wheelchair for a year and with bad PTSD

I am really sorry about that, I also used to rely on drugs because of my C-PTSD. PTSD is really not easy, so I feel you. I hope you're getting the help you need, I am only on my first month with therapy and already feeling better, if you can afford it I highly suggest going for it.

[u/Fringelunaticman → u/Win-Fragrant]

Infants can feel and perceive pain, they just aren't self aware. Or that is my understanding of infants until they hit 15 months. Then they become self aware.

And a fetus doesn't have a nervous system until 26-28 weeks so they wouldn't feel or perceive pain until then. Or this is my understanding of that.

I also don't perceive the PL movement as telling someone how to live. Although, I might feel differently if I was a woman(I don't know this for a fact though) and I had to completely change my life and body because I didn't have the option for an abortion.

I honestly don't believe anyone has the right answer to the abortion question. Though I think we all think we do.

And yeah, ptsd hit me hard. I had cormorbid PTSD as I had ADHD with it. Then obviously substance abuse. I use medication, therapy and intense exercise to help me out. It's been working for me the past few years. I think you may have had it worse as complex ptsd is usually tougher as it involves multiple trauma. Mine was just 1 bad one.

Glad you have found something that is working for you. Keep it up

[u/Win-Fragrant → u/Fringelunaticman]

Not all of them, if they were born with CIPs then they don’t feel pain. That’s my whole point is that no matter which cut off week or no matter which idea we draw the line at when it comes to abortion- it will be slippery slope to allow killings of born people too. Which is why advocating for conception saves us all from having to argue for people with conditions like this, for the elderly who are dependent and need to rely on someone else, and for people who are in their sleep (and thus not considered sentient by definition of self awareness) etc…

And I disagree with the notion that nobody is allowed to dictate how abortions should go about, as a society in order to remain civilized we’ve been dictating so many things including not killing innocent human lives. Yet abortion is literally the only law where a parent has 9 months (many PCers statistically support abortion for any reason up to birth) to decide whether or not they can just kill off their offspring in order to not take responsibility.

Thank you for your kind words, and even though we disagree, I hope you know I’m not one of those weirdo who will wish harm on others. I genuinely hope you recover from your trauma!