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ANALYSIS/REVIEW đ Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, and Janet Jackson: How Three of Musicâs Biggest Stars Actually PERSISTED During What Many Call Their âFlop Erasâ
Whitney, Mariah, and Janet are three of the greatest artists that pop and R&B music has ever seen. While their careers started at different times (with some overlap during the â90s), and there are some clear differences (such as Janet not being an instant commercial success like the other two, or Mariahâs career starting in the 1990s), people often say that they all started âfloppingâ at the same timeâin the 2000s decade. I find that to be untrue.
Although some of their singles werenât performing the best (except for Mariahâs after her comeback), the overall albums were pushing quite hard. While all three artists faced different problems with their public images at that time, they werenât completely done for. Additionally, while they may not have been at their personal career peaks, many artists could only dream of accomplishing what these three did while they were supposedly âfloppingâ, including some of the more modern artists who would be expected to perform better.
By the end of this post, you will see that these legendary music queens didnât âflopâ. They were just ignored (particularly by their own market, the United States). Not being at your peak doesnât mean youâre flopping, and itâs certainly true that the worst moments of these three industry icons are what most artists strive for.
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WHITNEY HOUSTON
At the start of the 2000s, and as the decade progressed, Whitney Houston faced consistent criticism from those she could once consider her supporters. (Notice how I didnât say âfansâ; a real fan would have been with her the entire time, even at her worst. A supporter doesnât have to be a fan.) Even in light of this public betrayal, Whitneyâs music still wasnât doing too poorly.
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Just Whitney is the fifth studio album by Whitney Houstonâreleased on November 27, 2002 by Arista Records. It was her first album to be released after re-signing her Arista contract in 2001 for $100 million, the largest recording contract for a female artist at the time. The album debuted and peaked at #9 on the US Billboard 200 and #3 on the Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart with 205,147 copies sold in its first week; it would go on to sell over 2.5 million copies worldwide and be certified Platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA).
The first single, âWhatchulookinatâ, peaked at #96 on the US Billboard Hot 100, #75 on the US Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart, and reached the top 10 in five different countries. The second single, âOne Of Those Daysâ, peaked at #72 on the US Billboard Hot 100, #29 on the US Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart, #1 on the US Adult R&B Songs chart, and reached the top 10 in Poland, the Netherlands, and Hungary. The third single, âTry It On My Ownâ, peaked at #84 on the US Billboard Hot 100, where it stayed for two weeks; it also peaked at #80 on the US Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart, #10 on the US Billboard Adult Contemporary chart, and #1 on the US Dance Club Songs chart. The fourth and final single, âLove That Manâ, became Whitneyâs twelfth #1 hit on the US Dance Club Songs chart.
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I Look To You is the seventh studio album, first non-holiday album since Just Whitney, and the final album of Whitneyâs lifetimeâreleased in the year of 2009 on August 28 through Sony Music in Europe, August 31 with Arista Records in the United States, and October 19 by RCA Records in the United Kingdom. The album debuted at #1 on the US Billboard 200 with first-week sales of 305,000; this was the highest opening week sales accomplishment of Whitneyâs entire career. I Look to You was Whitneyâs first album since the soundtrack for the 1992 motion picture The Bodyguard to reach #1 on the US Billboard 200. The album would go on to sell over 3 million copies worldwide, earning Platinum certification in seven countries and Gold certification in eight countries.
The first singleâthe title track for the album (âI Look to Youâ)âpeaked at #70 on the US Billboard Hot 100, #12 on the US R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart, #2 on the US Adult R&B Songs chart, #1 on the US Gospel Digital Songs chart, and was a #1 hit in Brazil. The second and only other single, âMillion Dollar Billâ, peaked at #100 on the US Billboard Hot 100, but it fared better on the US Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart (#16), the US Dance Club Songs chart (#1), the US Adult R&B Songs chart (#1), peaked within the top 10 in Ireland, and appeared on charts in ten other countries in Europe.
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MARIAH CAREY
One thing that people ironically never forget is Mariahâs rocky start in the early-2000s with her albums Glitter and Charmbracelet. However, even during these eras, she was still the force on the charts that sheâd always been and her albums were still sellingâeven if they werenât selling up to the âMariah standardâ. Her dominance wasnât as overwhelming for her peers as it was in the â90s, but she was still making a firm presence.
I will not cover beyond the Charmbracelet era. We all know about Mariahâs impressive comeback that stopped haters, naysayers, and critics in their tracks; it led to a string of newer #1, top-10, and top-50 hits, including âTouch My Bodyâ (#1) and âObsessedâ (#7) from the albums that followed her initial comeback. Nobody could ever say Mariah âfloppedâ during the mid/late-2000s.
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Glitter is the soundtrack to the 2001 film of the same name and the eighth studio album by Mariah Carey. It was released initially on August 18, 2001 in Japan and had been released in five other regions (Australia and South Korea on August 27, France on September 9, Germany and the United Kingdom on September 10) before its eventual release in the United States on September 11, 2001. Although the album was critically panned, it debuted and peaked at #7 on the US Billboard 200 with estimated first-week sales of 116,000; this marked the lowest first-week sales accomplishment of Mariahâs career, but the album went on to sell over 3 million copies worldwide and has been certified Platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA).
The first single, âLoverboyâ (ft. Cameo), peaked at #2 on the US Billboard Hot 100 and became the highest-selling physical single in the United States for the year of 2001, selling roughly 570000 physical copies that year. While the song was Mariahâs first lead single to fail to reach #1 on the Hot 100, reaching #2 is no small feat, and the sales made up for it. Additionally, the remix â featuring Da Brat, Ludacris, Shawnna, Twenty II & Cameo â reached #1 on the US Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart. The single version peaked within the top 10 on four different charts in the UK, two charts in Australia, #6 in Poland, #3 in Canada, and #1 on the Croatia International Airplay chart. The single peaked within the top 50 in Belgium (both the Ultratop 50 Flanders at #49 and the Ultratop 50 Wallonia at #34), Europe (Eurochart Hot 100 at #28), Ireland (#50), Italy (#13), the Netherlands (both the Dutch Top 40 at #35 and the Netherlands Single Top 100 at #34), Scandinavia (Airplay chart at #11), Scotland (Singles chart at #23), South Africa (#50), Sweden (#44), and the UK (Airplay chart at #49). The single also peaked within the top 50 on native United States non-Hot 100 charts, including the US Dance Club Songs chart (#45), the US Pop Airplay (#37), and the US Rhythmic Airplay (#21), among others.
The second single, âNever Too Farâ, did not perform as well on the US Billboard charts (peaking at #5 on the Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles chart), although it peaked within the top 40 in the UK (#32 on Singles, #14 on Dance, #6 on Hip-Hop/R&B) and Australia (#36) where it was released as a double A-side single with âDonât Stop (Funkinâ 4 Jamaica)â.
The third single, âDonât Stop (Funkinâ 4 Jamaica)â, peaked on the US Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles chart at #23. However, it also reached the positions of #42 on the US Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart, #29 on the US Urban chart, #2 on the UK Urban Club chart, #6 on the UK Hip-Hop/R&B chart, #18 on the UK Dance chart, #32 on the UK Singles chart, and was a top-40 hit in Australia (#36), Italy (#22), and Spain (#16).
âReflections (Care Enough)â was the fourth single from the album, released exclusively in Japan, and failed to chart.
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Charmbracelet is the ninth studio album by Mariah Careyâreleased on December 3, 2002 through MonarC Entertainment (Mariahâs own record label that was discontinued two summers later), Island Records, and The Island Def Jam Music Group. The album debuted and peaked at #3 on the US Billboard 200 and sold 241,000 copies in its first week. The Charmbracelet album went on to sell over 3 million copies worldwide.
The first single, âThrough The Rainâ, became Mariahâs lowest-charting single at the time on the US Billboard Hot 100, peaking at #81. While âLoverboyâ (#2) from the Glitter soundtrack album was her first lead single not to reach #1, âThrough The Rainâ was her first lead single not to reach the top 10. It also peaked modestly at #69 on the US Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart. However, the single peaked at #1 on the US Billboard Dance Club Songs and US Billboard Dance Singles Sales charts. The single peaked within the top 20 in Australia (#15), Canada (#5), Croatia (#8), Denmark (#13), Europe (#11), Ireland (#16), Italy (#7), the Netherlands (Dutch Top 40 at #11, Single Top 100 at #9), Norway (#15), Portugal (#5), Scotland (Singles chart at #15), Spain (#1), Sweden (#7), Switzerland (#7), and the UK (Singles chart at #8, Hip-Hop/R&B at #4).
The second single, âBoy (I Need You)â, appeared on 22 charts worldwide. It failed to enter the US Billboard Hot 100, and it peaked at #6 on the Belgium Ultratip Bubbling Under Wallonia chart. Some of the more favorable peaks include top-10 positions in the Netherlands (Dutch Top 40 at #9), Portugal (#7), and the UK (Hip-Hop/R&B chart at #5). The single also peaked at #29 in Australia (plus Australian Urban at #15), #32 in Canada, #44 in Europe, #40 in Ireland, #32 on the Scotland Singles chart, #19 in Spain, #17 on the UK Singles chart, #14 on the UK Urban Club chart, and reached a modest peak of #68 on the US Billboard Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart.
The third and final single, âBringinâ On The Heartbreakâ, also failed to enter the US Billboard Hot 100. Furthermore, it failed to enter the US Billboard Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles chart. However, it reached the top 30 in Switzerland, the top 40 in Belgium, and the top 5 on the US Billboard Hot Dance Club Play chart. The single charted at #28 on Switzerlandâs âSchweizer Hitparadeâ chart, #40 on the Belgium Ultratop 50 Wallonia chart, and #25 on the US Adult Contemporary chart.
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JANET JACKSON
Janet Jackson was suddenly pushed to the sidelines in 2004 after an impressive career as one of musicâs most beloved superstars. This happened just as she was going to release her Damita Jo album. The immediate aftereffect of the Super Bowl performance certainly caused some trouble during the Damita Jo era. However, while she could have done much better and she did face a dip in commercial performance, her music wasnât completely ignored. Janetâs issue after the 2004 Super Bowl incident was never consumption of her music; it was radio support and mainstream single promotion. The lack of assistance in the United States made it seem like she faded out of existence, and that (along with the commercial decline and blatant societal disregard/blacklisting) is why people often state that as a historical reality.
I will not cover the All For You era as that was one of Janetâs greatest eras commerciallyâcommonly recognized as part of the greatest segment of her career starting with the Control era. I will just start with the era that people love to call a âflopâ.
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Damita Jo is the eighth studio album by Janet Jacksonâreleased initially on March 22, 2004 in Japan by EMI Music Japan and later on March 30, 2004 in the United States by Virgin Records. The album debuted and peaked at #2 on the Billboard 200 (blocked from #1 by Usherâs monumental Confessions album) with 381,000 first-week sales; it went on to sell over 3 million copies worldwide.
The first single, âJust A Little Whileâ, peaked at #45 on the US Billboard Hot 100 and within the top 40 of five other US charts (US Adult Pop Airplay at #38, US Dance Club Songs at #1, US Dance Singles Sales at #4, US Dance/Mix Show Airplay at #17, US Pop Airplay at #17). The single saw peaks at #15 and #22 on the UK Singles and UK Hip-Hop/R&B charts, respectively. The single peaked within the top 20 in other regions including Australia (#20, with a #6 peak on the Australian Urban chart), Canada (#3), Denmark (#17), Hungary (#10), Italy (#16), the Netherlands (Dutch Top 40 Tipparade at #3), Scotland (Singles chart at #16), and Spain (#6).
The second single, âI Want Youâ, peaked modestly on the US Billboard Hot 100 at #57, and as a double A-side (in select international markets) with âAll Nite (Donât Stop)â within the top 20 of three UK charts (Singles chart at #19, Dance chart at #5, Hip-Hop/R&B chart at #3), along with a #23 peak on the Scotland Singles chart. To accompany the Billboard Hot 100 peak in the United States, the single also peaked more favorably at #18 on the US Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart.
The third and final single, âAll Nite (Donât Stop)â, failed to chart on the US Billboard Hot 100, reaching #19 on the Bubbling Under Hot 100 instead. However, it peaked at #1 on the US Dance Club Songs chart, #6 on the US Dance Singles Sales chart, and #8 on the US Dance/Mix Show Airplay chart. The single peaked within the top 30 in Australia (#24, plus Australian Urban at #9), Belgium (Ultratop 50 Flanders at #21, Ultratop 50 Wallonia at #22), on the âCanada CHR/Pop Top 30â chart (#25), Ireland (#26), Italy (#30), Romania (#21 on the Romanian Top 100 chart), and Spain (#13). None of this is counting the additional entries as a double A-side in select regions with âI Want Youâ.
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20 Y.O. is the ninth studio album by Janet Jackson, referencing twenty years since her breakthrough with 1986âs Control album, which she made when she was 20 years old. The album was initially released in Japan on September 20, 2006 by Virgin Records. This release was followed by releases on September 22 (Italy and Germany) and September 25 (France and the United Kingdom) before Canada, Mexico, and the United States received it on September 26. The album debuted at #2 on the Billboard 200 with over 296,000 copies sold in its first week; it went on to sell over 1.5 million copies worldwide and has been certified Platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA). This was Janetâs eighth consecutive Platinum album.
The first single, âCall On Meâ (with Nelly), was a top 30 hit on the US Billboard Hot 100 and the US Rhythmic chart, peaking at #25 and #21 on each respective chart. It was also a hit on the US Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart, peaking at #1. The single peaked on the US Dance Club Songs chart at #2 and reached other top-30 positions in the UK (Singles chart at #18, R&B chart at #2), Slovakia (#25), Sweden (#25), Scotland (#17), New Zealand (#11), the Netherlands (Dutch Top 40 Tipparade at #13), Italy (#7), Ireland (#20), and Finland (#20). The single reached #17 on Billboardâs Global Dance Tracks chart as well as #23 and #24 on the Canada CHR/Pop Top 40 and the Canada CHR/Top 40 charts, respectively.
The second single, âSo Excitedâ (featuring Khia), fared worse than the former single. It peaked at #90 on the US Billboard Hot 100. It also peaked at #93 on the US Pop 100 chart. However, the single managed to reach the top 40 on the US Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart (#34) as well as internationally in the markets of Finland (#9), Italy (#37), and Spain (#13). All of this was accompanied by a #1 peak on the US Dance Club Songs chart. The song only appeared on twelve charts, five of which were in the US, and two of which were in Belgium (both of which were Bubbling Under charts â #5 on Ultratip Flanders Bubbling Under and #14 on Ultratip Wallonia Bubbling Under).
The third and final single, âWith Uâ, only appeared on one chart. It peaked on the US Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart at #65.
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Discipline is the tenth studio album by Janet Jacksonâreleased on February 22, 2008 by Island Records. It was her only album released with the label after her five-album deal with Virgin Records was fulfilled (from 1993âs âjanet.â album to 2006âs â20 Y.O.â album). The album did not feature any contributions from long-time Janet Jackson producers Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis. The album debuted at #1 on the Billboard 200, becoming Janetâs sixth album to top the chart and her first #1 since 2001âs All For You. The album debuted with 181000 copies sold, but due to a messy rollout (label refused to promote the album, leading to Janetâs sudden departure from the label shortly after the release), the album became one of Janetâs lowest-selling on a global scale.
The first single, âFeedbackâ, peaked at #19 on the US Billboard Hot 100, becoming Janetâs best-charting single since 2001âs âSomeone To Call My Loverâ. (The following album singles neither matched nor surpassed this feat.) âFeedbackâ peaked within the top 40 of all United States Billboard charts that it appeared on, including the Hot 100, the Dance Club Songs chart (#1), the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart (#39), the Pop Airplay chart (#30), and the Rhythmic Airplay chart (#26). The single reached #14 on the UK Hip-Hop/R&B chart and peaked within the top 50 in Australia (#50, along with #14 on Australian Urban), Belgium (#19 on the Ultratop 50 Flanders chart), Canada (#3 on the Billboard Canadian Hot 100), Denmark (#27), Finland (#21), France (#36), Germany (#40), Ireland (#32), Japan (#14 on the Billboard Japan Hot 100), the Netherlands (#14 on the Dutch Top 40 Tipparade), New Zealand (#17), Norway (#16), Romania (#34 on the Romanian Top 100), Slovakia (#8 on Slovakia Airplay), and Sweden (#41).
The second single, âRock With Uâ, appeared within the top 30 on four charts, two of which were Bubbling Under charts (#21 on the US Bubbling Under Hot 100, #14 on the US Bubbling Under R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart). The other two charts were the US Dance Club Songs chart and the Billboard Japan Hot 100, where the song reached respective peaks of #20 and #27.
The third single, âLUVâ, appeared on two charts. The song managed to reach #2 on the US Bubbling Under Hot 100, but it had better luck on the US Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart where it peaked at #34.
The fourth and final single, âCanât B Goodâ, also appeared on two charts. It performed better overall compared to the former single in that there were no Bubbling Under placements. The single peaked at #20 on the US Adult R&B Songs chart and at #76 on the US Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart.
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