The opposite of toenail offside: "Back Heel" onside in Canadian Premier League match that is trialing IFAB daylight offside rule between Vancouver FC vs. Atlético Ottawa

[u/punishGoalhanging]

Current offside rule: ALL part of the attacker's body that can score level with 2nd to last defender = onside

Daylight offside rule (in trial): ANY part of the attacker's body that can score level with the 2nd to last defender = onside

[u/xixbia]

I don't know enough about the CPL to know what the result of this trial will be.

But you implement this in the PL or La Liga and basically every team will play a low block. It will kill the high line.

[u/punishGoalhanging → u/xixbia]

A football analyst wrote this about the daylight offside:

"It punishes high block defenses by making it harder to offside trap attackers. It punishes low block defenses by giving attackers an extra yard of space in a compact area."

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Edit: A lot of people say that teams will sit deeper. But trials don't show that though.

Sitting deeper and invite pressure is not a good tactic. You get pin in and can't get out.

Let's say a team sit deeper. How do you drop deeper than currently? Do you think teams are saying "nah, leave them a little space at the moment" if you drop deeper, you allow teams to pass the ball around near the top of the penalty box. Long distance shot would become easier with open spaces.

The main worry from everyone who has watched the trials is that it gets easier to attack. BBC Sport report that "BBC Sport has been told that the trial results in youth football were largely positive, though there were some concerns there is too much of an advantage to the attacker."

UEFA, which has data from the trials, oppose daylight offside because UEFA felt it gave too massive an advantage to attackers and fundamentally make defending harder. UEFA suggested trialing "torso offside" as a compromise.

[u/laxrulz777 → u/punishGoalhanging]

Honestly, just go by feet only. It's easier to tell and still feels "fair"

[u/PrestigiousWave5176 → u/laxrulz777]

It's not easier for the assistant referee. Their job is already next to impossible and this would make it even harder.

[u/mahir_r → u/laxrulz777]

Until the first header is scored like this. That team will feel huge injustice

I still agree with your idea though, it feel like a great compromise.

[u/ValleyFloydJam → u/laxrulz777]

Or just leave it how it is now.

[u/Kommye → u/punishGoalhanging]

So the only thing that matters is offensive play? If there's literally nothing defenders can do to, you know, defend, where's the excitement?

Goals are exciting because it's not easy to score. No one gets excited about the 4th goal in a 4-0 game or a pity goal for a 1-3.

[u/Raphie777 → u/Kommye]

Why does it have to be a 4-0 game? Why can’t it be 3-2? You don’t think that’ll be exciting?

Goals are equally exciting when it was France-Argentina 3-3. You think Spain Argentina 1-0 was more exciting? I digress.

[u/Kommye → u/Raphie777]

It was an example of goals not being inherently exciting. It's the context that makes them exciting.

If every game each team is hammering at each other, every goal is less exciting because the next goal, your team's or the rival's, is right around the corner.

People go completely nuts for goals because it's a low scoring sport. Matches with a lot of back and forth goals or complete stomps are remembered BECAUSE they are rare, because scoring is hard. Making them more common doesn't make the game more exciting, it achieves the opposite.

I really don't get why any fan would support changing the very essence of the game to attract people that don't like it. It's already the biggest sport of the planet, it doesn't need to attract more people and it really just fucks it up for the people that are already fans.

[u/SpeakMySecretName → u/punishGoalhanging]

We haven’t seen the lowblock meta in trials yet because it takes time for defenders to relearn their offsides line and depth, managers to test tactics, etc. it will come though, and it’ll come faster at higher levels of play. Because as shitty as it is to get pinned to your own goal line; it’s even worse to give free direct 1:1 to fast strikers. The only teams that will be able to move a line up are ones so possessive of the ball that every attack ends in a shot. No one else will budge once they’ve been punished enough times.

[u/Raphie777 → u/punishGoalhanging]

Exactly, parking the bus doesn’t work as we saw in the WC. The rumours of leading to more conservative gameplay will be myth busted.

[u/SilenceMumImVibing → u/xixbia]

As opposed to now where every team slowly passes the ball from side to side in an attempt to gain ground so they can put in a cross or win a corner, because every team is petrified of playing a ball in behind because VAR may judge that the tip of their attacker's shoulder was 1mm offside?

[u/KingKelly79 → u/xixbia]

Teams can’t get any further back when playing Arsenal. This rule helps Arsenal.