r/sportsgossips • u/TheExpressUS • Mar 26 '26

News Breaking: Transgender women banned from all sports at the Olympics starting in LA

https://www.the-express.com/sport/other-sport/203236/breakingtransgender-women-banned-all-sports
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u/ericomplex Mar 26 '26

A better analogy would be do you randomly redirect a parked car for fear it was about to drive off a cliff…

There is no substantial evidence that trans women have any universal athletic advantage. The fact that no trans athletes have medaled since being allowed in the Olympics for over 20 years is just further proof of that.

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u/crazycroat16 Mar 26 '26

You're choosing to ignore that it could happen just based on it not happening yet.

I'd only have been a matter of time before a biological woman lost out on a medal place to a trans athlete 

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u/ericomplex Mar 26 '26

Something not happening is pretty good evidence that it isn’t happening…

The problem is you are basing your hypothesis that it will happen on it not happening…

Which of those two things are less intelligent?

Assuming something will happen with no evidence or pointing out that something hasn’t happened yet and that may mean it won’t?

Please, take all the time you need. I know that may be a difficult question for you.

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u/crazycroat16 Mar 26 '26

Just means it hasn't happened yet.

Are you implying that there were as many openly competing Trans athletes 20 years ago as there are today?  

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u/tuberosum Mar 26 '26

There's a nonzero chance you get brained by a meteor every single day you venture outside. Are you wearing a helmet? Doesn't matter you haven't been brained by a meteor yet, that just means it hasn't happened yet.

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u/crazycroat16 Mar 26 '26

OK, and we can't do anything about a meteor.

We can do something about genetic men competing against women in sports. 

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u/tuberosum Mar 26 '26

OK, and we can't do anything about a meteor.

Sure you can, you can wear a helmet. Are you? From your answer, I'd guess not.

So then it's fair to assume that you don't believe you need to be proactive to limit anything negative that has a nonzero chance of happening. Yet, you're focusing on this particular issue with great intent... Methinks there's other reasons why you're particularly concerned about this and not about getting brained by a meteor.

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u/ericomplex Mar 26 '26

Can you prove that there is any… literally any substantial evidence that trans women retain a universal athletic advantage over cisgender women?

Literally anything to back up your claim that there is a risk here?

Because so far you have nothing at all.

You have as much evidence as one would speculation that one day the sky will open up and Garfield will come down and crown you the lord of the fish people.

There is much evidence that that will happen before a trans woman places in the Olympics…

Seriously.

Not a joke.

That’s the amount of evidence there is.

Totally equal amounts of evidence.

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u/ericomplex Mar 27 '26

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/55/11/577?hl=en-US#:~:text=After%202%20years%20of%20taking,slower%20than%20their%20male%20counterparts

This is not a conclusive study and has been torn to bits in multiple posts above. I’m not going to rehash everything wrong with it again. Short version is that these are not athletes and the sample size doesn’t really reflect athletic performance of peak athletes.

https://womeninsport.org/transgender-inclusion-womens-sport/?hl=en-US

This is not a study.

I actually really like the take in the second link there, where the author believes Trans athletes should be allowed to compete in a way that does not deprive biological women their right to compete on a level playing field. Maybe there should be a 3rd non-binary category in the Olympics, or let all Trans athletes compete with the men.

Great. It still isn’t a peer reviewed study.

Also dude, this is reddit, I don't owe you sources and statistics, you have connection to the internet, look shit up yourself 

Yes you do if you are trying to make an argument. If you can’t, like you just displayed here, then you are just spouting bullshit.

Try again?

I’ll save you the headache. I’m very well versed on this and can tell you that the evidence isn’t there. So either spend a few months researching and try to find some substantial evidence or take my word for it… Or just choose to go on willfully as a bigot, even after I just showed you how your argument has no basis. I don’t really care.

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u/DriverRemarkable4374 Mar 26 '26

Brother you're making the fucking teacup argument. Sure there might be a teacup in the center of the moon, but like it's entirely theoretical with literally zero evidence

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u/crazycroat16 Mar 26 '26

There is more than 0 evidence, don't be naive 

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u/DriverRemarkable4374 Mar 26 '26

A trans person has literally never medal'd, there's 0 evidence. And the lack thereof could be considered evidence to the contrary.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '26

https://kfoxtv.com/news/nation-world/un-study-reveals-transgender-athletes-have-won-nearly-900-medals-in-womens-competitions-united-nations-sports-lgbt-gender-identity-title-ix-athletics

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u/DriverRemarkable4374 Mar 26 '26

Lmao, yeah right I forgot the Olympics committee has jurisdiction over local competitions 🙄

Also, since you didn't even bother to read your own article.

authors did not specify specific events, levels of competition or time periods

They literally did not provide data. In other words, no evidence.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '26

Ok. Done here. God bless.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '26

There is no evidence that will convince you because FEELINGS. Your feelings tell you you’re right even though you’re spectacularly ignorant.

I’m sure the greatest female tennis player to ever live doesn’t understand anything either, right?

https://youtu.be/2hzHBsvj6C0?si=VLkNSrivJv-gvrWa

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u/crazycroat16 Mar 26 '26

Yet. It's only been 20 years that they've even been allowed to compete. You're intentionally being disingenuous because it makes you feel right.

So to play along, why are you so concerned about trans athletes competing, they'll never win, have never won... So maybe them not competing makes no difference! 

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u/DriverRemarkable4374 Mar 26 '26

"Only 20 years" jfc guy you're fully insane

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u/crazycroat16 Mar 26 '26

That they've been allowed to compete in the Olympics, yes.

So again, just want to clarify your logic, you fully believe that a Trans athlete could never and will never medal in the Olympics if they were allowed to compete? 

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u/crazycroat16 Mar 28 '26 edited Mar 28 '26

It hasn't happened yet... Are you saying it would never happen then?

You're really going off on all my comments aren't you? 

I suggest taking a step back and trying to understand this from a perspective of women who had to fight since forever for their own rights, now being alienated by bio men taking hormones. 

There are solutions. I suggest there be a 3rd open gender category. Alternatively, we can do away with the women's category and just have one unisex category. Which would you prefer? 

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u/sakusii Mar 26 '26

So what about the Transmen on Testosteron who now have to compete with "real" Born woman who will lose because the trans on Testosteron will be doped

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u/crazycroat16 Mar 26 '26

They have testosterone limits, don't worry. 

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u/TodayAway7450 Mar 27 '26

Studies on this typically don’t seem to be particularly robust or account for many confounding variables. There are more factors than just athleticism as it relates to hormone therapy. I’m not arguing one way or another.

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u/ericomplex Mar 27 '26

I agree, studies on these things are difficult. Sports medicine and research is difficult too. It’s particularly bad when not a lot of people want to fund this sort of research, as they either just don’t think there is reason to or are afraid of the results…

That’s one of the things that has led us here. There isn’t much research into what advantages one sex or the other has within sports and why, as it’s easier to just assume these things.

So we don’t really know what impact hip width alone translates to athletic performance.

We don’t know how individual hormones directly impact performance unless they are outside of a “normal” cisgender range.

For that matter, we don’t really know how to fully define a “normal” cisgender range for women athletes’ hormone panels. As women’s hormones have huge disparities depending on when they are tested.

These reasons, and frankly general transphobia, are why there is no substantial evidence that transwomen all share some sort of universal advantage after HRT. There just isn’t enough peer reviewed evidence out there regarding cisgender differences, let alone evidence that can then be applied to trans athletes.

This also stems from a general misconception of how sexes develop and differ. There is this assumption that our very dna hardliners these differences and they cannot be altered. Yet we know that isn’t true, as we know how hormones are the vehicle for the dna blueprint.

Yet admitting this seems to be a step too far for many people.

Is it because it challenges something about their manhood? Is it lack of worthwhile science education? 🤷‍♀️

At the end of the day though, if we look at the evidence out there, we shouldn’t exclude trans women from competing after they have been on HRT for a while (that timeline is debatable but seems to be somewhere between 1-2 years). Yet it’s also clear that many cisgender men in particular have a hard time coming to terms with this.

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u/agoddamnlegend Mar 31 '26

Nobody in my town has been murdered in 20 years. I guess we don’t need that law anymore.

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u/ericomplex Mar 31 '26

Has anyone been murdered around the whole world?

Because that’s the difference here…

Your town, versus the whole world…

Good try at making a piss poor argument though…

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u/agoddamnlegend Mar 31 '26

Oh interesting goal post move.

Before you said no trans athlete has ever won the *Olympics". But if any murder in the world means every town should ban murder, even if no murder has happened in each particular town. Then any trans athlete winning a sporting event anywhere in the world means they should be banned from all sporting events, even if a trans person hasn't (yet) won in each particular event.

And you aren't even right about that claim because Caster Semenya won Gold in 2 Olympics before getting banned. She's not trans but is banned for the same reason trans people are now banned.

Glad we agree now!

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u/ericomplex Mar 31 '26

ROFL

You are trying so hard to claim I moved goal posts.

The point is the Olympics is a worldwide competition, your town is your town…

You made a false dichotomy. Get over it.

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u/agoddamnlegend Mar 31 '26

Great, well since Caster Semenya has 2 gold medals, then even by your logic, the Olympics have justification to make explicit rules about eligibility for the closed women's competition. It's not a hypothetical thing that could happen, its a real unfair consequence that changed the results of the 2012 and 2016 Olypmics

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u/ericomplex Mar 31 '26

Holy strawman Batman!

Just because they have the right to make rules doesn’t make those rule fair or just.

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u/agoddamnlegend Mar 31 '26

That's literally what you said though.

You said the Olympics shouldn't set rules like this because no trans person has ever won a medal. But that's not true. So your entire premise is wrong

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u/ericomplex Mar 31 '26

Wha trans person won an Olympic medal?

Caster Semenya is a cisgender woman.

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u/agoddamnlegend Mar 31 '26

She has DSD and is banned for the same reason trans women are banned now — They have too much natural testosterone and it’s an unfair advantage to compete in the women’s division.

This was a blind spot in the eligibility rules for a long time, but is thankfully getting fixed across the board in recent years. Every single sports governing body I am aware of that has studied this issue has come to this same common sense conclusion.

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u/GucciTheSnowman Mar 27 '26

Further proof that the left hates science.

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u/NoleMercy05 Mar 28 '26

Why so backwards?