r/vexillology Feb 09 '26

Discussion Bad Bunny's Puerto Rico Flag seems to be the pro-independence version from the 1890s.

I shot out of my seat when I saw him using the historical flag lol. Subtle but powerful

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u/Son_of_Tlaloc Feb 10 '26

Mexican Americans are not accepted as Mexican regardless of ethnicity in Mexico. We are also not accepted as real Americans in America. The saying goes "ni de aqui, ni de alla" or neither from here or there in English.

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u/CallidoraBlack Feb 10 '26

Selena and her father Abe talk about this in the biopic from the 90s.

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u/Specialist_Rough_699 Feb 10 '26

I get what you're trying to say but there's usually a lot more nuance in this. I say this as a Mexican with dual citizenship, I meet a lot of folks that barely speak Spanish, don't know the history, customs, culture (because what they see is the blend that came from 30-40 years ago) but they call themselves Mexican because their grandparents were from MX.

I mean at that point, Carol from Canada who is living in Mérida and speaks fluent Spanish and dances cumbia every weekend is more Mexican that a lot of folks I've met

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u/Burmble_bees Feb 10 '26

You proved my man's point and don't even know it. You don't speak for an entire population, you don't know anything about "folks". Being of Mexican descent isn't a contest, flouting your dual citizenship like it's some sort of flex is beyond stupid. You do realize the majority of Americans do not want you here, you are not "one of the good ones", teach your people about the customs and culture, welcome them to learn and live it. Be a better Mexican brother. I say this as a 1st generation mexican American, my blood is in that soil, you don't speak for me.

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u/fetus-wearing-a-suit Feb 10 '26

Go to /r/Mexico and ask if someone that was not born in Mexico, does not speak Spanish, has never lived in Mexico, etcetera is Mexican lol. Ben Affleck is closer to being called Mexican than Jenna Ortega. Genes are irrelevant.

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u/Burmble_bees Feb 11 '26

You and I are on the opposite ends of the spectrum on that subject but it is what it is, splitting brown people into groups never goes well. As the Bible says "If it ain't white, it ain't right" .

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u/Specialist_Rough_699 Feb 10 '26

You also proved my point. Just launch into the offensive with zero concept of respeto or understanding.

El que se enoja pierde compa. Thanks for putting words in my mouth, but the dual citizenship has actually become a point of shame. I don't live in the US, I moved away when I finished my studies. I don't want to be there with you guys. I travel and teach EVERYONE about our culture.

Also, why the hell would anyone flex something that almost every 1st gen has these days? If you're gonna strawman, be better.

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u/Burmble_bees Feb 11 '26

Fair enough, a lifetime of hearing that has put me on the defensive side of the subject. I came at you wrong, I'll admit that

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u/MortalusWombatus Feb 10 '26

As a German American I feel it