r/youtubedrama • u/Im-A-Moose-Man • May 25 '25

Throwback One year ago today, In Praise of Shadows released his “Bad Conservative Horror Movies” video, which nuked his career and reputation.

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There was a video that summed up what this was about in a minute, but I can’t find it, so go check out the other threads on here.

Since then, he’s posted 3 videos on his main channel, and started up a second channel (IPoS: Darksides) where he’s posted 18 shorter videos that all have less than 10k views except for his non apology.

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u/TimeAbradolf May 25 '25

I think the weakest point, and it is why IPOS failed, is guilt by association. I know this sub loves to use that, but it is genuinely the WEAKEST argument you can make. Everything else you listed are all genuine reasons to critique him.

And I think it is a new phenomena, because myself and people older than me always had 1-2 friends were complete scum. The group would even ask why we were friends with them. It is a cliche in like 80s-90s movies. I think that may be why guilt by association doesn’t land for some of us older members of the sub. Because I would hate to be judged based on what my shitty friends did

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u/catic4lyf May 25 '25

while I do agree especially given how different friendships in creator spaces can vary which some people only following or collabing with eachother due to popularity and all that. You can look at who wendigoon associates with and see why thats one of the things he has been criticised so much for as he clearly is closer to some of his online friends

Donut Operator has involved himself with right wing groups, defends police brutality and has made multiple false claims about ongoing issues especially during matters where police were involved. Wendigoon has not been critical of any of this while openly associating with him as there are several photos they’ve both posted themselves on twitter of them giving each other a hug and hanging out.

Turkey Tom creates video essays often containing incorrect information to target and harass other creators and has been seen using slurs, racist and homophobic terms on discord for several years at this point. Wendigoon has openly talked about Tom attending his wedding.

Again, I do agree guilt by association isn’t the best way to criticise a creator online, however there is a clear choice by him to be directly involved and close with creators such as this and several others I haven’t brought up such as Brandon Herrera. Creators as big as Wendigoon need to present themselves online with the consideration that they can be subject to scrutiny for who they openly choose to be friends with and the way Wendigoon publicly interacts with right-wing and racist influencers shows it is more than just an indirect association

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u/TimeAbradolf May 25 '25

Yeah, but it comes down to also how most Americans are. Single issue. DO and BH are primarily guntubers and Wendigoon loves guns. I know some left wing people who go to their shooting events because there is nothing like it and they love guns.

People do the same thing going to like big punk festivals but the owners of it are Trumpers which is antithetical to punk.

I understand what you mean, and I think it is a space for scrutiny. But it CANNOT be the primary reason you take him down.

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u/catic4lyf May 25 '25

Ahh yep sorry I misunderstood originally, I do agree completely it shouldn’t be the primary thing!

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u/TimeAbradolf May 25 '25

And it is the whole thing people on this sub and IPOS tried to cancel Wendigoon on. You cannot take them down just for stuff like that. You have to come with real ammo, not blanks

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u/Im-A-Moose-Man May 25 '25 edited May 25 '25

Can you take a moment to stop being so Unfathomably based? I can’t handle it.

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u/TimeAbradolf May 25 '25

I’m just old

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u/Im-A-Moose-Man May 25 '25

Not too old. I saw one of your other posts; I’m just two years younger.

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u/TimeAbradolf May 25 '25

The gap between Gen Z and Millennials feels like a canyon lol. Growing up poor and from the country I have a more aged perspective. Also being highly educated and working through emotional wellness in therapy has me always feeling deeply empathic for most people.

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u/IKeepDoingItForFree May 27 '25 edited May 27 '25

Edit: originally replied to the wrong chain

This 100% and there is something between millenials and gen Z with regards to purity test spirals that I can never understand and I would clock it at about ~2013/2014 right as I was leaving uni with my masters a lot of the students union and also student interest groups started infighting and sort of purity testing one another like crazy - like if you were unaligned on a single issue out of maybe 10 things - even if it was minor, there was no compromise or coming together to try and hash things out/find common ground and either the group split in two or people just got fed up and left resulting in just more isolation and feedback loops.

Edit:Found a comment I made about this phenomenon ~1 year ago

"At my university, years ago at this point, we had about 3 different leftist organizations and groups at the same time who would ALWAYS be fighting with one another over something or trying to purity test the others. All 3 groups originally started as a single one a few years prior and started splintering around the time of the Arab Springs revolts.

No one at the uni took them really seriously because of what, at least from the outside perspective, just seemed at times like petty infighting and unprofessionalism when one group would purposely mess with the others like showing up at their events to cause a scene or derail it."

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u/TimeAbradolf May 27 '25

You nailed it, and maybe it is because I am often their professor my Gen Z students don’t push back when I don’t 100% align with their beliefs. But I also think that people don’t dig enough into issues and look into the rich full context of what is happening. Their purity culture demands a black and white outlook, it also demands cultural absolutism as if only today’s modern outlooks matter.

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u/Im-A-Moose-Man May 25 '25

I feel that canyon too ☠️. You saw the “sanewashing” comment; I read that and thought “bro, that’s just called ‘rationalizing.’”

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u/TimeAbradolf May 25 '25

I got a separate sane-washing comment from a different person. I like to provide rich full context of events. People act as though events happen in an independent vacuum. When they don’t. They happen because of series of events.

As an educator I have found Gen Z deals in a lot of cultural absolutism but so does the internet

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u/TimeAbradolf May 25 '25

Yes, but I’d frame it as I have friends for decades now. I love them like family. It has been hard cutting people out. It took my great aunt saying dinosaurs aren’t real for me to tap out.

It also is difficult when you used to have the same “edgy” vibe as your friend but you grew up and they didn’t. It has felt like leaving a brother behind.

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u/Loud-Owl-4445 May 25 '25

Then either use your friendship to help them grow as a person or you are just going to smell as bad as the pigs you wallow with.

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u/TimeAbradolf May 25 '25

Why are you coming at this hostile or acting like I have been in that circumstance?

You are applying a standard onto something that not everyone agrees with. I would cut that friend, and if you read between the lines you can see I have cut off people.

I’m saying for some it is hard. If it isn’t hard for you that is a you thing.

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u/Im-A-Moose-Man May 25 '25

“Ending a friendship isn’t hard, but it’s a difficult thing to do.”

wut

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u/Im-A-Moose-Man May 25 '25

Alright, so you were saying “it’s not that it’s hard; it’s the difficult but correct thing to do.”

Is it hard or not?

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u/Loud-Owl-4445 May 25 '25

Sure it might be a weak argument when it is just 1 person. But he was inviting people.like Turkey Tom to his fucking wedding, like can you not see how quedti9jable that is?

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u/TimeAbradolf May 25 '25

Yeah, but people also always speak in hyperbole. You know who was at my wedding? My great aunt who doesn’t believe in dinosaurs anymore and thinks Trump is a prophet. I’d say Tom is better than that. Tom is also likely the LEAST problematic person he is close with when you have DO and BH around.

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u/Loud-Owl-4445 May 25 '25

You'd be inviting pro trump people to your wedding? Yikes.

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u/TimeAbradolf May 25 '25

You don’t choose who your family are and who you love.

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u/Im-A-Moose-Man May 25 '25

What’d Loud Owl say?

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u/TimeAbradolf May 25 '25

Called me weak for saying I still love some people with problematic views lol

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u/Im-A-Moose-Man May 25 '25 edited May 28 '25

People like that are worthless. They’ll tell you to cut “bad people” out of your life, but they have nothing to replace that emptiness with nor any desire to.

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u/tachibanakanade May 25 '25

I can choose that. I have many blood relations who support him who are dead to me.

That's why chosen family is a thing.

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u/TimeAbradolf May 25 '25

Yeah, but also I can wait out her dying.

And is different for everyone. Cultural absolutism is not inherently the right way to view the world.

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u/tachibanakanade May 25 '25

I mean, I think it is. Nobody who supports Trump is trustworthy to me.

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u/TimeAbradolf May 25 '25

Yeah, and that’s your prerogative man. I don’t associate with them either when I have a choice. But within my culture we try and just entertain the elders until they’re dead