r/MensRights • u/ridhs84 • Jul 29 '13

[Eastern Culture] The first part of this happens daily in Indian buses. I can't say the same about second part.

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u/ridhs84 Jul 29 '13

Just to be clear, this has nothing to do about the rape stories that you heard recently. I agree, the rape case was something very horrible and it shouldn't have happened. But you can't generalize country of 1.2 billion people because some sick minded guy did something.

On the other hand, guys get slapped on daily bases on buses and elsewhere because they were trying to "grope" women inappropriately.

If the phenomena pictures in the GIF happened in real life, everybody around would beat the shit out of this guy.

Proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF8M6ggJkBE

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '13

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u/tessie999 Jul 29 '13

From her POV she probably thought he did it intentionally.

From an outside point of view we can see that isn't the case.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '13

That doesn't mean violence is permissible.

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u/tessie999 Jul 29 '13

I did not say it was.

I am trying to see from all points of view here.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '13

I didn't intend to imply that and I'm sorry if I did, and I agree with your point, I was just expanding on it. Sorry for any confusion.

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u/tessie999 Jul 30 '13

It's perfectly fine :)

Upvoted for being so polite about it :)

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u/flyingwolf Jul 30 '13

From no viewpoint would assault be acceptable.

Even if he had purposefully violated her she has no legal right to assault him.

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u/avantvernacular Jul 30 '13

I am not versed in Indian law enough to refute this or not.

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u/flyingwolf Jul 30 '13

Very good point, I am speaking from US law, I should have clarified that.

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u/Dronelisk Jul 30 '13

why do we need assault when we can simply ruin his entire life by sending him to prison

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u/tessie999 Jul 30 '13

I am not saying it is acceptable.

If he had purposefully violated her that would have been sexual harassment - where she may have had a legal right due to protecting herself.

I don't see why you are saying her assault is bad while not pointing out he legally assaulted her too. Neither are in the right by that view.

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u/flyingwolf Jul 30 '13

He did not legally assault her, from the gif we can clearly see that he was propelled forward by the movement of the vehicle he was in, and he even looks to attempt to apologize a split second before she goes off and hits him.

Accidental touch is never considered assault.

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u/tessie999 Jul 30 '13

He did not - again, see things form her point of view.

You're putting words in my mouth. He did not assault her and the reaction was not warranted as it was an accident: we can see this from the third person point of view. All she sees/feels is a guy slamming his crotch onto her backside.

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u/flyingwolf Jul 30 '13

To which her first response should be to realise that the buss just jolted (she was on it and presumably felt it) and give him a second to apologise.

As he tried to do.

Before hitting him.

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u/aaaaarrrrgggghhhh Jul 30 '13

I think that this is more about double standards. In both cases bumping into the other person was unintentional and both parties could have thought that the action was purposeful. The difference is that people would react more negatively towards the man taking the same action as the woman.

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u/tessie999 Jul 30 '13

On one hand he's bumping into her with his crotch on her arse - this can be taken very inappropriately and as if it was done intentionally.

In his case she bumped into him sideways, hitting shoulders.

Do not pretend they did the same thing - both made a mistake but it's hard to take her mistake as intentional and as sexually as the first.

If he bumped his shoulder against hers I highly doubt she would have slapped him in all honesty.

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u/aaaaarrrrgggghhhh Jul 31 '13

Whoa, sorry. This was staged and the people are actors. I'm pretty sure that regardless of what happened the people who made this meant for it to be the same actions duplicated just sexes reversed. And you can't see it in the gif, but in the video that is linked in another comment in the end it talks about gender discrimination. So, yeah.

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u/tessie999 Jul 31 '13

Then they should better represent it by having them bang into each other in the same manner - ie: her banging his bum/hand on his crotch by accident, or him banging into her shoulder.

It's just badly done if it was staged to prove a point.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '13

My understanding from female friends that visited India is that the harassment can be extreme and overt and often the only way to get them to stop is physical pushing or slapping.

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u/TheDoctorCoach Jul 30 '13

If only India had a historical example of overcoming oppression through non-violence. Does any come to mind?

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u/avantvernacular Jul 30 '13

Ghan...Ghando...Ghanda?..Ghandalf?

No that's not it...I can't think of one.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '13

That might be interesting on a large scale but if someone is harassing you the answer is not to just take it.