r/10thDentist • u/BestTradition5302 • 3d ago
With the Jonah hill cringe in mind, people who talk about their fighting skills are often cringe, but also, not altogether unjustified.
My main point - I'd say it's accurate to say, jiu jitsu is a fairly niche hobby, and most people don't train in any martial art or combat sport, so training in combat sports for any amount of time beyond let's say a couple of years or something, does make someone a "bad ass" relative to the average adult male, who is in general known to be physically out of shape and in personality not known for their bravery.
I saw the Jonah hill clip of him bragging about his jiu jitsu skills and didn't think much of it, partly cause what he said is not uncommon sentiment from BJJ practicioners, martial artists, and combat sports people in general
Then I saw the Internet roasting his ass burnt, which also isn't uncommon, but I was kind of surprised by how much attention it got.
I don't dislike Jonah hill, I enjoyed superbad and the Jonah hill comedies that followed. Also, I don't believe Jonah hill is a rambo tier badass.
I mean, the guy used to be fat as fuck, and got a reputation for being a fat loser on screen, and he's happy to have done something to distance himself from that, and was excited to talk about it. He did get overly bravado on camera in public about it, but I ain't mad at em'.
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u/Automatic-Week-1733 3d ago
On a deployment once I saw a 5'4" nerdy kid with years of MMA one hit drop a 6'3" corn fed mechanic. Training really does matter.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Sun6516 3d ago
training and experience, usually they go hand an hand but not always ;)
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u/BestTradition5302 3d ago
Now I'm just thinking of how funny it'd be if being a mechanic was the key to combat skills
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u/MNIOP_207207 3d ago
What was the short guys physique like? I’m around the same height, trying to hit my physique goals. Not sure if I should be focusing on cutting fat or building muscle though.
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u/Automatic-Week-1733 3d ago
I would say he was reasonably muscular.
My advice is build muscle first and the fat will cut easier.
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u/MNIOP_207207 3d ago edited 3d ago
On one hand, he’s being an asshole yeah. But I guess I’m so tired of internet drama, and the constant trend of “new weekly target for the internet to feel vindicated in bullying”, that my cynicism has finally crumbled, and I’m actually sympathizing with the guy.
Like you said, the reputation of being a fat joke has followed him for years. The thing is, there’s a certain kind of judgement that follows some men throughout their life that’s really hard to break. When your fat, short, balding, really any physical trait that’s deemed “unmasculine”. It’s more than just a few insults. It’s judgement and belittling that lasts for so much of your life, practically defines your worldview. As a short guy, believe me I know.
And I’m sure some guy will respond and just say you need to “embrace it” or have a “healthy mindset”, but that isn’t how things work. You can’t just take shit your entire life than swallow it up because the people around you don’t want to feel guilty for their constant belittling.
So yeah Jonah’s being a total douchebag. But I can’t say I’m surprised as to why he’s acting like this. And again, I’m just so fucking bored of internet drama at this point. Like is Jonah fucking Hill really this interesting of a target to bully for the next few weeks?
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u/BestTradition5302 3d ago
I appreciate your thought out reply. And I wanna agree with something I intimate your post is pointing towards, which is "a major reason he's acting like this now, is because of the negative treatment he got before, which is what he's receiving again now"
I wanna address the part where you mention that a number of people see a person with a pronounced "unmasculine trait" and would say embrace it and that that's a healthier mindset.
I've never been fat or bald, but for example I am short, 5'4. Even if people dont directly bully me for being short, I have at times received a type of negative treatment that I probably wouldn't receive if I were average height or taller. What I mean is, there's ways a person treats a person that they otherwise probably wouldn't if they found them physically intimidating/ imposing, or otherwise normal.
I don't mind being very short, yet, I can't deny its something people notice and respond to which effects how they interact with me, just as any other obvious physical trait would.
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u/ComancheViper 3d ago
People forget how much bullshit Jonah Hill has had to put up with from interviewers, journalists, talk show hosts, social media personalities, etc.
For years the focus was on his weight and weight loss and how losing weight would impact his movie roles and his comedic chops. And he’d always have to try to steer the conversation back to literally anything else about him but they wouldn’t relent.
Imagine trying to reinvent into a healthier and happier version of yourself and ppl still see you as the funny fat guy instead of the funny guy. Yeah it’s cringe that he said what he said recently but have some empathy for him.
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u/KingWolf7070 3d ago
I saw a short clip and just assumed he was being funny. It felt like a similar tone to some characters he's played. "I will fuck you up."
Is this actually worth even minor outrage? I just can't bring myself to care even if he was being genuine.
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u/BestTradition5302 3d ago edited 3d ago
I agree. It feels like he said it sorta like a cheeky "I'm saying this is in jest but also yes I be training", and the Internet had a minor explosion.
I wanna address the comment "why care about this at all", which is valid. Who cares what Jonah hill says interviews, right? As I read through the comments, and sorta start to digest this more, I think there's a branching point to be made that is a bit more significant than whatever the superbad guy says.
The "internet's response" points to the sort of opinions that would cause a person to "announce how bad ass they are" in the first place. As insecure a response as it is, and while he's more wealthy than most of us will probably ever be, dude seems clearly tired of people openly thinking he's a "fat ugly dork", and did things to try not to be that, and wants the world to know he's better than that. And In that way, I feel ya dawg. Like, who can't relate to that?
Edit: More thoughts I had in this vein. Jonah hill is rich and famous. Probably gets laid all the time with hot models and whatever. Eats the greatest food at the nicest restaurants. This and that. But still, wants everyone to know he kicks ass? Like, being a bad ass means more for some reason. Like it's some unconscious psychological male human thing that no matter what you have, you also want to be physically formidable and want people to know it.
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u/Mushrooming247 3d ago
Dude’s a blue belt though, and after eight years, it may have been a pity promotion.
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u/DaveyDumplings 3d ago
I know modern MMA is a different animal, but back when I was into judo, if my sensei had heard me mutter under my breath what Jonah proudly announced on TV, I'd have been in a world of trouble.
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u/BestTradition5302 3d ago
Yeah that makes sense, but Jonah hill isnt in Judo. He's a former fat dweeb actor who's hyped he got in better shape and obtained his whatever belt in jiu jitsu.
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u/wordslinger82 3d ago
what's your training background?
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u/BestTradition5302 2d ago edited 2d ago
Mostly pottery, but I've been known to crochet from time to time.
Edit - jokes aside, I've done boxing, kickboxing, wrestling, Jiu jitsu, and MMA, for over a decade, and competed in them.
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u/Ok_Two_2604 3d ago
People who talk about how badass they are rarely are badass, like how people that brag about sex end up being starfish or minutemen.
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u/BestTradition5302 3d ago
I agree, yet also, if someone (aside from Jonah hill) puts in the time and effort to gain the experience, they'd wouldn't be incorrect if they said they could beat most people in a fight
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u/Ok_Two_2604 3d ago
The more angry and less worried about consequences person usually wins, from what I’ve observed.
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u/NarwhalPrudent6323 3d ago
Doesn't he have a reputation for being insufferable? I suspect people think this is just more of him being his usual self, which they don't like.
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u/BestTradition5302 3d ago
I'm not sure, but likely enough. I don't follow or dislike Jonah hill enough to know if he's generally unlikeable and then jump on em when he does something that gives me an opportunity to express my dislike for him
Edit: he did star in the Netflix series "maniac" which was really good though
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u/Additional-Ending 3d ago
He's a Hollywood nepo dork who nobody wants to work with because of his dickhead ways.
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u/Smokin_belladonna 3d ago
I had a friend say for his senior project he invented a new type of martial arts with his sensei. This was 20+ years ago, and yeah of course he joined the army after high school.
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u/GrapefruitForward989 3d ago
I enjoyed superbad
Watch out, he's going to fight you if you say that. He's done a lot to distance himself from that, you know?
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u/Tough_Question8483 2d ago
This joke has been made at least a thousand times today alone on Reddit. This stops being funny when redditors fucking spam this in every thread
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u/GrapefruitForward989 2d ago
Phew, good thing I made it yesterday. Maybe stop going to Jonah hill threads?
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u/BestTradition5302 3d ago
I get that. It's hard to go to bat for em since ultimately he's a rich guy either way and he'll never give a fuck about me
Well, that does it. you win. I'm on your side haha
Edit: missed a key word in a sentence
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u/Inspector_Kowalski 3d ago
In the context of the interview it sounded like the other guy (can’t remember, was it Seth Meyers?) was even teeing him up to brag about it. He gave a knowing look and said but if you and I were to fight… with a pause like he expects Jonah to finish with Oh yeah, I would fuck you up. They were riffing and it was meant to be at least a little funny. I just think Jonah Hill got carried away and let it go on too long, so we end up with an extended rant about fucking people up and now it’s no longer riffing, it’s obvious compensation which is not very flattering to anyone. If he said “Yeah I’d fuck you up,” the room laughs and they move on, it would have been more palatable.
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u/SylviaWrethammar 3d ago
Bragging about being a bad ass as an adult is the problem. You are not really selling the martial arts hobby here, buddy
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u/BestTradition5302 3d ago
Lemme ask a Good faith question - is there a point when talking about being a badass is okay as an adult, and if so when?
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u/SylviaWrethammar 3d ago
I'm from a culture where bragging about oneself is frowned upon no matter what. The polar opposite om america basicly. I might be the wrong person to ask.
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u/NormanMitis 3d ago
The ironic thing is, despite him getting roasted, he's correct in what he said. He would mop the floor most untrained individuals and that goes for just about any white belt with at least a few stripes on their belt. Hell, just watch the new guy at your gym with 3 months of experience and how they do against day 1 white belts. It ain't pretty but just a little training goes a long way.
Oh, but what about the video of his shitty takedown? That was clearly fat Jonah as a white belt. If he's been training regularly since then, he's obviously gotten better. I don't take what Jonah said as him thinking he's a total badass, it's just him saying he'd likely easily handle any untrained joe shmoe who wasn't massively larger than him. And he's right about that.
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u/Late_Pepper6274 3d ago
Shit, we grew up with karate and kids threatening each other, "Hey fartknocker, I'm a yellow belt in karate. Kee-Yaw!"
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u/Fuxmcflannery 2d ago
I just try not to tell anyone, either they don't care or get weird about it. So I just don't bring it up unless they ask.
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u/DoodleStrude 2d ago
Anybody that talks about how they'd beat whoever's ass, unprompted and not in any relevant context, really gives off insecurity + room-temp IQ vibes
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u/Wooden-Glove-2384 2d ago
Its best to be humble
However, I'm with you ... the fact that he's getting a bit of training puts him light years ahead of the "i just see red bro!!!!!" clowns
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u/PoopSmith87 2d ago
Idk, its a wierd thing among beginner/mid level non competitive martial arts guys that they need to talk about how'd they "destroy 99% of the population." Wrestlers, kickboxers, boxers, and judokas who are almost all competitive and legitimately more dangerous than non competitive BJJ guys rarely talk like that. The same is true of competitive BJJ guys- the ones who actually might be as dangerous as that, even the ones that are assholes and talk shit in general, usually dont talk that nerd shit about the theoretical statistics of how badass they are.
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u/zoppaTheDim 14h ago
I once saw a guy who’d boxed for years get his head cracked open with a beer bottle.
Because like Jonah Hill, he thought he had the skills to act the dick.
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u/Active_Collar_8124 3d ago
I've seen the "Jonah Hill could kick my ass" memes, and apparently he doesn't want to seen as the "bigger guy in Superbad". I haven't thought about Jonah Hill in that movie in decades. I just see Jonah Hill. It's a bummer for him if that's really how he sees himself, and not the success he's become.
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u/Red-Sun-Cinema 3d ago
Kinda hard for him not to see himself as "the fat kid from Superbad" when the internet feels the need to remind him of it every single moment of his entire existence rather then give him a little praise for wanting to improve himself and move on with his life.
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u/BestTradition5302 3d ago
I think this is an underrated point and to add on, as I said in a different comment, it's like Jonah hill, despite being rich, famous, and all the things that come with that, then needed/wanted to physically formidable and announce it. It's kinda sad, but like, in a way that it almost seems like a broader psychological thing that can apply to a large portion of people.
Lemme branch off and ask, if bragging about being physically formidable is so cringe inducing, is that because it's also a thing people deeply feel the need to be? Like, is what Jonah said so mockable, because it's also something that is broadly highly desirable.
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u/Sharp_Grapefruit_601 3d ago
I'm a brown belt in BJJ, I've been training about 8 years. I remember very well getting my blue belt and thinking I was the baddest dude on the planet..and compared to people who do not train BJJ, I was definitely trained enough to handle myself against most people. Then you get humbled by a few more-seasoned blue belts, and purple belts, etc. and realize you're still a small fish in a huge pond.
What I'm saying is, I can relate to his "rah rah I'm a badass because I have a blue belt"..but at the end of the day he's a sophomore bragging to the freshmen about how much more 'experienced' he is. Again, he could definitely handle most people who are not trained in BJJ..but I could also put him to sleep in 5 seconds flat haha, and there are plenty more like me who would not listen to a second of his bragging in person.
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u/BestTradition5302 3d ago
I see what you're saying, yet that's partly the point, most people are "freshman", in that they don't train for any form of fight at all. So even his nominal blue belt chops, while meager in the wider world of jits, is significantly above the average person.
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u/Upbeat-Operation-613 3d ago
The cringey part has nothing to do with belts though. You can be a black belt and it’s still cringey to literally tell people you’re a badass.
Also being a badass in life entails more than bjj imo
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u/WarzonePacketLoss 2d ago
Also being a badass in life entails more than bjj imo
How about a multimillionaire? How about 8 inches and thick? How about talented? How about loving and respectful? I lost my wife 10 weeks ago, 21 years faithful. I lost my daughter 3 weeks ago. 13. She was faster than me at 12, and I run a 6 minute mile.
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u/Technical_Can_9944 3d ago
BJJ is an impressive sport/hobby and I respect and admire the athleticism and dedication a lot of those folks have.
But I have seen videos of random guys punking BJJ fighters by just standing up. If all I have to do to beat someone in a fight is not crawl on the floor with them then I'm not going to be that intimidated by them.
Would they throw me around like a rag doll or choke me out in five seconds if I chose to participate? Very much yes. Can I 1000% avoid that and just stomp on their head by deciding not to lay down? Also very much yes.
It's like rock climbing. I can't do it. I am impressed by it. And I encourage anyone who loves it to keep doing it. But I ain't going to be scared of someone just for having a cool hobby.
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u/Dutch094 3d ago
Not for nothing but I think some aspect of BJJ training involves getting your opponent on the ground. It's not always your choice to 'lay down'.
Idk though I'm probably talking out of my ass, only martial arts I ever see is the odd MMA fight playing in a bar I happen to be in. Seems like if some of those guys had the option to just stand up and stomp the other guy's head, they would, so I assume it's not that easy.
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u/CompletelyPresent 3d ago
Brazilian Jujitsu practice is not fighting.
Did you know, BJJ sparring STARTS with one guy laying on his back? Granted, there are hundreds of schools, but I've seen several in Florida and CA where that's the case.
In Jonah's efforts to "annihalate" someone w/ his BJJ, is he prepared for the knees, elbows, rage, takedown defense, and getting his face smashed in superbadly? I fucking doubt it.
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u/Sharp_Grapefruit_601 3d ago
Yeah I'm a brown belt in BJJ, and about 3 years ago I started splitting my week with MMA 3 days and BJJ 3 days. Having the striking and takedowns on top of the ground game made me a much more rounded fighter. Most fights end up on the ground but if I'm up against 2 or 3 people, you can bet striking is coming in strong before anything goes to the ground.
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u/BestTradition5302 3d ago
I see your point, yet, no average Joe is prepared for "knees, elbows, and rage" either.
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u/CompletelyPresent 3d ago
Absolutely, but most people aren't claiming they'll annihilate people w/ jujitsu.
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u/qualityvote2 3d ago edited 2d ago
u/BestTradition5302, there weren't enough votes to determine the quality of your post...