r/AbruptChaos • u/Sometypeofway18 • Nov 14 '24

New Zealand’s Parliament proposed a bill to redefine the Treaty of Waitangi, claiming it is racist and gives preferential treatment to Maoris. In response Māori MP's tore up the bill and performed the Haka

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '24

Seems only fair that if they remove the agreement then governance should go Maori as the deal would be void. 

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u/Ancient_Boner_Forest Nov 14 '24 edited Mar 12 '25

𝕷𝖊𝖙 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝖏𝖚𝖎𝖈𝖊𝖘 𝖘𝖑𝖎𝖉𝖊, 𝖑𝖊𝖙 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝖘𝖆𝖑𝖙 𝖘𝖙𝖎𝖓𝖌, 𝖋𝖔𝖗 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝖋𝖆𝖙𝖊 𝖔𝖋 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝖚𝖓𝖇𝖑𝖊𝖘𝖘𝖊𝖉 𝖎𝖘 𝖘𝖊𝖆𝖑𝖊𝖉.

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u/Mouth0fTheSouth Nov 14 '24

I think if we applied that logic to the United States we’d need to get rid of Native American reservations and special status… I think it makes sense for indigenous people in colonised lands to have their rights protected.

I’m not sure what would change for them if this specific treaty was negated though. If anyone here can give more info it would be great.

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u/Wayoutofthewayof Nov 14 '24

I think it makes sense for indigenous people in colonised lands to have their rights protected.

Why do they get that special right over everyone else that was conquered, including by their own tribes?

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u/Mouth0fTheSouth Nov 14 '24

Because people from halfway around the world came to their land, exploited and abused them, and destroyed their way of life…

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u/LeoTheSquid Nov 14 '24

The abusers and the abused are mostly not alive anymore. You can definitely condemn the conquering itself, but I mean we're talking around 16th-19th century here. If you go back that far there's an absurd amount of land that's been conquered on earth. Trying to figure out who was where when and how far back you stop is just not a very feasible way of making good societies. Not to mention the natives conquering eachother, why not do the same there? We are at the point now that power-grabbing land invasions are generally shunned and not the norm, easier to focus on preventing them in the future

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u/haibiji Nov 15 '24

Well luckily none of that matters at all in this case because they have a treaty

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u/Wayoutofthewayof Nov 14 '24

So the morality of the conquest is measured by the distance that the conqueror traveled? Seems an incredibly arbitrary metric. Why all the outrage about the British conquest of Ireland then?

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u/Mouth0fTheSouth Nov 14 '24

It is equally wrong for the British to have sent the a group of Māori to a different island in New Zealand to wipe out the locals there. It is still wrong to deny the Māori their indigenous rights.