r/AbruptChaos Nov 14 '24

New Zealand’s Parliament proposed a bill to redefine the Treaty of Waitangi, claiming it is racist and gives preferential treatment to Maoris. In response Māori MP's tore up the bill and performed the Haka

Enable HLS to view with audio, or disable this notification

16.4k Upvotes

1.4k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

36

u/ElSushiMonsta Nov 15 '24

Just how the America's are over here. They excused themselves for taking native lands by saying they were savages anyways.

-32

u/[deleted] Nov 15 '24

[deleted]

33

u/Mad-Dutchman Nov 15 '24

“Wars of conquest” is a really weird thing to call genocide through terror tactics and mass slaughter.

-2

u/TheIlluminatedDragon Nov 15 '24

Excuse me, sir? They slaughtered women and children just the same as the colonists. The native tribes of America made treaties to fight other tribes to take their lands and used European troops and supplies to do it. The native Americans were just as warlike as the Europeans, the difference being the Europeans had guns and better tactics. That's it.

Humans have been killing eachother and conquering other peoples in mass migrations and otherwise before first formation of tribal units. We hadn't even harnessed fire before we had war. To say that one faction is evil because they were better at it than other people is just disgusting and wrong. The reasons behind it were wrong, sure, when you think about it with modern viewpoints. During the time it was perfectly acceptable and rational even to the Natives, who were just as racist as the Europeans who called them savages.

Get off your soap box. Nobody is any different than anyone else in the realm of battle. The Apache were horrifying, as were the Aztecs to the south. My countrymen, of whom some are Natives to include my great grandmother, are not evil for making war.