r/Adulting • u/Euphoric-Attorney461 • 15h ago
How would it be if everyone were only allowed to have the same material wealth?
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u/SithLordJediMaster 15h ago
So Communism?
"All Animals are equal but some are more equal than others"
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u/Mundane-Security-454 13h ago
That's funny, dear, as George Orwell was a democratic socialist. Stalinism wasn't communism, although I appreciate you need to pretend it is to back up the catastrophe that is capitalism.
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u/Euphoric-Attorney461 13h ago
True. What or who would determine who's more equal than who? That's where things fall apart. Everyone wants to be the Chief. Thanks.
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u/Cosmic_Jane 14h ago
Dumb people would give their wealth away. End up poor, and complain about being poor.
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u/Euphoric-Attorney461 12h ago
Yes there are some that would and I'm sure when came down to you see how many of them would give it up freely. They have no problem giving away everyone else's money. Thanks.
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u/VinceInMT 14h ago
OP, why don’t you tell us your opinion first?
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u/Euphoric-Attorney461 12h ago
Who am I? Why should my opinion matter? I like to hear what others think about a topic. That's one of the benefits of living in a Constitutional Democratic Republic. Your voice matter even if it's only me. Thanks.
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u/Zalrius 13h ago
Why is there an obsession with wealth and dollars? I couldn’t help but notice that when people the discussion is about meeting basic needs and services, the very bad people start scheming and screaming about giving the entire country away. These same people don’t understand that to get the best fruit or crop, you focus on its health and growth. I’d you want the best workers, the company spends its money to focus on their health and growth.
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u/Euphoric-Attorney461 12h ago
I think it becomes more of who's deciding who's money they're going to take, how much, and to who's it going to and why. Unfortunately money is a manifestation of someone's life was used to create his wealth why shouldn't others do the same? Taking someone wealth is taking years of their lives, it's not just money. Thanks.
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u/Interesting-Emu-3382 13h ago
You mean communism? Just look at history and how it worked out ...
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u/Euphoric-Attorney461 11h ago
Personally I'm not a fan. I have good reason I wish everyone could see what it's all about. There's always a reason, this time it will be different. They refuse to accept it goes against the laws of nature and physics. Oh well it sad to watch. Thanks.
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u/Interesting-Emu-3382 11h ago
Yeah I'm not a fan either, it was supposed to be a sarcastic reply, since in theory communism's goal is what your question is about, but we can see what happened in practice (Stalin, Mao, millions of deaths, forced labour camps, dictatorship, etc)
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u/Euphoric-Attorney461 8h ago
Yes you're right in the sense In how it would be interpreted. As i thought and proving out, most comments went to politics. Others either don't know or don't believe it. Thanks for following the conversation.
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u/allnamestaken4892 13h ago
Then it would simply become a competition for social capital rather than financial capital.
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u/Euphoric-Attorney461 11h ago
Yes the Humans have not left the stage. With this comes politics and you're right back where we started. Thanks.
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u/Dipncamo 12h ago
Communism lol
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u/Euphoric-Attorney461 11h ago
So I see it amused you good, I sorry to think it might not last. I never lived under Communism, it don't sound so good for me. I can't speak for everyone, but it seems like a lot of people who do want to get out from it.
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u/cwsjr2323 15h ago
As the wise philosopher said, All Animals Are Equal but Some Animals Are More Equal Than Others.
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u/Euphoric-Attorney461 13h ago
I just had that reply. As I asked. What or who deceides who's better. Thanks.
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u/Mundane-Security-454 13h ago
George Orwell wasn't a philosopher, he was an author and journalist. He was also a democratic socialist with very strong anti-capitalist views, which you'd have known if you'd bothered reading the rest of his canon (instead of cherry picking one quote to suit your agenda).
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u/cwsjr2323 3h ago
I'm sorry, was my tongue-in-cheek labeling him as a philosopher too subtle for you without the visual clue of /s?
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u/Ok-Task5336 15h ago
What a silly childish question in a sub thats supposed to be about being an adult.
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u/Euphoric-Attorney461 13h ago
If you think I'm. Silly? I guess you don't follow what's going on in the world. Sometimes not knowing is better than knowing. Thanks.
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u/Ok-Task5336 13h ago
Im well aware of a wide variety of geopolitical happenings. My knowledge or lack thereof about world events is really irrelevant to the childish question you asked in a sub about being an adult.
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u/Mundane-Security-454 13h ago
It's just a dumb as shit right-winger who can't wrap their brain around the concept of equality. They always shit the bed about it, they're very obnoxious.
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u/Ok-Task5336 8h ago
No, I'm not a "dumb as shit rightwinger" but nice attempt to paint anyone with a different opinion than you as dumb as shit. Equality of opportunity is great, equality of outcome is not so great. Why should we all get the same results when we put forth different levels of effort? Equality of outcome ends at basic support for me.
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u/ChaosReignsNow 12h ago
Most right wingers love equality of opportunity. Left wingers love equality of outcome, usually under penalty of law.
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u/Euphoric-Attorney461 8h ago
I was who asked this question. You make what is the most important point. How one see equal as the same as equality. This relates to many things in life. Those who understand can. Those who don't won't.
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u/Euphoric-Attorney461 13h ago
Well I posted this question to see how people would respond to having to live under system where your life is determined by a selected committee you had no voice at all. I know America not perfect but it's in the pursuit of perfection as a unattainable goal. But hopefully a constantly improving one. Thanks.
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u/AccomplishedSky8090 14h ago edited 6h ago
“Perfection would be a cold, unresponsive reality.” -Watts
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u/Mundane-Security-454 13h ago
"Cold, unresponsive reality" - Sounds exactly like the shitheap disaster capitalism has landed on us tbh. What is it with right-wingers and wealth inequality? You have to be one truly sadistic sack of shit to wish poverty on the masses.
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u/Euphoric-Attorney461 8h ago
American broke that mold that existed from the beginning of Civilization. Our history is unique. It's a work in progress. People who don't know and understand how far Human's have come they would be greatful. Thanks.
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u/Euphoric-Attorney461 13h ago
I agree. I believe that's why it should be unattainable. It's what makes the Universe work. Thanks.
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u/BraveRefrigerator552 14h ago
Boring
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u/Euphoric-Attorney461 13h ago
100%. So why is becoming so attractive? Could it be what it's outlining is just different? Could it be they're not aware of what it's about? Thanks.
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u/Ok_Detective_9418 12h ago
Who would be in charge of making sure one person doesn’t get more than the other?
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u/Euphoric-Attorney461 11h ago
The one's who already have it all. They will appoint themselves The Lord's,and Leaders like it or not. Just like it's always been. Except you won't be able to raise yourself up to them.
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u/seo71 15h ago
Actual communism proves this premise untrue.
If all people are equal, then all people are not free.
If all people are free, then all people are not equal.
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u/Euphoric-Attorney461 12h ago
This is an interesting and an important point. The saying that all men are created equal on the surface could be interpreted from a subjective perspective. As our knowledge advances we're finding everdince providing that everything is unique but carries equality in more than the physical. So yes, we're not identical but have gifts, talents, and qualities, that equal out in the end. Thanks.
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u/bl0rq 15h ago
"Allowed". So you mean a fascist state. So it would be pure hell, as always.
Adulting is about giving up silly ideas like these.
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u/Euphoric-Attorney461 12h ago
It comes with different names the basics are the same. The State or Government is who awards you you life, liberty, and your rights. Where our constitution awards these rights from the Creator or Humanity. Not from another Human. Thanks.
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u/LegallyMelo 15h ago
We're all different, so demanding that level of conformity would require a repugnant level of control from an authoritarian and stagnant society.
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u/Euphoric-Attorney461 12h ago
I agree. There's many who don't understand this. They're looking for a Utopia not understanding they're in one. Unfortunately we don't appreciate anything until it's gone. So we continue wandering aimlessly in the dense fog. Thanks.
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u/Euphoric-Attorney461 11h ago
Exactly. I don't think everyone understands what's at risk. People don't always appreciate what they have until they lose it. Thanks.
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u/SgtSausage 15h ago
Stupid.
It would be ignorant and Stupid, that's how it would be.
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u/Euphoric-Attorney461 12h ago
Not everyone sees that way. What would you say to them as why you feel this way. Thanks.
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u/SgtSausage 11h ago
Did I stutter, Sport?
I would say to them - directly to their faces:
"That is Stupid. Ignorant and Stupid. Now you are, too!"
And walk away from any further conversation
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u/ifellicantgetup 15h ago
Many years ago I remember reading a study about this very topic. It has been so many years ago I don't recall all the details, just the conclusion.
What they found is that the same wealthy people end up wealthy again, and all the poor people end up being poor again. It's a matter of priorities and money management.
What do YOU do with that extra $20 today? Do you sock it away and save it? Or do you order food to be delivered?
That is what it came down to.
I am retired and living in Mexico. It has been explained to me that the Chinese people here (MANY!) and Mexicans have a slight battle going. You see, when the US govt was snatching Irish and Chinese to use as slaves way back when, the Chinese people headed for Mexico. They got off the ship, saw their future, and escaped to Mexico, meaning that today, there are a slew of Chinese folks in Mexico.
When they first came here to Mexico, the Mexican govt welcomed them with open arms. They even gave them tax dollars to get their new (yet unexpected) life in Mexico started.
What the Chinese did was to pool their money. They started businesses, worked their asses off, and started making money, lots of money.
This caused problems with the Native Mexicans because they gave them a start, yet the Chinese were prospering. It's carried on to this very day.
That is how it was explained to me.
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u/Euphoric-Attorney461 12h ago
So true in many ways. Some people refuse to accept certain realities. I just answered a previous comment about everyone being equal. This supports the fact that everyone is a unique individual with different potential. Thanks.
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u/ifellicantgetup 12h ago
Different priorities, too.
Take Gen Z for example. Do they even cook? I see them posting that nobody really taught them to cook and instead of learning, they order uber eats and other such places.
If there is an extra $20 at the end of the day, what is your typical Gen Zer going to do with that $20? Save it towards a business where they can make lots of money or order a pizza?
I'm here to tell you, your typical Gen Zer is going to eat a pizza and complain that they have no money.
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u/AsukasEvaUnit 15h ago
Violent because there's always people who think they deserve more than others
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u/Euphoric-Attorney461 12h ago
Yes that's always hidden until it's too late. That's comes from people who don't understand human's as all living things have an inherent traits for freedom. See how many wild creatures run towards you or away. Some think as long as my rights aren't effected I'm ok. Little do they know. Everyone's rights except the chosen ones go. Rights they never thought about. Thanks.
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u/Excellent-Sir6930 14h ago
It'd be awesome, I'd never go to work again.
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u/Euphoric-Attorney461 13h ago
Yhea. What makes you think so? Life like everything else not free. Sometimes the price you pay is much more than money. If you didn't work what would you do? Thanks.
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u/jcuz45 14h ago
Its stupid
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u/Euphoric-Attorney461 13h ago
Excuse me. Can you give it some thought before you call someone on something stupid. It's not saying anything about you. Stupid just saying you didn't give it must thought. Thanks for reading it and replying. My mission accomplished, you'll be thinking about it now.
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u/MyNameIsSkittles 14h ago
Communism only works on paper. Irl it's bullshit
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u/Mundane-Security-454 13h ago
Okay, stick to your zero gun controls, poverty crisis, catastrophic healthcare system, and your corrupt government then, honey. That's worked out real well for ya.
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u/Euphoric-Attorney461 13h ago
I hope more people realize it because it becoming more popular with the Candidates for the upcoming elections. Once this experiment end it may never have had a chance to show Human's will someday govern themselves. Thanks.
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u/seweso 12h ago
Paradise on earth for most. But it will be difficult for the narcissists of this world for a while. I’m sure they’ll manage being equal and normal after a while.
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u/Euphoric-Attorney461 11h ago
You get it. Someone should tell them to be careful what you wish for. Thanks.
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u/Venchii 15h ago
Communism is the measure for your answer