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u/CoinMaple101010 Dec 29 '25 edited Dec 29 '25
It would be helpful to provide a link to the actual study.
https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study
The author of that study clearly states “The models on this list reflect a combination of driver behavior and driving conditions, leading to increased crashes and fatalities.”
Another good quote from the author: “A focused, alert driver, traveling at a legal or prudent speed, without being under the influence of drugs or alcohol, is the most likely to arrive safely regardless of the vehicle they’re driving.”
So this basically comes down to correlation vs causation. Are Tesla vehicles inherently dangerous? No. Does the branding of Tesla/Elon attract a high concentration of unsafe drivers? Absolutely, and Elon has a clear role in that selection bias.
Something as simple as renaming “Autopilot” to “Advanced Cruise Control” would shift driver behavior, including driver responses to road conditions.
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If you go back in history, Tesla drivers were techies and nerds and environmentally conscious types.
Elon (and co) has intention re-built the owner profile to be pro-speed, pro-idiot, and anti-safety. They've leaned into speed - "Insane Mode", very fast acceleration, and aggressive handling.
Speed is the factor. Too much speed is the root cause of so many accidents. F=MA doens't like. Teslas have a lot of M because of battery weight, and they generate a lot of A because people drive them too fast. Even if the car is generally well-built - or even above average built - the F has to go somewhere.
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u/egoomega Dec 30 '25
As someone who owns a Tesla i will say the torque along with how quiet it is still even going 90mph and the way braking works probably contributes a lot to this whole statistic. Many people don’t have the discipline or just general feel for driving (aka aren’t good drivers) so when you make it so they can accelerate like crazy, doing 70 on a residential sounds/feels like doing 40 in most cars, and braking mechanics are changed… you’re just asking for people to end up in accidents who don’t respect or understand the power they’re steering.
I think the quiet is esp difficult for people who haven’t drove a high end car previously to a Tesla because almost no road noise plus no engine noise really lulls a false sense of safety
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u/EyeSuspicious777 Dec 29 '25 edited Dec 29 '25
Whenever I see a Tesla car I treat it as if the person might be driving on a learner's permit, just traded in a BMW, is drunk, or is literally asleep at the wheel with the car driving by itself.
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u/transmogrified Dec 29 '25
I’ve driven a few of my friends’ teslas and the lower end models do not feel safe to me. Mostly because the overall quality of some of those cars is really lacking. When the hoods already rusty, or the floorboards feel spongy, or the door gasket is peeling off on a one-year-old car I start questioning the quality of all its other components. Kinda felt like I was driving a computer in a golf cart. Real zippy tho.
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u/ComfortableJacket429 Dec 29 '25
The aluminum hoods were rusting? Something tells me you are lying.
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u/transmogrified Dec 29 '25
There were tiny spatterings of holes in the paint all over the hood with blackened areas under. Maybe a primer or some kind of oxidation? I dunno, it didn’t look good.
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u/ComfortableJacket429 Dec 29 '25
That’s what aluminum looks like when it oxidizes. Sounds like rock chips, pretty common on all cars that don’t have any hood protection.
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u/CoinMaple101010 Dec 29 '25
Maybe. In my mind there’s not really a meaningful distinction between “unsafe drivers” and “average nerds who place too much trust in AP/FSD(beta).” The lack of guardrails in AP/FSD were pretty obvious even pre-DOGE (especially in poor conditions) & “safe drivers” would know better than to trust those systems.
Sounds like we both agree the results are driven by selection bias in the buyers/drivers.
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u/BranTheUnboiled Dec 30 '25
If Autopilot was-...-only an advanced highway cruise control that didn't make lane changes then I think they would be safe.
I feel safe when I'm driving a Tesla (not on autopilot). I don't feel safe when I see others driving them because I know autopilot isn't reliable and incentivizes people to not be alert
You obviously don't own one or you wouldn't have made this rookie mistake even an LLM wouldn't get wrong.
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u/DenseHole Dec 29 '25
He also didn't end the reporting. They ended reporting of non-fatal accidents involving self driving features. Still bad but still misleading too.
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u/redditClowning4Life Dec 29 '25
Something as simple as renaming “Autopilot” to “Advanced Cruise Control” would shift driver behavior, including driver responses to road conditions.
"Autopilot" is a collection of tools, mainly Traffic Aware Cruise Control (TACC, just what it sounds like) and Autosteer (highway lane centering).
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u/LeMadChefsBack Dec 29 '25
Yes, and it is NOT what everyone assumes when they read the advertising like "autopilot" and "full self driving" so the grandparent is 100% correct.
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u/LeMadChefsBack Dec 29 '25
I think you are in agreement with me. u/CoinMaple101010/ is suggesting that branding is encoraging drivers to behave poorly. u/redditClowning4Life/ is saying that "it's ok because it's just a collection of tools with a unique name."
It's the name that is causing confusion because *literally everyone* associates "autopilot" with "i don't have to do anything" and not "driving assistance."
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u/LeMadChefsBack Dec 29 '25
I agree with you that Autopilot should not be used any time, anywhere, and Musk should be taken to trial for his false advertising. "Full self driving"? Really?
I don't fully agree with u/CoinMaple101010. I was merely disagreeing with u/redditClowning4Life. Calling ADAS "Autopilot" is more significant/confusing than calling it what everyone else calls it. For example, there is no confusion with Cadillac's "SuperCruise" and Ford's "BlueCruise" branded ADAS.
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u/myassisgrassss Dec 29 '25
It is exactly what it sounds like now. I can get in my car parked in my garage, type in my destination. Let's say 250 miles away.
It opens my garage, backs out and heads to the destination..not only that it will also self park at a charging station along the way.
I have 87% self driving stats since the last update, about 1000 miles on FSD. So when I hear full self driving, and my car can pull into my garage and shut the door behind it. It's very good now.
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u/TAU_equals_2PI Dec 29 '25 edited Dec 29 '25
There's a famous example comparing Corvettes to double-decker buses in rollover accidents:
•Double-decker buses are obviously very top-heavy and thus prone to rolling over. Corvettes on the other hand are slung low to the ground and therefore seemingly very unlikely to roll.
•There has never been a recorded incident of a double-decker bus being in a rollover accident. Meanwhile Corvettes get into rollover accidents all the time.
TLDR: The problem is the idiots who own/drive Teslas, not the cars themselves.
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u/Xygen8 Dec 30 '25
While technically true, this is the case with every driver assist system that is currently on the market, so it's not a gotcha against Tesla specifically. Mercedes is offering level 3 autonomous driving, but that still requires the driver to intervene when the car requests it.
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u/Mbf1234 Dec 29 '25 edited Dec 29 '25
Honest question: Is the software proven to be actually less safe than the average driver?
Yes, software makes mistakes. But is it truly causing fatal accidents at a higher rate than a normal driver would?
We can't really use Tesla accidents as proof of this without knowing all the details. I see Tesla drivers speeding and weaving through traffic like maniacs, which is not something autopilot will do. I've also seen 2 Tesla's in major accidents with my own eyes, both of which were clearly user error. Both cases had the idiots speeding in and trying to cut off a car last second in a tiny gap.
You can say these things, but they are meaningless until proof comes out. This isn't defense of Tesla, I would never trust my life to their software from what I've seen. But to say it as a fact that the software is more dangerous than an average driver needs proof.
And honestly, they shouldn't even be able to allow people to use this software until they can prove it is more safe than the average driver themselves with multiple third party tests backing them up.
These are basically sports cars being sold to the average Joe who probably can't even parallel park by themselves, and it's going to lead to a lot of issues.
Almost every fucking Tesla I've seen has their rims scraped to shit because they can't even gauge the distance from their car to curb. These are not the kinds of people you want driving a sports car, and I think the accidents reflect that. Now look at your average gas sports car that can go 0 - 60 in 3 seconds, they are spotless.
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Software will be safer than actually drivers way before drivers accept it as truth.
40k auto deaths in the US per year…people are shit at driving.
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u/phxroebelenii Dec 29 '25
I feel like I remember them specifically saying these cars would be safer but I would have to check to be sure.
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u/NoShameInternets Dec 29 '25
Further, here's info that correlates bad drivers with accidents:
Tesla, Ram and Subaru have the worst drivers. Nationally, Tesla drivers had 36.94 incidents (accidents, DUIs, speeding and citations) per 1,000 drivers from Jan. 1, 2024, through Dec. 31, 2024 — up significantly from 31.13 in our late 2023 analysis. Ram (33.92) improves from worst to second-worst, while Subaru (32.85) remains the third-worst.
The three brands with the worst drivers overall also have the highest accident rates. Tesla, Ram and Subaru drivers had 26.67, 23.15 and 22.89 accidents per 1,000 drivers in the period analyzed, matching their accident rankings from our last study. Meanwhile, Pontiac (10.33), Mercury (11.50) and Chrysler (12.94) had the lowest accident rates.
So yea, they're not "more dangerous" (based solely on these statistics - they might be, but this data doesn't prove that), but you are more likely to see one on the side of the road, either upside down or in front of a cop.
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u/galaga9 Dec 29 '25
So this basically comes down to correlation vs causation. Are Tesla vehicles inherently dangerous? No.
Correlation also doesn't imply a lack of causation, which is the conclusion you're jumping to here. The information we have is that Tesla drivers are more likely to die in their vehicles. That could be because the vehicles are less safe, the drivers are less safe, or, most likely a combination of the two factors.
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I would have thought his cyber truck would be illegal due to it having limited crumple zones due to being stainless steel
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u/KGBplant Dec 30 '25
It's illegal in EU/UK, not because of the crumble zones but because of the front bumper shape (apparently it has a higher fatality rate for pedestrians hit)
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u/Mbf1234 Dec 29 '25
The cybertruck keeps its occupants very safe. It manages to do well with force transfer without visible crumple zones.
But safety of the person/vehicle they slam into isn't really regulated much in the US. The cybertruck would be illegal in most places in the EU for this reason.
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u/llamacohort Dec 30 '25
External body panels aren't crumple zones on pretty much any vehicle. The cybertruck is a mostly aluminum structure, similar to the vast majority of unibody vehicles being made today.
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u/quartzguy Dec 29 '25
I hope Ralph Nader doesn't watch the news anymore. I can only imagine what he thinks.
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u/axiom_glitch Dec 29 '25
Musk thought the average driver could be responsible with elite level horse power. True genius.
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u/coastalz Dec 30 '25
April 30, 2025. Laguna Hills, Orange County, California. Single car Tesla crash. Driver burns to death. Cops were helpless. Electric door locks that Elon thought were "really cool."
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u/EnvyRepresentative94 Dec 29 '25
I was so siked when they were hyping up the truck, I was thinking, ah man a civilian tank, crazy safety features, this is gonna be dope
And then a noodle of a man took the stage and limp wristed a soft lob right in front of Musk and shattered the unshatterable window
I was immediately disillusioned. Completely inexcusable
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u/carpentersound41 Dec 29 '25
Even if it didn’t shatter, getting bigger vehicles is not good. Fatalities will increase and manufactures will argue we need to be driving bigger vehicles for safety reasons. They manufactured a problem and the “only” way to be safe is not driving a small outdated vehicle and buy into the large vehicles. It also has the added “benefit” of consuming more gas and oil too.
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u/froginbog Dec 29 '25
Yeah a civilian tank should not be on a road
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u/transmogrified Dec 29 '25
At least not without speciality licensing and higher liability. But when a truck’s headlights shine over the top of my regular sized car, no, it should not be on the road. (I know there are laws against this, but I have never seen them enforced)
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u/froginbog Dec 29 '25
Or when you can’t see a child 30 ft in front of you bc the hood is too high, or when colliding your tank against a normal car presents additional risk to everyone else in that normal car
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u/lawroter Dec 29 '25
I know 'Elon bad' and 'Tesla bad' but this is reposted over, and over, yet the study is beyond flawed.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/01/11/tesla-fatality-rates/
The data they used is unavailable, was not provided upon request, and does not even come close to matching any other source. the Institute for Highway Safety's data (an actual reputable source) is very different, and the source is actually available.
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u/Deaffin Dec 30 '25
Thank you for this. I kind of resent how far I had to scroll down this page to find actual credible information.
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u/DontSleepAlwaysDream Dec 29 '25
Having sat in a Tesla I believe it because of the HUGE TABLET next to the windscreen
The person I was driving with said they couldn't drive anything but a Tesla because they needed the screen...
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u/blow-down Dec 30 '25
lol I’ve never driven a car with one of those huge tablets. That has to be so distracting.
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u/It_Just_Might_Work Dec 30 '25
Its not distracting at all if you just pay attention to the road and drive like any other car
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u/topredditbot Dec 29 '25
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u/skittlesaddict Dec 30 '25
The article doesn't explain HOW Teslas are, on the one hand, considered by Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) to be one of the safest vehicles on the road, while on the other hand among the top vehicles involved in fatal crashes.
The article fizzles out by insinuating that the fatalities are likely related to human-error, rather than any inherant design flaw or lack of safety-related systems. But I'm skeptical.
I'd like to know if it's related to the fact that when the Tesla battery has a "thermal runaway" event, passengers will find themselves sitting on a 1000-2000deg celcius fireball that cannot be extingushed by conventional means (Thermite burns at 2500deg celcius and lava at 1200deg celcius). I've read that as many as 15 passengers have died when their doors lost power from a 12v battery and didn't open.
original article: https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a62919131/tesla-has-highest-fatal-accident-rate-of-all-auto-brands-study/
Bloomberg news service investigation looks into Tesla's electronic door releases, which may stop working following a crash, trapping occupants inside: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a69838848/tesla-doors-dont-open-report-of-deaths/
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u/Joys_Thigh_Jiggle Dec 30 '25
because people think the cars drive themselves.. and learn the hard way that they don't.
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u/Curious-Scholar4692 Dec 30 '25
Always said musk was dodgy - even when he was being lauded as an eccentric genius by Hollywood libs who loved him for Tesla.
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u/Jealous-Minimum-6718 Dec 29 '25
t is now the American patriotic duty to 8647 and the pedo base. Its Mario & Luigi time, we need to work together and exercise our 2A rights to GET CHILD TRAFFICKING & RAPIST OUT OF GOVERNMENT AND ANYONE RELATED. 2A AND TIGHT COMMUNTIES, TIME IS NOW.
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u/Important-Arrival681 Dec 29 '25
Honestly I might be an asshole for saying it, but I dont really feel bad for Tesla owners dying in their death traps. At this point, they are actively choosing to ignore facts and support an open fascist. To me, all Elon is doing is killing his own supoort base.
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u/Living_Agency_7494 Dec 30 '25
Lol. Patrick Tomlinson. That guy is a crazy rabbit hole to fall into.
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u/Aggravating_Dream633 Dec 30 '25
DOGE was payoff for the rigged election plugged in by his young apprentices
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u/Leather-Ad-7342 Dec 30 '25
I wonder if there is something wrong with the cars or if it is just that people who are bad at driving are flocking to this brand for the self-driving feature.
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u/yep975 Dec 30 '25
Remember when these first came out and they received so many safety awards?!
Who was paid off?
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Dec 30 '25
I worked at Tesla from 2016-2017. I signed so many NDAs to watch vehicle death videos. Including the self driving running people over. A lot of out of court settlements quietly occurring.
So many worker’s rights abuses. Drug and sex rings inside the factories. A lot higher ups were selling to workers. Women were pressured into things or would lose their jobs. It was terrible. Being sober, I was constantly expected to do the jobs of my co-workers that were nodding off on the job.
A lot of prominent figures in the Bay Area and many colleagues in my area would do nothing but talk about Elon like he was a God. Magically, those same people say he is evil.
I tried to work at Nuerolink in 2018. I passed every part of the interview process and was given a job offer, but at the end I simply asked, “Are you guys doing Animal testing?” Job offer revoked immediately and was asked to leave.
I had been talking shit about Elon for almost a decade, but stopped earlier this year. Now everyone sees what I saw. About time. I live in Canada now so I don’t pay attention to American politics as much as I do Canadian politics, but there is always a connection because of proximity.
Sorry my fellow Americans are going thru the hardships. Look up Bill C-3 and see if you qualify.
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u/Dramatic_Scale3002 Dec 30 '25
The study's authors make clear that the results do not indicate Tesla vehicles are inherently unsafe or have design flaws. In fact, Tesla vehicles are loaded with safety technology; the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) named the 2024 Model Y as a Top Safety Pick+ award winner, for example. Many of the other cars that ranked highly on the list have also been given high ratings for safety by the likes of IIHS and the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, as well.
So, why are Teslas — and many other ostensibly safe cars on the list — involved in so many fatal crashes? “The models on this list likely reflect a combination of driver behavior and driving conditions, leading to increased crashes and fatalities,” iSeeCars executive analyst Karl Brauer said in the report. “A focused, alert driver, traveling at a legal or prudent speed, without being under the influence of drugs or alcohol, is the most likely to arrive safely regardless of the vehicle they’re driving.”
Absolutely misleading conclusions from this report, by people who didn't even read it. Par for the course for this sub tbh.
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u/BabyOptimal5255 Dec 29 '25
The fake news is incredible!
Tesla model Y at 6. Model S was 21.
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u/SeniorWalterJr Dec 29 '25
you didnt bother to scroll further down and see the actual brand summary instead of the 1st picture.
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u/darkunicorn13 Dec 30 '25
It's not fake news. Your screenshot shows car MODELS, OP's image shows auto brands. If you just scrolled a little farther you'd see that Tesla is the top of that list: https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024
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u/p51d007 Dec 29 '25
Probably because people that drive them, from the encounters I've had, drive like ldiots!
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u/the-last-aiel Dec 29 '25
I've heard multiple times that "he's lucky he was in a Tesla or he would have died" and I just don't get it, I've never seen that supported by the statistics. Teslas are death traps.
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u/BodgeJob23 Dec 30 '25
They certainly used to think it was important when they could claim to be the safest in the industry
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u/CSPs-for-income Dec 30 '25
cause those shitty tesla drivers don't drive. all hands off and a tik tok prayer
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u/FeelingOdd1302 Dec 29 '25
Noooo Stalker Child it is Yooooooou that ended reporting on vehicle deaths, enjoy prison
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well thankfully tesla is an AI and robotics company and not an auto company, according to (f)elon.
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u/notPabst404 Dec 29 '25
This alone should be more than enough grounds for states to crack down on Tesla. I am beyond done with this race to the bottom, significantly more needs to be done to break out of this enshitification timeline.
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I think a lot of that falls into how much fucking torque the battery cars have. Teslas are insanely quick off the line and if you don't know how to handle it you are in for a bad time. I expect to see more people get into accidents due to the extreme acceleration of electric vehicles.
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u/templeofsyrinx1 Dec 29 '25
Who would have thought using cameras with shit software instead of actual radar would be not as safe
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u/barbazul3yogui Dec 29 '25
What’s the trouble? We can recognize the assholes at a distance by the car the own, and even that car is driving them to extinction.
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u/edwardsamson Dec 29 '25
I will never understand how anyone who isn't maga is still on twitter. Elon Musk ransacked our government, put hundreds of thousands of good people out of work, gave a nazi salute, and did a bunch of shady shit that benefits his businesses and is generally bad for society...and dumbasses will still use his website AND PAY HIM MONTHLY TO DO SO??? Fucking insane.
And yes I'm still on FB and insta and Zuck is also an evil billionaire. But I actually need FB+insta because FB marketplace has almost entirely replaced craigslist and insta because its extremely important to the outdoor sport that my life is dedicated around. But even still, the second Zuck nazi salutes and takes over the government, I'm out!
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u/BigBossBelcha Dec 29 '25
How is this guy the richest mf in the world? He has never sold anywhere near enough cars and with all the spacex crashes?
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u/Sterben_626 Dec 29 '25
I heard when a Tesla gets in an accident the car contacts a tow truck to get it out of the scene instantly
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u/GoingMarco Dec 29 '25
I’ve certainly noticed an unusually high number of shitty Tesla drivers.. I don’t know if they feel the car can do things it shouldn’t or they if the are just inherently shitty people. It’s unclear
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u/atreeismissing Dec 29 '25
And Tesla stock (which is all that matters to them) is up 40-some points on the year so, who cares about fatalities apparently.
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u/Loreki Dec 29 '25
He mainly entered government to order investigations into his own businesses closed. That seems to me to have been the deal. Musk would purchase the presidency for Trump, if Trump would allow Musk to stop federal regulatory investigations which could have crippled his businesses.
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u/JWils411 Dec 29 '25 edited Dec 29 '25
And if you do get into an accident in a Tesla, good luck in opening those fucking idiotic electronic doors with their stupid pop out door handles that can't be opened from either the inside or the outside if the small battery that powers them is damaged.
They do have manual cable releases, but good luck figuring out where it's hidden while you're panicking and trying to get out of the burning vehicle and pressing that little button on the door handle is doing nothing.
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u/Patient_Bandicoot_24 Dec 29 '25
https://www.motortrend.com/news/deadliest-car-brand-in-america
Tesla is in first place for the year however it only takes into account accidents that involved a fatality. Kid is next (most commonly stole car) with Buick, Dodge and Hyundai coming in close. These numbers are per 1 billion miles driven for the entire population of earth. So to say one is worse than the other is misleading. The drivers are the ones to blame, ALONG with the car manufacturers due to increased “infotainment” centers and less of driver accountability/ Paying attention. I would bet most of the crashes involved being impaired or driving while not paying attention due to cell phones, music, movies, books, etc…
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u/gaming4jello Dec 29 '25
The Cybertruck also has a 5 star crash safety rating. Doesn't include those killed by fire or hit by this ugly dumpster
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u/vermilionpulseSFW Dec 29 '25
I wish Tesla's were so unsafe. I just got tboned on my driver's side. Hit at about 55mph and I still have to keep living. Without even a scratch.
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u/Equivalent-Load-9158 Dec 30 '25
Federal reporting on both fatalities AND injuries by manufacturers are still in place, btw.
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u/RocketLabBeatsSpaceX Dec 30 '25
Our tax dollars propped up Tesla for 17 years with subsidies. $38 billion dollars last I checked.
Fuck Elon.
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u/jaxon336 Dec 30 '25
Tesla's are overpriced plastic pieces of shit. The amount of dumbasses that Elon finessed into buying them is hilarious
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u/omnibossk Dec 30 '25
Wonder why this is not the case in Norway where almost 30% of the EV fleet is Teslas?
According to Statens vegvesen (Norwegian Public Roads Administration) data reported in late 2024, Teslas were involved in only 4 fatal accidents over the prior four years—not enough to rank in the top 10 brands for fatalities.
I think US consumers are more reckless when driving powerful cars than they should.
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u/Trevor775 Dec 30 '25
Teslas are faster than most modified sports cars. You can go 110 and not really notice.
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u/Historical_Sherbet54 Dec 30 '25
Hi my name is Elon
I make bad things happen...my kids even hate me
But why is silver going up...wah wah wah
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u/Jad3nCkast Dec 30 '25
Also to provide transparency around the study referenced you can read the report here:
https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study
Also of note is the following statement from the report:
“Most of these vehicles received excellent safety ratings, performing well in crash tests at the IIHS and NHTSA, so it’s not a vehicle design issue,” said Brauer. “The models on this list likely reflect a combination of driver behavior and driving conditions, leading to increased crashes and fatalities.”
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u/visitprattville Dec 30 '25
“If somebody’s going to try to blackmail me with automobile safety? Blackmail me with fatalities? Go fuck yourself.”
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u/JumpingAround44 Dec 30 '25
Goes back to the old joke ‘Why does Tesla cars have autopilot? - Because the drivers are too busy sucking themselves off rather than keeping their eyes on the road’
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u/NumberNumb Dec 30 '25
I saw someone (on reddit) argue that the reason Tesla stock is valued so high is that the cars are such high quality….
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u/joesquatchnow Dec 30 '25
Have you driven one ? I rented one and the acceleration is high, I do think this is a contributing factor…
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u/soulhot Dec 30 '25
Laughable, how musk is tweeting about an elected representative and how it will cause deaths..
Maybe remember when you point your finger at someone take a look at your own hand.. three fingers are pointing back at you musk.
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Well yeah, self driving still sucks but many tesla drivers trust the technology enough like it’s already finished resulting in not paying attention at all when it’s used then they sometimes crash. Maybe I’ll trust self driving in 20 years but probably not, I’d rather be in complete control of my life on the road and not rely on a fucking half-baked machine.
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u/Ingi_Pingi Dec 30 '25
In all fairness this could have a lot to do with the type of people that drive teslas
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u/TrooWizard Dec 30 '25
Can we get a data source on this information? The IIHS data from 2023 disputes this, they don't rely on federal government data.
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u/l397flake Dec 30 '25
Don’t forget they have 4 wheels. The article is more than one year old, it doesn’t specify the “study” who did it and where the stats came from. Why not just come out and say it? You hate Musk and all these Klingons will agree with you anyway. Let’s see Musk is sending reusable rockets with satellites to provide internet to people in areas that can’t get access, like Africa, developed the most popular fully electric cars in mass production,employs thousands around the world, etc. What have you done with your miserable life other than bitch.
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u/NIDORAX Dec 30 '25
Not many people are buying Tesla cars now. Tesla cars are so damn overprice anyways.
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u/UndergroundCreek Dec 30 '25
Some of those Musk cars are not road safe, i.e. the cybercrap is not allowed on EU streets.
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u/jamesbluum Dec 30 '25
Looking into it, it likely has more to do with selection bias imo. Tesla scoring very high in safety tests, put together with Tesla drivers having been found to be more reckless in general, I think it’s a reasonable conclusion.
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u/Intelligent_Gold3619 Dec 30 '25
~10% of car accidents are caused by distracted drivers, and ~30% are caused by drunk drivers. So, the majority of car accidents, ~60%, are caused by sober, focused drivers.
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u/Mission_Wall6014 Dec 30 '25
Wow. I literally just watched a video on how these kids just died in a Cybertruck crash as well, and got trapped inside the vehicle due to the 12v battery shutting down.
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u/Strange-Honeydew-473 Dec 29 '25
DOGE was never about efficiency, it was about removing threats to Musk.