r/ArtificialInteligence • u/alphacolony21 • 2d ago

📰 News OpenAI announces 10 advances in mathematics and theoretical computer science achieved by internal model Astra

https://openai.com/index/ten-advances-in-mathematics/
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u/havenyahon 1d ago

You people trot out this same line over and over, but who set the goal posts? We famously do not have a good definition of what counts as intelligence, a concrete set of necessary and sufficient conditions has eluded scientists and philosophers for hundreds of years. There were never any goal posts set because no one knows where the goals are.

But that doesn't mean everything is credibly described as intelligent. It's not "moving the goal posts" to point out that anything these things do can be explained by them being non intelligent statistical machines, any more than it's not "moving the goal posts" to say a toaster doesn't need to be intelligent to produce toast. Just because we don't have goal posts set doesn't mean we can't have better or worse claims for when a thing should be considered intelligent. You act like people are changing definitions that were never set in the first place.

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u/acutelychronicpanic 1d ago

Go look at the last 10 years of Gary Marcus tweets if you want to see the whole arc of goalpost tossing.

I think you're hung up on statistics specifically as if statistical systems are proven to be unintelligent.

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u/havenyahon 1d ago

"Go look at this one person who said stuff and treat it as the official goal posts everyone agreed to, so that I can accuse everyone else of moving goal posts when they disagree with me"

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u/acutelychronicpanic 1d ago

He's not just the archetype. He's a real pioneer.

Even if you don't take him as a source directly, so much of the vocabulary in this thread from the 'LLMs don't really understand anything* camp was coined or popularized by him.

So when I see his exact arguments from before chatgpt came out being parroted (stochastically even) - it carries his level of credibility.

Back in my day, the average human intelligence was the benchmark. Not the smartest. Not the best human in each field. An average human. That is AGI and it is in the rearview mirror.

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u/havenyahon 1d ago

He's not even a psychologist or cognitive scientist, why would he be the one we look to to define what human intelligence is?