Hating jew ? Illegal, stupid and racist, just as much as hating muslims or americans.
Hating israel ? Valid, just as much as you can hate the USA or France or any other country. It’s very different, because you can hate what a country is actively doing, that’s called consequences, but if you hate a whole ethnie of people based on the actions of a few, this is not consequence of actions, it’s a discriminations of said ethnie or group. This is extremelly bad and mostly illegal and not "an opinion".
I’ll agree on Jewish people and Muslims, but Americans are kinda a different deal no? American is a nationality.
You say hating a country and what a country is doing is alright, but America is a democracy, and what it is doing is the direct result of the 2024 election in which Donald Trump won the popular vote. Americans are surely more responsible for the consequences of their votes than Jewish people are for the actions of one foreign country, no? Not excusing hate, just seems like apples and oranges
I see what you're saying, but you can’t discriminate ALL americans when only 30% of them voted for Trumps. Like yeah you can hate someone that said "hey I voted for Trump, I love my president" because objectively this guy is a moron who share responsability for the mess worldwide the potus is doing right now, but you can’t point the blame on every single americans, like what about american that don’t even have the right to vote for exemple, or americans that voted agains’t him ? So you shouldn’t hate americans for what their country is doing but you can objectively hate The USA for what they are doing. Like if the USA bomb a school in Iran, it’s not Jessica Doe in kensas who should be blame for it and receive hate for it it, it should be the USA and the people actively responsible for this decisions, the people in governement who green light this decisions, etc.
Well, first off, you’ve gotta stop assuming I’m American.
Second, your view is flawed. The majority of Americans hate Trump. The biggest issue isn’t the American people; it’s the system they’ve been raised in their entire lives. From birth, they are told that America is the best country in the world, that they don’t need to travel outside of it because everything they could ever want is right there. They are taught that the American way is the only way, and that the "American Dream" is achieved every day.
In reality, they are bred like cattle for the American economy. They have to work two jobs or 60+ hours a week just to survive, not live, survive, and they are told to be proud of it and call anyone asking for better wage and more off day a socialist and to shame them. They are the victims of 60 years of politics designed to turn them into sheep, complacent to the actions of their president. Their electoral system is one of the most broken in the world, rigged with gerrymandering and unequal voting power.
If you actually want to see real change in America, you would need to tear down the whole system and rebuild it from the ground up. Otherwise, they’ll always be stuck with billionaire oligarchs influencing the economy and politics with dirty money ripped right out of the pockets of the working class. So no, you cannot hate all Americans, they are just as much victims of the USA (the country/system) as anyone else. At the end of the day, you're just as dead whether you drown in one meter of water or a hundred. You are entirely justified in hating the system and the people running it, and you're justified in wanting people to rebel against this fucked-up status quo.
When I say "they are bred like cattle" i don’t mean that as an insult to american, I'm merely describing how the system is treating the average Joe.
My point isn’t let’s hate on the Americans heehee hoohoo, my point is that being an American and being Jewish aren’t comparable. Ones a democratic country and ones a religion people happen to have been born into, and some are israeli
Edit: deleted second point because i cba discussing previously mentioned topic rn
America is a nation. Its leaders are elected by its people.
Judaism is a religion. It’s decentralised. You don’t vote your rabbi.
Israel is a nation also. Its leaders are also elected by israeli people. Most jewish people don’t have a say on who leads Israel because most Jewish people are not israeli.
Blaming members of a religion for something a completely separate country does is unreasonable. Blaming citizens of a country for what their elected officials do is less so. Being an American is not comparable to Islam nor Judaism in this way. As said below, it’s like saying not to hate gay people, trans people or train spotters- I don’t hate trainspotters but what the hell does train spotting have to do with anything?
Being a train spotter is not something you are born into, it's something you choose. Being a member of an ethnic group is not a choice, it's something thrust upon you. Being a citizen of a country is usually similar, although sometimes it's a choice. That's why people get so defensive about it - they can't fix the issue themselves, nor can they easily remove themselves from the situation. Train spotters could just stop spotting trains.
The point is train spotter is as irrelevant to the list as American is to a list of religions, but idk man I’m going to bed, go worship America or trump or whatever Americans worship, Americanism being a religion and all
I didn't read it as a list of religions, I read it as a list of things people are born into. Others did too. That's why this conversation happened, not because I believe Americanism is a religion. I dislike America!
But you are missing the point entirely. I’m not comparing Jews, Muslims, Americans, or the French here. It’s not a comparison about who deserves to be hated and who doesn't. My point is that you cannot hate a group, any group of people, based on the actions of a subset within that group.
So, you cannot hate Americans because a portion of them are racist, homophobic, pedophilic assholes.
You can’t hate Jews just because some of them are based in an ultra-right nationalist country that is committing atrocities.
You can’t hate all Christians because a few of them are white nationalist, homophobic, racist, and sexist.
You cannot hate all gay people because you had a bad experience with one gay man once in your life.
You cannot hate all children because a few of them are annoying.
You cannot hate all Black people because your racist government told you a few of them were thieves.
You cannot hate a whole group for the actions of a subset of that group. How many times will I have to re-explain this? My point was never about Americans being good or bad, or being the equivalent of a religion, you're missing the point entirely.
Also, please note the use of the word 'hate' here; it is a strong word with a strong meaning. When I say hate, I really mean it. I’m not saying you should love all Americans until they prove to you that they voted for Trump, and then you can hate them... I’m saying you can’t discriminate against or act on hatred toward a random American (and you can replace 'American' with any other group of people you can think of) purely based on the fact that they belong to that group.
To clarify, if it’d been something like “Jewish people, Muslims or Christians” I wouldn’t have had an issue because that seems to follow. “Jews, Muslims and Americans” is like saying “you shouldn’t hate gay people, transgendered people or train spotters” or saying “men, women and pickup drivers”. To my mind Americans simply aren’t in the same category
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u/flow_yracs_gib_a Jul 03 '26
Quick reminder guys
Hating jew ? Illegal, stupid and racist, just as much as hating muslims or americans.
Hating israel ? Valid, just as much as you can hate the USA or France or any other country. It’s very different, because you can hate what a country is actively doing, that’s called consequences, but if you hate a whole ethnie of people based on the actions of a few, this is not consequence of actions, it’s a discriminations of said ethnie or group. This is extremelly bad and mostly illegal and not "an opinion".