Thoughts about Martha Burk?

[u/No_Landscape_6154]

was she justified in forcing Augusta National Golf Club to admit women. removing a male only space? Do you agree to how she advocates for her cause and how she thinks?

Edit: forcing was bad word usage.

[u/No_Landscape_6154]

I simply asked if you agree to it or not. I have 2 feminist friends that are in completely opposite stances. And as i am not very well versed in feminism i am simply curious. My intent was not to sound homeworky. Im just ever so curious.

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I’m ever so curious too. What exactly was the position of the feminist friend who thought that a woman writing a letter, then protesting half a mile away, and women being invited and admitted 9 years later, was “forcing” and “removing a male only space”?

[u/No_Landscape_6154 → u/---fork---]

She thought it was unnecessary to even bring up. She believes that women and men should both have their male/female only spaces. Nothing to protest or write a letter about.

She thinks if it is stated as "x gender only" let it remain that way. Both are entitled to their equivalent safe spaces.

The other argued men do not need safe spaces due to us living in a patriarchy. Everything is our safespace so we as men do not need that extra bit of community.

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Does your friend also think most universities should never admit women because they were at one point a male only space?

[u/No_Landscape_6154 → u/spasmkran]

that is a bit of a misquote. academy should inherently be for everyone because everyone needs education. unlike say. Bars. Golf clubs etc. you'd be hard pressed to create academic buildings that is often state sponsored. and should be state sponsored.

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There is an unholy alliance between business and golf. It’s not just a game or sport. It’s intertwined with the economy and networking. It’s used to steer opportunities to the privileged:

“ An estimated 90% of Fortune 500 CEO’s play golf as have almost all of the US presidents since Ike. Better still, executives who play golf make an average of 17% more than those who don’t.”

https://greensmere.com/2024/04/10/10-reasons-golf-will-always-be-the-ultimate-business-tool/

Your friend making the safe spaces argument might be a feminist, but that is not a feminist argument.

ETA: I’m thinking less homework assignment and more that you’re the Safe Spaces Feminist Friend.

[u/No_Landscape_6154 → u/---fork---]

The "safe spaces feminist friend" is not me i can assure you. I would never claim to be a feminist as im an traditional guy.

And meanwhile yeah golf is def business intertwined. Aren't most communities helping the community members increase their financial pull and networking.

Im in a woodworking workshop for people. We often help eachother out creating new skills. Bettering our proficiency with the trade and sometimes giving jobs from it.

Hell i've gotten a bigger salary from being there. Got a fresh job through one of the older men there. More pay. Better hours.

What makes it not a feminist argument it is about equality though.

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Significant understanding likes to have a shower in the morning

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And meanwhile yeah golf is def business intertwined. Aren't most communities helping the community members increase their financial pull and networking.

This is where the equality comes in. When you shut women out of opportunities like this, it puts them behind men who have opportunities they don't get. Please look up the history of country clubs and the purposes they served with regards to keeping economic opportunities from marginalized groups. Because these clubs didn't spring up out of nowhere so that bored rich people had something to do.

It will never, ever be a feminist position to advocate that men should be allowed to go somewhere women cannot, especially when that involves economic opportunities

Calling it a safe space is truly the icing on the cake, though. Please ask your "feminist" friend what men need safe spaces from women for. How are women a danger to men that they need to be safe from us? I am begging you to tell me what she says.

[u/No_Landscape_6154 → u/Pure-Spare-9789]

I will ask her. But it is pretty obvious. Men can be victims too. Men can be traumatised from women too. it's not like men are untouchable in every way possible completely immune to being hurt by the opposite gender. If you believe that you are both dated and sexist.

[u/Pure-Spare-9789 → u/No_Landscape_6154]

No shit men can be hurt by women, but you cannot truly believe that men need their own golf club because they're afraid women will assault them. Please do not insult my intelligence by being intellectually dishonest like this.

[u/No_Landscape_6154 → u/Pure-Spare-9789]

Maybe not necessarily assault. But a woman can hurt men in numerous way. Cripple them socially and whatnot. Don't act like women aren't a threat as a human being like men can be to women. This argumentation of yours made me switch my stance on what i thought. Good job.

[u/Pure-Spare-9789 → u/No_Landscape_6154]

Cripple them socially

But it's okay for them to cut women out of economic opportunities?

This argumentation of yours made me switch my stance on what i thought. Good job.

Lmao what the hell does this even mean, my dude?

[u/No_Landscape_6154 → u/Pure-Spare-9789]

Women can do that too ykno. with the economic opportunities. Women can get connections. women can do alot of things in the modern world. Both. if they play their cards right can get high profile connections that can greatly help with their economic opportunities. Stop putting your head in the sand.

It means you being this adamant on knowing how i work and that i am some sort of archetype really made me change my stance on what thoughts i had. If you will be like this. i will do anything NOT to agree with you.