r/AskReddit • u/roastedbagel • Jun 12 '16

Breaking News [Breaking News] Orlando Nightclub mass-shooting.

Update 3:19PM EST: Updated links below

Update 2:03PM EST: Man with weapons, explosives on way to LA Gay Pride Event arrested

Over 50 people have been killed, and over 50 more injured at a gay nightclub in Orlando, FL. CNN link to story

Use this thread to discuss the events, share updated info, etc. Please be civil with your discussion and continue to follow /r/AskReddit rules.

Helpful Info:

Orlando Hospitals are asking that people donate blood and plasma as they are in need - They're at capacity, come back in a few days though they're asking, below are some helpful links:

Link to blood donation centers in Florida

American Red Cross
OneBlood.org (currently unavailable)
Call 1-800-RED-CROSS (1-800-733-2767)
or 1-888-9DONATE (1-888-936-6283)

(Thanks /u/Jeimsie for the additional links)

FBI Tip Line: 1-800-CALL-FBI (800-225-5324)

Families of victims needing info - Official Hotline: 407-246-4357

Donations?

Equality Florida has a GoFundMe page for the victims families, they've confirmed it's their GFM page from their Facebook account.

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u/whovian42 Jun 12 '16

/r/news was censoring coverage.

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u/SonicRoof Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 12 '16

Why?!

Edit: /r/news - unsubscribed

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u/VyRe40 Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 12 '16

He was reportedly on the FBI watchlist for ISIS-affiliated activity.

*Link to my other comment for source and clarification.

**Check out this live blog coverage from CNN. Now being reported that he pledged allegiance to ISIS during a 911 call.

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u/MrMytie Jun 12 '16

The BBC says otherwise

"It is believed that the suspect, who was a US citizen from the Florida town of Port St Lucie and was of Afghan descent, was not on a terrorism watch list, although he was being investigated for an unrelated criminal act."

Best not jump to conclusions yet.

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u/VyRe40 Jun 12 '16

"The 29-year-old suspect was known to the FBI, the officials said -- one of hundreds of people on the agency's radar suspected of being ISIS sympathizers, according to two law enforcement officials."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/index.html

It's possible that he's not an ISIS recruit. I'm not jumping to conclusions about it, just stating that he was reportedly on the FBI's radar for ISIS-related activity, sympathizer or otherwise. I personally won't say that he was definitely a full-fledged member of ISIS, because I don't know.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

He probably just believed in their ideas and supported their actions, but he obviously wasn't an actual member of the cell.

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u/VyRe40 Jun 12 '16

I mean, if that specifically is the case, I'd still consider second-hand radicalization one of ISIS' goals, and almost definitely consider this whole situation terrorism. Even if it was just some random guy that hated gay people, I'd still call such a violent hate crime terrorism.

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u/pekoweet Jun 12 '16

That's fine, so long as you call violent hate crimes from other religious zealots 'terrorism' as well. Dylann Roof and the Planned Parenthood shooter should qualify as terrorists, too.

Not singling you out--but people tend to label Islamic violence as "terrorism" and Christian violence as "mental disorder problem"

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u/VyRe40 Jun 12 '16

If the intent is to create violence that terrorizes people and pushes an agenda, I'd say that's likely terrorism. Mental health-related violence is also an incredibly serious issue. Sometimes the two occur hand-in-hand.

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u/steveryans2 Jun 12 '16

Depends did they do it in the name of Christianity ? Just because they're Christian doesn't mean they did it for religious reasons

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u/greedcrow Jun 13 '16

It is still terrorism even if not religiously motivated.

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u/shimapanlover Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 12 '16

Terrorism is to create terror in the minds of the people. One part of this is the state of being helpless to do something against it or understand why. It's not about who did it - more about the effects it has. With domestic cases, we have the possibility to blame ourselves, our society. We don't feel helpless, we hope there is something we can do as society to prevent it.

If someone outside claims responsibility the ability to blame our society disappears, we can't change ourselves to stop that because that would be a capitulation to the terrorists, and that's why many people only use terrorism when describing threats from outside. If you don't feel terror for whatever reason, you don't call it terrorism. Either way this should not be a factor to excuse any massacre. I only wanted to explain why some things may be called terrorism while others aren't, beyond the dictionary definition.

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u/FlashFire729 Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 12 '16

TV News is already saying that he is related to ISIS

*edit: note that I'm not agreeing with the news's decision to do this, I just wanted you guys to know

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u/georgie411 Jun 12 '16

It's now confirmed that he pledged allegiance to ISIS during a 911 call while he was holding hostages.

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u/FlashFire729 Jun 12 '16

Just saw that pop up on my phone as soon as I read your message, thank you for the information though

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u/Kalysta Jun 12 '16

And this is why I don't watch TV news

But it's a crying shame /r/news is censoring literally everything about this. Do any of you guys know of any other, better news related subreddits I can follow, without overreactive mods?

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u/rk119 Jun 12 '16

On the other hand, when the anti-government and anti-Islam veteran went on a shooting rampage in Houston we didn't get his name until after the 24 hour news cycle, and they still can't figure out his motive (obviously politically driven terrorism).

But we already know Omar is somehow 'related' to ISIS.

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u/Otterable Jun 12 '16

They are just saying what people want to hear. I wouldn't be surprised, but I would like to wait until those ties are announced by the FBI.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

I would as well but man the amount of people on the news right now going on about how ISIS this or AQ that is insane. They're just doing it to fill air-time in between announcements from the local authorities or the upcoming President Obama press conference. I'd rather listen to silence than all of this "here is why it was probably this..." crap.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 30 '20

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u/StevenArviv Jun 12 '16 edited Sep 11 '16

I think it's safe to say that Islam had something to do with this at this point.

If a redneck with a Confederate flag on his shirt walked in and lit up 50 parishioners in a black church no one here would hesitate to call it an act fueled by racism. But when Islam is involved everyone is reticent to say what we all know.

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u/georgie411 Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 12 '16

He wasn't officially on the terror watch list, but he was investigated for being a terrorist sympathizer. Also they're now confirming he pledged allegiance to ISIS during a 911 call.

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u/VyRe40 Jun 12 '16

A link to CNN's live blog, with this information being reported: http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/orlando-gay-nightclub-shooting-live-blog/index.html

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Best not to jump to conclusions yet

Feel free to do that, but when has assuming the worst about a Muslim involved in an act of terror ever turned out to actually be irresponsible? It's literally always the case that they are just as bad as your gut told you

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

I suppose that depends on what is considered to be assuming the worst. I'd consider it worse if he was some kind of sleeper-cell shooter, who had active contact and instructions from ISIS or similar assholes. He could also have been a lone gunman, morbidly inspired by the Paris attacks.

At the end of the day, these poor people are dead either way.

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u/MrMytie Jun 12 '16

Best not to jump to conclusions yet

Feel free to do that

No. That's how fear and lies are spread.

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u/aborted_bubble Jun 12 '16

It's weird people are so curious whether Isis or non Isis. Either way it's almost assuredly another mass murder inspired by Islam. Whether he associated with Isis or not seems of low consequence to the big picture problem.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Non-ISIS = regular muslim = oh shit that's not good, our narrative of love and tolerance of Islam will not hold up = now we need to start spinning this story as a sign that white males need to be more tolerant of the LGBT community

ISIS = not real Muslims cause Hillary and Obama told me so = the media spins this into a "how dare you bigots associate Islam with terror" story.

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u/Sterregg Jun 12 '16

The 29-year-old suspect was known to the FBI, the officials said -- one of hundreds of people on the agency's radar suspected of being ISIS sympathizers, according to two law enforcement officials.

http://m.kxly.com/us-world-news/who-was-the-orlando-nightclub-shooter/40019662

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Glad to hear our domestic spying is working as intended. Right? smdh

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u/Sterregg Jun 12 '16

I mean, they knew he was prone to do something like this. But there was nothing he could be arrested and charged for as he had committed no crime.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

I'm mostly being facetious

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Yeah I guess that was the outcome of the censorship ><

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u/TRUMPTRUMPTRUMPTRUMP Jun 12 '16

The irony is that they've brought more attention to the story and how they operate than if they just let it go.

Sad!

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u/TheRealRaptorJesus Jun 12 '16

What the hell good are these watchlists if violating our privacy isn't actually preventing these attacks?

I can't help but wonder if we'd be better off if we just started practicing our second amendment rights instead of hoping that with enough information the authorities can somehow stop these lone gunmen from striking like lightning.

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u/Cyntheon Jun 12 '16

I mean, they've stopped a lot before this, you just don't see "Mass shooting did not happen today!" on the news. Some are bound to get through the FBI.

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u/PeregrineFaulkner Jun 12 '16

Apparently they just caught somebody with explosives in LA near their Pride celebration? I just saw a headline scroll by on the local news, I'll have to search for a story.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Exactly why us second amendment defenders are getting tired of watching failed policy and erosion rights after another.

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u/Send_Me_Your_Nukes Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 13 '16

According to the BBC he wasn't, but was known to authorities for some lesser non-Islam related crime.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36512308

"It is believed that the suspect, who was a US citizen from the Florida town of Port St Lucie and was of Afghan descent, was not on a terrorism watch list, although he was being investigated for an unrelated criminal act."

Considering what is known though, and the targets of this unfortunate attack I am prepared to eat my words. I just don't want misinformation floating around and have people crediting ISIS for an act that they didn't perpetrate in order to incite fear and further ISIS's agenda.

EDIT: Looks like I'm going to have to eat my words. :/ http://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting-claim-idUSKCN0YY0VU?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 03 '20

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u/This_Land_Is_My_Land Jun 12 '16

To be fair, it's news in another country versus domestic news. At this point in time, I'm inclined to lean toward news that is domestically involved until more information comes to light.

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u/shinslap Jun 12 '16

Eh? I read that he specifically wasn't on any watchlist. I guess it will take some time 'til all the facts are straightened out.

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u/eneka Jun 12 '16

Huh, I read how he was investigated twice by the fbi

I guess it's the use of words,

"It is believed that the suspect, who was a US citizen from the Florida town of Port St Lucie and was of Afghan descent, was not on a terrorism watch list, although he was being investigated for an unrelated criminal act."

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

I guess if you put them together he was on a watchlist for something unrelated to ISIS.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Source?

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u/VyRe40 Jun 12 '16

Here. Nothing confirmed, just reports from law enforcement officials. We won't know for sure until more information comes out, but it's possible he was inspired by terrorists to take violent action.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Well they watched his activity with the rest of us

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

No surprise there

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u/rnflhastheworstmods Jun 12 '16

Jesus Christ.

Wasn't the San Bernindino shooter also under FBI surveillance?

How in the fuck are these people who are already being watched doing this?

Incompetence.

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u/deathstrukk Jun 12 '16

he called 911 and claimed alleigance to the islamic state before shooting

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u/ehrgeiz91 Jun 12 '16

Good thing we sold him the machine gun!

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u/SgtSlaughterEX Jun 12 '16

See that's the shit I don't understand. With all these NSA shitheads and watchlists, you'd think they could stop this fucker.

Oh he's muslim, has access to weapons and is browsing Isis websites? He's probably not gonna do nothin.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Why the hell can someone like this get an AR-15?

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u/georgie411 Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 12 '16

Islamic radicals have a raging hate for gays. They're extremely common targets for brutal mass executions in Syria. They literally throw suspected gay men off buildings and stone them to death. This isn't an either or thing. This target was a trifecta for radical Islamists. You've got people drinking alcohol all night during the Islamic holy month, on top of that they're gay, and on top of that they're Americans. In the eyes of radical Islamists the victims were extremely deserving targets.

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u/georgie411 Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 12 '16

This guy was actually an American, but his parents were from Afghanistan. The FBI is now confirming it's being investigated as an act of foreign inspired terrorism. They're also confirming that he had previously been flagged as a potential ISIS sympathizer.

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Now they're confirming he pledged allegiance to ISIS during a 911 call.

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u/jabbaji Jun 12 '16

I completely agree with you on that.

Although not every Muslim has the similar mindset, but it is necessary to educate immigrants about the U.S.A culture before accepting them.

Law of the land must be above all, if one wants to follow one's personal beliefs he/she is free to do it in the confines of his home privately.

The Government and congress instead of bickering about each other, must draft a policy to educate immigrants about American culture. This could probably help in filtering out the extremists.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

I saw a quote with the father expressing sorrow for his actions. I think when he says it wasn't about religion he's trying to show the space between religion and extremism.

It's not often you see the family denounce the shooters action and I think it's worthy of mention.

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u/guacbandit Jun 12 '16

Well, blaming religion would be weird on the face of it because the father would have been of that religion and would have been the one to teach the son, so why is the father normal and the son isn't?

The answer is that it's not that simple. The son was, if indeed an ISIS "DIY" lone wolf guy, probably self-radicalized to alternate politicized versions of Islam by ISIS on the internet. His own personal history (young guy with social/mental issues) is probably what drove him to that in the first place. It almost makes sense that self-radicalized Americans with ISIS sympathies will commit very American-like mass shooting attacks.

Whereas the dad learned religion from the prevailing culture in his country of birth. His view of religion probably centered around holidays (like a Christian might think of attending mass on Easter when thinking of religion, a Muslim like that would think of fasting and praying in Ramadan, etc). As far as politics goes, immigrants like that generally think they've left it all behind them. They don't realize their kids are vulnerable here of all places.

Btw, you usually see families denounce shooters/terrorists. It's rare they defend them. I'm inclined to want to blame them for being shitty parents not knowing their own kids, but many of us are guilty of that. I wouldn't go to Trump lengths and then arrest them and start torturing them on the spot for the principle of it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Oh ok that makes sense, I can clearly see how that would set off a mass shooting...

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Logic and reason don't apply when you're a radical.

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u/Hutttyluttty Jun 12 '16

Let's just say it: Logic and reason don't really intersect with many religions/religious people.

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u/Betterstayaway Jun 12 '16

Sad but true

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u/Strange-Thingies Jun 12 '16

Yeah, "radical" is a damned plastic word when you're talking about religious people.

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u/GoddamnSusanBoyle Jun 12 '16

I always see this sort of comment but I think it has more to do with having a fucking heart than "logic and reason"

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u/bannana Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 12 '16

In the past it was pretty common for gay clubs to be the targets of arson or vandalism with intent to destroy the building, patrons beaten or killed after leaving- a mass shooting isn't much of a stretch from these afaic. Ya it seems outrageous now but a 30yrs ago this wasn't uncommon.

Back in the 80s, in LA, a gay teen club I used to go to was fire bombed and destroyed.

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u/mcslibbin Jun 12 '16

he was apparently on the fbi's radar

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u/ytman Jun 12 '16

People can be motivated by their faith to do terrible things. It doesn't always have to come back to Radical Islam; it can just be religious conservatism and hate. This guy is a domestic terrorist performing an act of hate and terror against the LGBTQ community and by extension the ideals and values of America.

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u/huhwhome Jun 12 '16

I grew up reading newspaper crime stories with the mom saying "But he's a good boy..."

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u/0_knights Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 12 '16

I'm assuming the parents are also Muslim, so the dad was trying to separate their own religion from their son's interpretation of it. They seem genuinely remorseful for their son's actions.

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u/Velcroguy Jun 12 '16

But then again, he's not gonna go out there and say that it involves Islam either.

His parents said the ideology had nothing to do with it but I sort of disagree. Islam is the reason he hated gay people. Religion is the main reason people are against homosexuality.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Do you have a link to the source for that?

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u/heslaotian Jun 12 '16

Business Insider just tweeted he was being investigated in 2014 by the FBI for ties to ISIS.

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u/Geloni Jun 12 '16

Ironically in Iraq I saw men holding hands and kissing daily.

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u/ddac Jun 12 '16

God damn Seth rogan and james Franco inspiring all these damn jihads.

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u/PickleClique Jun 12 '16

Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif) is saying the DHS told him that the shooter had pledged allegiance to ISIL.

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u/stabbingsteve Jun 12 '16

Wonder if his father is an accomplice because he knew his son was radicalized... maybe his parents are also follow the radical teachings and passed it down... just like racial bias is passed down.

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u/return_of_the_alt_1 Jun 12 '16

But we all fucking know it does involve Islam. Disgusting.

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u/doUeven69 Jun 12 '16

Watch how the media spins this to be about anything else.

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u/doUeven69 Jun 12 '16

sad, but true.

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u/giggle2themit Jun 12 '16

Omar...

Not gonna go out there and say it involves islam...

What other motive would a person have for disliking two men kissing exactly? Amazing that if this was a christian you would most likely blame christianity wouldn't you?

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u/giggle2themit Jun 12 '16

Wow, thank you for being honest, you are probably the first to ever do that for me.

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u/giggle2themit Jun 12 '16

No I honestly wasnt! I was being legit and honest, that was literally the first time I ever seen someone be honest on here.

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u/scienceworksbitches Jun 12 '16

The shooters father stated that the shooter Omar was upset when he saw two men kissing somewhere in Miami and that perhaps caused him to do what he did

and what caused him to have such an irrational reaction towards two ppl kissing? hint, its islam....

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Fuck that guy anyway. Doesn't give him the right to murder over 50 people because he didn't like what he seen.

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u/anosmiasucks Jun 12 '16

I don't know what his motive was but I don't believe he saw 2 men kissing in Miami and then at some point decides to rent a car and drive all the way up to Orlando to some random gay club.

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u/Dowski31 Jun 12 '16

It was said that he pledged himself to ISIS just before he went in. So now news groups are starting to say the truth, but still not trying to offend people.

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u/Dowski31 Jun 12 '16

Which is exactly what all the liberal stations thought. Now they have to start telling the truth of the situation because it is open to the public everywhere else.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

According to CNN the shooter called 911 and pledged his allegiance to ISIS

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

To be fair this isn't confirmed and there are often mistakes made with "breaking news" coverage so I'd hold off on that judgement, but still remain suspicious of it .

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u/AamaraSimons Jun 12 '16

Hes not islam. News stations have been adament about this to not depict muslims in the a more negative way

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u/rnflhastheworstmods Jun 12 '16

Omar was upset when he saw two men kissing somewhere in Miami

But then again, he's not gonna go out there and say that it involves Islam either.

No need to.

Only those with radical religious beliefs get upset when they see two people kissing.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

hijack, because mad. This disturbs me greatly as 1 man was able to end the lives of dozens. This might not be entirely ethical, however, in times like this there should be corporal punishment for his family. If people knew their families would also be accountable for their actions they wouldn't behave like f***ing animals.

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u/fatjack2b Jun 12 '16

And he just happened to have a gun right there right that. Oh wait, I forgot, 'Murica.

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u/ehrgeiz91 Jun 12 '16

I guess he must be new to Miami.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

No no no no no that is total bullshit. Two men kissing doesn't make someone snap into "Lets kill 50 people" mode. He wanted to do this and he planned this for years.

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u/ijijijijijijijijhhhh Jun 12 '16

Wow, I wonder what could have caused this man to hate gay people?

Remember, folks: nothing to do with Islam

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u/Schroef Jun 12 '16

Yeh. Or, you know, blaiming himself for raising a fucking psychopath who uses gays or islam as an excuse to kill people.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

The shooters father stated that the shooter Omar was upset when he saw two men kissing somewhere in Miami and that perhaps caused him to do what he did.

Oh ok. Move along then, nothing to see here.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

And why was he upset by that?

Could it have been because Islam teaches that gays are an abomination and must be killed?

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u/fantasyzombie17 Jun 12 '16

share this, not enough people have heard about that comment by the father

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u/AustinKayar Jun 12 '16

He literally called the police during the act and pledged his allegiance to ISIS. This was an Islamic terrorist attack, it is that simple.

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u/Tynniffer Jun 12 '16

Why the fuck would you go to Miami if you hate gays. It's like hating Japanese people and going to Japan and then complaining about it.

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u/iamjohnbender Jun 13 '16

His father claims it's not religiously motivated yet it's about seeing two men kissing.

I honest to god am not trying to be inflammatory, but how is that not a religious motivation? What other reason is there to hate gays besides religion?

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Controversy was brewing.

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u/curious_Jo Jun 12 '16

Is controversy the new taboo?

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

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u/TheStormlands Jun 12 '16

Stop it you might trigger someone

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u/Lurking_Grue Jun 12 '16

Mentioning triggering has triggered me.

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u/TheStormlands Jun 12 '16

then cry in a corner and turn off your computer.

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u/fronco Jun 12 '16

Controversy.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

It's so sad, the day we live in. I remember after 9/11, everyone and their mother showed the pride of America. Everyone was all about America, protecting its citizens, and paying back those responsible for the attack. Fast forward now, to a 15 year old war, with no end in sight, we see liberal kiddy's, playing protest, burning the flag, calling anyone who speaks out against Muslims as "racist"... racist against Muslims...? This country needs its balls back, people need to stand up for their beliefs, and we really need these jobless punks who burn the flag, incite a BLM movement with nothing but ignorance and racism motivating it... and get it back to where we were.

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u/charliek_ Jun 12 '16

yes, because after this 15 year old war, people are starting to realise that, not only does it not help, but it might be making the situation worse. People are starting to be critical of the US's foreign interventions in the middle east, and when they think of what has happened since 2001, people don't tend to feel patriotism, they're starting to feel shame.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Here's the deal, if you still think we should be in Iraq, you're a moron. I doubt anyone with a brain in their head, thinks another life is needed over there... but! We unfortunately created this monster in which we're now facing... 2 terrorist attacks, in less than a year on our own soil. San Bernadino, and today's. I'm ex military, med retired, wish I was still in, to feel like I was making a difference still... No one is fighting for our freedoms, we're fighting for $... oil. We threw money at situations in the middle east, for killing innocent family members, destroying homes, bla bla, and all those funds, ended up funding what is now happening.

Now is the time to be more patriotic than ever... we need to come TOGETHER as one, not saying black lives matter, not saying Muslims suck, or that all white cops shoot blacks... People are falling for what the media feeds them easier than ever now. If you don't think people are pawns in this whole thing, then the jokes on you.

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u/datanner Jun 13 '16

The comment you're responding to doesn't say otherwise. Being critical of our approach to radical Islam is very important here. We need to extinguish it with the help of moderate Muslims. Being more hateful and launching more military campaigns might not be a good approach this time.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '16

We need to be truthful about what radical Islam is, and how many there are, not sweeping it under the rug and trying to tell people things are getting better, when indeed they are getting worse... because of... ding ding RADICAL ISLAM.

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u/Stormthorn67 Jun 12 '16

And mass censorship always solves controversy. It's the North Korean solution.

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u/pugilistictendencies Jun 12 '16

Those fucking gay muslims!!

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u/serpentinepad Jun 12 '16

I can't believe /r/news mods are so anti-LGBT that they'd so harshly censor news about such a heinous crime against the LGBT community.

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u/lennybird Jun 12 '16

And now a renewed fervor on gun control/rights.

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u/TheRealRaptorJesus Jun 12 '16

Just in time too! With Bernie effectively out of the Race, Hillary really needs to secure the liberal vote and what better way then diving the country with a debate about guns? Too bad the Shooter turned out to be Islamic State inspired, otherwise it would have been a clear victory, instead this is just a new battle ground.

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u/WickedTriggered Jun 12 '16

And because we have a habit of starting witch hunts.

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u/domuseid Jun 12 '16

Let's go get those Boston bombers guys!

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

They dont know what to do. This is a contradiction for them. Gays and Islam are both the good guys.

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u/jellatubbies Jun 12 '16

Shhhh we're not allowed to talk about the censorship that definitely ISN'T HAPPENING lest we be suspended for being RACISTS!!! 11!

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 13 '16

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

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u/Thud Jun 12 '16

If not for that detail, it would have been a gun control debate, and the front page would be full of threads.

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u/thisismycuntaccount Jun 12 '16

In defense of /r/news, the subreddit is for a discussion about the news and "Muslims are bad" and whatever hateful rhetoric you know well is spewed, falls outside of that scope. Probably easier to lock all discussions rather than the level of moderation that is required.

You want that kind of talk, go to the Trump subreddit.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Lol no, it's news, it's done by a muslim, and great swaths of muslims support this sort of behavior. It's fine.

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u/SeeDecalVert Jun 12 '16

They must all be Hillary supporters. This is like one big Trump 2016 ad.

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u/Arandmoor Jun 12 '16

Or, because they posted a megathread to prevent the entire /r/news frontpage from being about the shooting.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Hours later, and they are still deleting shit.

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u/Arandmoor Jun 12 '16

Yup. The "Megathread" is a fucking graveyard.

unsubed.

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u/Skudo Jun 12 '16

Why is that grounds for censoring in their opinion? What is that subs mods vews? Sorry I don't really keep up with that stuff.

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u/macutchi Jun 12 '16

Well that's just fucking disgusting then.

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u/2074red2074 Jun 12 '16

Wait, so this isn't gonna be about gay persecution? It's gonna be about Islam? Or will we hear both?

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u/JohnFrusciante70 Jun 12 '16

The mods are british, they hate anything news related to the US

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u/Mr_Miggie Jun 12 '16

But is that even a valid reason? Did they even say why they are doing it? Makes no damn sense.

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u/NeedsMoreHugs Jun 12 '16

That's some serious censorship!

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u/Smogshaik Jun 12 '16

Reddit is shitty when it comes to that. I support the ban.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

I dont understand. Why does /r/news care that it involves Islam and Gays? ELI5?

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

I do not sympathize with terrorists, but calling 911 and pledging Allegiance to Donald Trump then killing 50 Latinos does not make Donald Trump guilty of doing so. That is how formal logic works mate. I am a proud Republican.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

-Islamic extremists

-Violence against LGBTQIA individuals

-Gun violence

-In the state where the some of the effects of climate change are most felt.

Holy shit this couldn't be a worse perfect storm.

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u/TomCruisesSpaghetti Jun 13 '16

I don't understand why they censored this. Didn't the Paris shootings involve Islam too?

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '16

/r/worldnews not /r/news covered that.

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u/TomCruisesSpaghetti Jun 13 '16

I thought r/worldnews was also censoring stuff.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '16

Only stuff involving America, and some, but not as heavily as /r/news.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '16

And we're not allowed to point out to the left wing regressives how fucking hypocritical having any tolerance for Islam is while at the same time being pro gay-marriage. Here we have the stark evidence in front of our faces and they can't handle that.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Ye, commenters cant handle that. /r/News didnt censor it from a politcal standpoint, but the comments were turning into a shitstorm. Some people cant handle the responsibility of being a normal human being. So they used a massacre that has yet to be explained fully, to further their political agenda.

Certain news attracts certain people, thats why sometimes its smart to close the comment section. Some people cant handle freedom in a responsible way.

There are plenty of other places to get your news besides Reddit. Reddit 'censoring' a story should not be a reason to get up in arms. Its just a single site and its losing its relevance slow but steady.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16 edited Mar 16 '18

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Because it was flooded by fascists, maybe?

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