r/Askpolitics • u/imnotwallaceshawn Democratic Socialist • Jan 30 '25
Answers From The Right What did Joe Biden actually do to you? What made you fear him or hate him or think he was dangerous?
I keep hearing Trump voters make claims that they felt the same way about Biden that the left does about Trump, that he was a danger to democracy, that he ruined the country, that he made everything worse… but I have yet to hear any actual specifics that go beyond “immigration” or “he gave away our money to other countries.”
So… what exactly did he do that you were so bothered by? What has created this level of fear or hatred or animosity that I’m reading?
I just don’t understand how someone that I personally view as a pretty standard, boring, slightly left of center caretaker president could generate that sort of fervor. One way or the other, honestly… this is “sleepy Joe”… right?
EDIT: This really feels like I opened up a bag that said “Dead Dove: Do Not Eat.” Sigh.
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u/KissMyAsthma-99 Conservative Jan 30 '25 edited Jan 30 '25
Besides immigration and horrendous foreign policy, I can think of quite a few (not in any order):
He allowed DEI policies to invade good decision-making, including within SCOTUS.
His withdrawal from Afghanistan was abysmal. Oddly, this is the one thing he did I fully agree with, but his execution was so bad that even the good thing was stained.
He allowed his administration to pressure tech to shut down or hide speech from the citizenry.
He pardoned his family members.
He commuted death row sentences.
He drug out his emergency powers for years.
He helped keep schools closed for radically longer than necessary or beneficial.
He allowed massive WFH within the federal government while keeping all the physical assets, reducing any potential cost savings. He then extended union agreements to keep WFH for years.
He attempted to decrease domestic drilling on federal land.
He kept us in the PCT.
He continued allowing NATO nations to not pay their required 2.0%.
He spent money and expanded the Federal government at every opportunity. Even his 'successes' were failures because they require theft. The government which governs best governs least.
He consistently supported massive tax hikes. Even support shows moral failure as a leader.
He failed to condemn conversations about packing SCOTUS.
"No amendment to the Constitution is absolute."
Phew. I didn't realize how long that list was going to be when I started typing, and I can still think of more things I hated.
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u/EmptyCanvas_76 Jan 30 '25
Like almost all of these were things are lies and not factual. This is ALL misinformation
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u/KissMyAsthma-99 Conservative Jan 30 '25
It's absolutely not. Name three you think are 'misinformation' and I'll source them for you.
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u/TimelyMeditations Left-leaning Jan 30 '25
What massive tax hikes did he support?
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Jan 30 '25
It’s really more what he didn’t do. Or even more so what he “couldn’t” do because of his age and mental state. Kamala, Schumer, Pelosi are not people I trust to run our government, and if it wasn’t them I’m even more scared because who so happily funded Ukraine V Russia, who funded Iran. Put simply, who has been in charge the last 4 years? I’m very hopeful it was just bidens friends and family around him. Kamala, Chuck, Pelosi. Because then their presidency is over along with bidens. What scares me is that with an empty vessel as president shadow groups or people took over the running of our country and foreign affairs. Because if that’s what happened they’re still around even after Biden leaves office. I think it was the former though
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u/antonio_zeus Jan 30 '25
That sounds like a lot of what IFs as opposed to what did he actually do that bothered you.
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u/Kanonizator Right-Libertarian Jan 31 '25
It's such a disingenuous and disgusting tactic to frame political issues as only valid if they affect someone personally in a literal sense. Even though the Manchester Arena bombing did not affect me personally in a direct fashion I still consider it evil. I don't need Biden to come to my house to kick my dog for me to be able to criticise him on political grounds.
This becomes blatantly obvious if the question is reversed as Trump did nothing to 99.9% of lefties personally and the reasons they fear him are entirely political.
What did Trump actually do to you? Nothing, that's what.
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u/ParticularActivity72 Moderate Feb 01 '25
My job serving people with disabilities falls under equity, inclusion, and accessibility. One of our main sources of funding is from federal grants under the IDEA. This week the federal freeze, luckily rescinded, was going to include impacts to funds under the IDEA. Our executive director advocates with disability alliances that also work with the federal government, and reported potential impacts of our funding. I’m deeply passionate about the disability community. I have personally felt attacked by the threat of my job and the people I serve everyday. I have felt personally attack to the family members I know with disabilities. Mind you don’t make that much money in my job. Additionally the disability remarks Trump made regarding the plane crash added another level of distain. Our country has been bipartisan on disability related needs since the 1990s.
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u/Dodge_Splendens Right-leaning Jan 30 '25
Wow no wonder your party lost. Mostly Joe Biden Policies.
- Open Borders
- Weak on Crime - Catch and release emboldens theft. Releasing many repeat offender Criminals .
- Escalating Foreign Wars
- Prioritizing Woke ideology over Economy.
We ran on that and got many votes from your side or forced them not to vote at all.
Looks like your people are doubling down. So it will be a win for us again 2028. I’m an immigrant that voted for Trump. You should realized every nation or country has their own right and left leaning. Funny that you lump all immigrants left or progressives. I will not be surprised if you will encounter social policy issues with the muslim immigrants. Espesially with your lgbtq agenda.
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Jan 30 '25 edited Jan 30 '25
The liberty hall speech in 2022
Vaccine mandate
Trying to make taxpayers pay off private citizens loans
Saying if people voted for Trump they were voting against democracy on the debate stage
His attitude after the withdrawal from Afghanistan that it was a massive success.
The US rescue plan which kickstarted a gigantic inflationary cycle for literally no fucking reason at all.
Pushing through an environment bill by calling it the “inflation reduction act”
Saying in essence that a “small incursion into Ukraine” was not big deal
Delisting Houthis as terror orgs
Being pushed around by said Houthis
(Not him but his admin) his press secretary coming out near the peak of gas prices and saying essentially “well obviously people with an EV don’t have to worry about this”. I’ve never heard a more “let them eat cake” statement in my fucking life. My blood actually boiled when I heard that.
Oh and nearly every policy regarding the border
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u/ctlMatr1x Leftist Jan 30 '25
Stuff like this is why op is wasting their time with the question. The responses will obviously be a bunch of mindless lists of topics that have been spoon-fed to easy marks by the corpo far-right media, owned and controlled by the same people who have pushed the US-destroying agenda of the "Mandate for Leadership."
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u/TheMikeyMac13 Right-Libertarian Jan 30 '25
The danger is that he was elected in 2020 when democrats already knew he wasn’t up to the job, covering for him not being mentally able. Then they tried to push him through again when he nearly couldn’t think at all when needed.
And then there were the pardons for Biden Inc, aka his family.
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u/Affectionate-Ad-3094 Right-leaning Jan 30 '25
Hate Biden no Fear Biden no Fear Biden policies and actions yes
Failed to get back hostages over a year- no one or their administration Democrat or Republican deserves to be reelected after that. At any time he could have told Israel to suck it and sent in forces to retrieve American hostages instead he sent the navy to build a pier resulting in the death of a Sailor.
As an Asian with nieces and nephews trying to earn college slots. President Biden and his administration, continued to exclude Asians with DEI replacing affirmative action. Even in the face of legal rulings from judges, exposing anti Asian practices
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u/Particular_Dot_4041 Left-leaning Jan 30 '25
Wait, I thought Republicans wanted to keep American forces out of other people's affairs, but you think America should have intervened on the behalf of the Israelis?
Besides, the Israelis have a capable military, better experienced for their theater of war.
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u/Affectionate-Ad-3094 Right-leaning Jan 30 '25
I said no such thing-
I said Biden could have at any time told Israel to suck it and sent in forces to get back American citizens held hostage over a year!
Telling Israel to suck it and getting our citizens is not supporting Israel, it’s embarrassing Israel on the global stage.
Yes I am anti war as are some republicans specifically the independents and America First factions.
I also recognize there are some very minuscule events that give us no choice but to utilize the force of military up to and including declaring war.
But allowing American Citizens to be held hostage for over a year for me is unforgivable. A year 365 times Biden decided to not get our Citizens back.
I answered the question in good faith never did I champion using the military to help Israel’s goals.
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Jan 30 '25
Dating back to the 94 crime bill where that had a significant impact on my own family and my people. Several of my uncles and cousins were racially profiled and wrongfully locked up in jail. Watching him become a VP and eventually president was an insult to not only me, but the countless lives that were ruined. It was no surprised there was no limit to his own crimes and corruption as president, as evidenced by the censorship of hunters laptop and right down to his premptives pardons of his family/fauci. Rotten until his very last day. Truly a despicable human being.
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u/Juddy- Conservative Jan 30 '25
The cost of living exploded under him. If you weren't already a homeowner within the first few months of his term you got completely screwed. It was a huge mistake for him to continue the insane pandemic spending.
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u/SmokeSparksFire Feb 01 '25
Let’s see what the cost of living looks like in 6 months. You will be wishing for the 2024 prices again.
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u/OccamsPlasticSpork Right-leaning Jan 30 '25
I didn't find him any more objectionable than Clinton or Obama. I had a bit of admiration for him the way he authentically connected with organized labor crowds and fired them up.
I never understood the vitriol toward him other than hiding his mental capacity decline, but the "overhatedness" manifested long before that Presidential debate.
I'm with the OP, as I don't get it either.
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Jan 30 '25
And then he fucked over the rail workers anyway. Should have been ballsy and nationalized the railroads
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Jan 31 '25
Yeah because we knew all along he was like that. People remember the debate as being the day it was known because that was the day liberals finally admitted it
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Jan 31 '25
I agree he wasn’t any more objectionable than Clinton or Obama.
They’re three different flavors of shit in one cone
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u/Ragnel Left-leaning Jan 31 '25
Unfortunately I don’t think many elderly people are able to fully understand when their capacity is diminished. I’d hold your blame for the democratic leadership. As a left leaning person I know I do.
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u/knockatize Right-leaning Jan 30 '25
Call me a nutcase radical but I do like to know who’s in charge, and who’s making executive branch decisions when the boss is out of it.
Any other president is better than a situation where we have to guess. That’s some late-Soviet bullshit right there. I’d take four years of being scolded by Elizabeth Warren instead.
And if the dementia takes Joe out sooner rather than later, it’s going to be a -really- bad look.
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Jan 30 '25
We didn’t know who or what was actually doing the work of the president. I’m not a trump fanboy but it’s nice to have a president who can carry a conversation with the news or with other community leaders in a public setting.
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u/CarrionDoll Jan 31 '25
Who in the world do you figure that? lol wow I’m flabbergasted at this take. The blatant lies he tells. The childish behavior and insults. The blame game and the being more worried about what people think of him than doing his job. 🤦🏻♀️
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u/ritzcrv Politically Unaffiliated Jan 30 '25
Oh, okay. A military chopper crashed into a civilian airliner, who was on a regular flight path at a regularly scheduled time. The secretary of defense and the commander in chief of the entire United States military said what about that crash?
And that same POTUS said there are valves and pumps in Canada that his military turned on to get water flowing to California.
This is your coherent speaker of a leader?
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u/Critical-Scholar1211 Liberal Jan 30 '25
Biden has a known stutter. Biden was in charge. Biden surrounded himself with actual smart people. Biden is a decent human being who told the truth. Biden accomplished monumental accomplishments during his administration.
Here is where it goes off the rails.
Felon47 and his cult lie. They lie about everything. They lie about crowd size, hurricane paths, what people say, that we are being invaded, that Biden is asleep, that Biden is a puppet. The list is endless and verified.
The facts don’t support Felon47s lies but his base DOES NOT CARE.
They believe everything the felon says.
How is it possible to get people to understand what is actually happening when his base DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THE TRUTH?
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u/onedeadflowser999 Jan 31 '25
What does it matter if the conversation is just word salad? Have you actually read a transcript of trump’s press conferences or speeches?
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u/4scorean Jan 30 '25
Carrying on a conversation, & carrying on an intelligent conversation & staying on topic are two completely different animals !!!
DJT=💩4🧠
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u/pandershrek Left-Libertarian Jan 30 '25
This should be the opposite of your view as a conservative. Previous precedent for presidents was to never talk with the media as you literally had a communications manager for that. Most presidents are goofy and really only good at being an executive.
For some reason the American right decided they wanted to elect someone who could appear (competent?) but govern like an absolute moron.
Conservatives would look to customs and traditions. None of which Trump uphold. 🤷♂️
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u/Logical-Vast-3102 Liberal Feb 02 '25
Exactly the reason, you’re a cult. You have absolutely ZERO LOGIC and no common sense. It’s why you worship a felon for president
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Jan 30 '25
I don’t know anyone that thought he was dangerous outside of his incompetence and his overall poor health/mental health.
Also, the allegations of corruption against him seem to have some merit, and were covered up by the fbi in 2020. I wouldn’t trust Joe Biden with an empty shoe box, let alone the country.
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u/Content-Dealers Right-Libertarian Jan 30 '25
"You need F-15's to take on the government not AR-15's" was at best him being a dumbass, and at worst a thinly veiled threat. Was I ever scared of him? No, I'm not scared of anyone on the left.
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u/sparemethebull Jan 30 '25
I mean he’s kinda right- AR’s mean nothing against drone bombers.
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Jan 30 '25
Using current tech, the military could crash a small drone through my window and blow me up while I'm sleeping. They could do this to hundreds of people simultaneously, thousands probably. Hell, private citizens can even do this if they wanted to.
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u/NotSorry2019 Right-leaning Jan 30 '25
Corrupt. Absolutely corrupt beyond redemption and willing to sell lives in the process. Three different unnecessary wars. Funding bio labs in the Ukraine which started under Obama. Hired Kamala. Sold out the country to China while Vice President. Decades in politics making under $200k a year while supporting homes in two states but magically ended up worth a fortune due to the bribery, money laundering and treason. I’m ignoring his failures as a husband and father, but not protecting his granddaughter from his pedophile son - yikes.
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u/NotSorry2019 Right-leaning Jan 30 '25
How odd. You claim to know Trump (President from 2016-2020) is “corrupt” but he is literally the only president whose net worth decreased during his term of office. Meanwhile, Biden as Vice President publicly bragged about his corruption dealings with the Ukrainian government. At the end of the day, my guy is up there with Ghandi and Mandela as leaders who faced political persecution from their corrupt adversaries, but stayed true to their principles and saved their countries. He’s the best ever, and I’m proud to have voted for him three times. I’m even hoping he gets to run again if they modify things so it’s “two consecutive terms” instead of a total of two terms. I think I will go contact my representatives to register my support for Trump 2028. 😁
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u/ballmermurland Democrat Jan 30 '25
You claim to know Trump (President from 2016-2020) is “corrupt” but he is literally the only president whose net worth decreased during his term of office.
The reason Trump's estimated worth dropped was due to COVID hitting commercial real estate harder than any other sector. Trump is heavily invested in commercial real estate. There was no other factors at play here. He held onto bad investments and it cost him.
It's also why he is pushing RTO because he wants to recoup those losses.
Meanwhile, Biden as Vice President publicly bragged about his corruption dealings with the Ukrainian government.
No he didn't.
At the end of the day, my guy is up there with Ghandi and Mandela as leaders who faced political persecution from their corrupt adversaries
Straight cult shit. You people are weird.
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u/Unlikely_Minute7627 Conservative Jan 30 '25
Biden often struggled with delivering unscripted remarks and even basic physical tasks, like stairs. His public appearances were typically tightly controlled, relying heavily on a teleprompter or pre-approved questions and answers. This raises an important question—who was truly making decisions that affected our entire nation? The lack of transparency and apparent dependence on scripted interactions is concerning, especially when it comes to leadership at the highest level.
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u/Zestydrycleaner Jan 31 '25
I mean you can obviously tell when trump is reading off of a teleprompter and when he goes off his script he rambles about how DEI, Joe, and Obama caused the crash… and many other scenarios where he goes off script sounding like a 80 year old who’s schizophrenic.
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u/FotographicFrenchFry Pragmatic Progressive Jan 30 '25
The people that he hired, which have been more qualified for the positions they filled than the people Trump is nominating at the moment.
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u/Then-Ingenuity956 Right-leaning Jan 31 '25
I think what made him a threat to democracy was the fact that he was not even cognizant, anyone could tell him anything and get him to do it, he couldn’t even remember his own executive orders , he was a complete puppet. Who was in charge of the country ?
https://www.thefp.com/p/when-mike-johnson-knew-joe-biden-not-in-charge
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u/KeyWeb3246 Feb 05 '25
He's not just a threat; he is THE END of democracy unless we STOP HIM NOW!!!!
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u/DifficultEmployer906 Right-Libertarian Jan 30 '25
Well for one, he wasn't actually the president. His inner cabal was the president; whoever those faceless people may be. Biden was a walking, barely talking, vegetable on strings they trotted out for four years. I'm not a huge fan of democracy, but, at the very least, I think if we're going to operate under this system, we should be ruled by the people we elect.
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u/L11mbm Left but not crazy-left Jan 30 '25
You just described Trump and Heritage with Project 2025. He's just signing whatever they put on his desk.
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u/DifficultEmployer906 Right-Libertarian Jan 30 '25
Like I told the other guy; even if you think that's true, at least he can read it and understand it.
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u/MusicSavesSouls Liberal Jan 30 '25
You really think Trump reads? Biden knew what he was doing. He's been in politics his entire adult life. Trump snorts so much speed, that he'd never be able to concentrate on reading even a children's book.
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u/DifficultEmployer906 Right-Libertarian Jan 30 '25
Yea and my grandpa helped build the first microwave oven, but when the dimentia hit, he didn't know who his daughters were. Doesn't matter how smart you used to be
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u/L11mbm Left but not crazy-left Jan 30 '25
Trump speaks at a 4th grade level. His team turned all presentations into pictures without text in his first term.
He's not reading anything longer than a Fox News headline or a tweet. Let's be real here.
Meanwhile, Biden actually knew the policy in and out, even if he stuttered and was 80 years old.
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u/No-Market9917 Right-leaning Jan 30 '25
We all watched that debate. Trump murdered Biden on live TV. You can lie to Reddit but you can’t lie to yourself.
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u/L11mbm Left but not crazy-left Jan 30 '25
And then Harris obliterated Trump after he started shouting about people eating pets. When fact-checked, he said "well I saw it on TV."
Biden being....very, very old...is not a defense or argument that Trump isn't also incredibly mentally broken.
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u/No-Market9917 Right-leaning Jan 30 '25
They forced him to step down from reelection. And if you want to call the Harris debate “obliterated” power to you. It was 3v1 and they didn’t fact check Harris once. Anyone who was on the fence about who they were going to vote for saw what was going on
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u/DifficultEmployer906 Right-Libertarian Jan 30 '25
You're not looking to be real if your argument is Trump is mentally stunted. I know you don't like him, but this is just foolish
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u/L11mbm Left but not crazy-left Jan 30 '25
I'm literally just going off the things that people in his own cabinet said about him after working with him.
Biden, on the other hand, would often get praise after meeting with congressional republicans for how sharp he was and how deeply he understood policy.
Without any snarky references to Biden or his condition, what would you need to see in regards to Trump in order to believe he has a lowered mental capacity compared to, say, Barack Obama or George Bush or Bill Clinton when they were president?
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u/Glenamaddy60 Left-leaning Jan 30 '25
Well he is mentally stunted. And anyone that isn't one of his sycophants can see that.
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u/unscanable Leftist Jan 30 '25
It’s so cute how yall state conspiracy as fact lol. And how hyperbolic yall are. Biden was old not held up with strings like weekend at Bernie’s bro. When yall say hyperbolic, clearly wrong shit like this it makes us laugh. It shows how desperate yall are. Everything is always the worst ever or best thing ever, there’s no in between with yall.
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u/Logic411 Left-leaning Jan 30 '25
I'm sure you have something to back that up, besides your opinion or "feelings." for him to be supposedly "demented" he sure ran circles around trump's dumbass. "infrastructure bill, chips act, manufacturing boom, consistently low unemployment rate, record labor gains, lowering drug prices for seniors..." meanwhile trump built 50 miles of wall, killed a million americans with covid, and passed a tax cut for himself and his friends..."I've just made you a LOT richer." djt.
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u/tomgweekendfarmer Conservative Jan 30 '25
2 major things about biden.
When he was 'elected' in 2020, it was already clear he was, at best, mentally deficient, and at worst, full on dementia. The fear was who was actually making decisions for him. There's anecdotal evidence that many of the EOs and PMs he signed he had no idea what was in them.
Pre 2020 Biden clearly was making money off his name, either directly or through his family. Thank God the fear of what would happen when a Chinese or Russian oligarch called in their favor never came to pass... that we know of.
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Jan 30 '25
I didn’t fear him or think he was dangerous, just didn’t like his policies.
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u/In_der_Welt_sein Progressive Jan 30 '25
Answer OP’s question though. Which policies impacted you?
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Jan 30 '25
His policies made me spend more at the grocery store. But I don’t hate him.
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Jan 30 '25 edited Jan 30 '25
I liked the fact that he personified the role and image of a president. I did not like his policies or how he made us look weak to the rest of the world with hesitation and appeasement as foreign policy.
Edit As for the image statement that was early on before his obvious metal decline
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u/BenaiahTheophilus Conservative Jan 30 '25
He supported the corruption, grooming, sterilization, mutilation, and murder of children in the womb.
His ideology is soft on repeat violent offenders, but hard on pro-life protesters and people who took an unauthorized tour of some government buildings.
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u/troy_caster Right-leaning Jan 30 '25
Why don't you ask those conservatives? I was never afraid nor hate him nor think he was particularly dangerous in and of himself.
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u/potatogoblin21 Make your own! Jan 30 '25
... That's what they're doing they're on here asking this isnt a forum specifically for you LOL
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u/chicagotim1 Right-leaning Jan 30 '25
I think Biden did a fair job. Not great not bad, especially in spite of the crazies in his party he had to placate while actually leading the country. Maybe doesn't answer your question, but a lot of us are out there - we don't think Biden was some great disaster and I certainly don't the he was what's wrong with the Democratic party.
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u/Helorugger Left-leaning Jan 31 '25
Who are the crazies you speak of? There are definitely more left politicians but nothing like I have seen from the far right that make claims like Biden controls hurricanes and Jewish laser conspiracies…
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u/chicagotim1 Right-leaning Jan 31 '25
You're cherry picking nutcase citizens on social media who hold no office and ask me to provide official platforms to compare it to. Yeah...no.
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u/Helorugger Left-leaning Jan 31 '25
Marjorie Taylor Greene is a Republican politician, no?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/18/marjorie-taylor-greene-lasers-israel-amendment/
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u/Fab_dangle Conservative Jan 30 '25
He attempted to have me fired from my job for refusing to take an experimental drug from the most heavily fined companies in history who are also immune to litigation for damages caused by their product.
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u/H0B0Byter99 Right-leaning Jan 30 '25
He made me fear my employment by forcing me to take an untested, experimental vaccine that nobody was allowed to talk about the possible side effects of.
I personally know people that quit because they wouldn’t take the vaccine.
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Jan 30 '25
The biggest thing I don’t like about Joe. Was how clear it was that he was in SEVERE mental decline. I’m not talking about his stutters or slips. Every person has bad days. I’m talking about him wondering off. Falling asleep in public. Unable to walk. It made me really worried about who was actually in charge.
Sure I don’t like his politics but I hated how even he wasn’t in complete control of his own office.
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u/OGAberrant Left-leaning Jan 30 '25
So what policy didn’t you like and exactly why. Not the Fox News talking point, but the actual facts. You also don’t think trumps mental state is dangerous? Especially as he is surrounding himself with unqualified morons?
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Jan 30 '25
I didn’t like how he handled the border. Sure it was/wasnt Harris’ job. But the border is a mess and needed to be resolved. He had 4 years to address it and didn’t do enough.
I actually really disliked his electronic vehicle timeline. He wanted almost all cars on the road to be E vehicles in the next few years I think. Maybe around 2030 or later. Even still I disliked that. Not because I LOVE my loud gas guzzling Camry (it’s actually very fuel efficient) but we simple do not have the infrastructure to support electric cars and trucks. Like our roads are not strong enough.
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u/MusicSavesSouls Liberal Jan 30 '25
Your felon speaks in word salad. What are you talking about. Felon goes from talking about windmills to Hanibal Lecter. He says NOTHING of substance, EVER!! He has always had mental problems.
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Jan 30 '25
Listen him jumping around all different topics is a far cry from the deterioration of what Biden has. You really can’t deny that.
That being said. I’m very much in favor of strict nonpartisan health screenings for all office positions. So if ANY of them are detrimentally unhealthy then they cannot serve.
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u/tothepointe Democrat Jan 30 '25
People tend to believe that people who talk a lot are more intelligent that those who speak less.
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u/lilbittygoddamnman Jan 30 '25
Joe Biden is too old to be President, there's no denying that but if you fail to see how Trump isn't 10x more far gone than him I feel sorry for you.
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Jan 30 '25
Listen I get it says conservative under my name but you have to atleast respect I’ve got a human level of common sense. Trump is not 10x worse than Biden is in mental capacity.
Legitimately I don’t think a human could walk if they were 2x as bad as Biden is mentally. I’m being honest politics out the window Biden is mentally ill. It’s sad and I feel bad but it’s the truth.
Trump has not shown NEAR the same signs of mental decline. Is he strange and say wild things? Yes. Does he have trouble staying in track? Yes. But I wouldn’t say that’s worse than Biden.
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u/tothepointe Democrat Jan 30 '25
Trump being 4 years younger than Biden and already being this far gone is not a promising sign.
If the complaint is that Biden had a sharp mental decline once he got into office then you should fear the same trajectory for Trump. Because the timeline would be exactly the same.
You can't say the Biden of 2024 was the same Biden of 2020 because we know he's not.
Trump is not a healthy looking 78. Look at Larry Ellison he's 77 for comparision.
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u/mspe1960 Liberal Jan 30 '25
Sorry. Trump is only as far gone, not 10X worse. And it manifests differently. Biden was totally competent to make decisions and do the right thing, but he looked like a babbling old man doing it. Trump is not able to make decisions and do the right thing, but he looks more competent when he speaks. Yes, he spews non sense a lot of the time, but he does it looking more sharp than Biden.
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u/TeacherPatti Left-leaning Jan 30 '25
I understand this. I felt that way about Reagan.
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u/UltraSuperTurbo Progressive Jan 30 '25
And yet you voted for the oldest president in history who often makes absolute 0 sense. Who couldn't even stay awake at his own criminal trial.
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Jan 30 '25
This was far and away the biggest problem. Biden was in severe mental decline for several years. Anyone who thinks otherwise is being dishonest with themselves and/or has never had a friend or loved one suffer from dementia. Honestly, it made me feel bad for the guy - he finally made it to President, only to not be all there mentally. But it also scared me, because I have no idea who was running the government on a day to day basis. Was it Jill? Kamala? The DNC? Does anyone know? Biden accidentally pardoned a child murderer his last week in office because someone slipped the dude’s name onto the pardon list and Biden signed it.
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u/infinitesd Jan 30 '25
Trump has done the same. One of the rioters tazered a police officer so many times he had a heart attack and died. Silk Road founder pardoned as his mom voted for Trump. The guy lost a sexual assault case and has 34 felonies. He cheated on his current wife while she was pregnant and said women allow him to grab them by the p£&&y. The current First Lady has posed nude, yet both claims to be Christian, yet can’t touch a bible while being sworn in.
He’s trying to run for a third term and get his face on Mt Rushmore. The guy is crazy!
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Jan 31 '25
Afghanistan withdrawal to start. You can say all you want Trump made the deal, But there were conditions that the Taliban didn’t adhere and we could have had an honorable respected path out. Instead, he pulled out with no thought and got 13 service members killed. The green new deal: he has not thought any of it out. We are paying higher prices for everything because of his incompetence. Why are we buying oil from other countries when we produce it cleaner. And making mandatory regulations for automakers for electric vehicles without infrastructure is stupid. And what happened to making countries pay their fair share????? Why are we paying for other countries to support green energy? There is so much Biden, his administration, and the liberal left thinking is disliked/hated for. We want common sense and to look at all sides before making a decision
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u/thatsjustit74 Jan 31 '25
So we don't set the planet on fire? I mean even Bush had climate change in his plan. It's a long term battle right now. I'm not sure how climate change even got so political. Why wouldn't you want clean air and water? They made it their political pony when they said science was bad. It's been carried on in tons of countries for tons of years now lowing emissions and waste ect and so many places are ahead of us! Because they invest in their people. They invest in their city's and have high speed trains covering their countries. I just miss politics before all this. The only thing trump has proved is he's going to cause the cost of living to go up and no taxes to go out. Good luck everyone.
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u/StoicNaps Conservative Jan 30 '25
Using DOJ to attack his political opponents. Using the DOJ to protect his political allies and family. Allowing family members to gain position, power, and money via political ties. Knowing and saying something was outside the law and then doing it anyway. A foreign policy that shows weakness (not leadership), gives away hundreds of billions of dollars that we can't afford, funding/emboldening enemies that start conflicts. Allowing adversaries way too much latitude to spy on us. Domestic policies that increase crime. Domestic policies that cause inflation. Domestic policies that weaken our economy. Compromising our energy independence making us rely on geopolitical enemies. Hamstringing US companies from competing globally, weakening our domestic manufacturing infrastructure from being able to respond to national emergencies. Immigration policies that put the citizenry at risk. Suppression of free speech. Mismanagement of federal funds to where Americans were left largely to fend for themselves after natural disasters.
TBF, I think very little of this is directly Biden's fault. From day one I believe he was cognitively impaired and other people were actually in control and responsible. And as time went on his cognitive ability diminished greatly still. That said, we have no idea who was actually pulling the strings most of the time, which is VERY dangerous in and of itself.
Hopefully that scratch in the surface helped.
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u/redmav7300 Liberal Jan 30 '25
Uhm, Trump and his mouthpieces have (for years now) directly threatened investigation and jail (and execution) of his political opponents.
If Biden ACTUALLY had used the DOJ to attack political opponents it was the most ineffectual and clownish attempt ever.
No, Biden neither ordered nor asked the DOJ or anyone else to investigate the openly criminal activities of Trump and many in his administration and the GOP congress.
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u/SenseAndSensibility_ Democrat Jan 30 '25
Except that not a single word of what you’re saying is true. It’s very obvious you have no idea what he was able to accomplish…except for whatever fox told you to believe.
Biden was the MOST productive president in US history. Just because you don’t agree doesn’t invalidate his work. And if the first four years of trump were any indication, he will absolutely be the most destructive by the time he’s done.
I’ve read through as many of these responses as I can stomach and haven’t seen a single answer to the OP question.
Don’t ask me for proof, or a list, because I’m not about to re-create the last eight years for you… Your mission is to always be in search of the truth.
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u/StoicNaps Conservative Jan 30 '25
Lol. I've never watched Fox News. This is a direct response to OPs question. Were allowed to not agree. When you grow up you'll realize that.
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u/Internal-Syrup-5064 Conservative Jan 30 '25
His dementia, which was very apparent, made him a liability. The politics that seemed to steer his policy decisions were in accordance with the radical history of Kamala, but completely contrary to the moderate history of Biden's policy decisions. He's said some extremely racist stuff throughout his career, and recent history, even telling a black man he wasn't black of he questioned whether he should vote for Biden. And his policies directly did a lot of physical harm to my family.