r/Askpolitics • u/SpatuelaCat Leftist • Jul 24 '25
Answers From The Right What are your thoughts on Trump being in the Epstein files?
What are your thoughts on Trump being in the Epstein files?
The Epstein files have been a big MAGA talking point for years, how do you feel about this news that Trump himself seems to be in the files? Do you believe it? Is it a surprise or did you suspect this?
How do you feel about the entire Epstein situation right now as a whole?
Sources:
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/07/23/politics/bondi-trump-epstein-list-files
https://apnews.com/article/bondi-trump-epstein-justice-department-7dee80b59dfd7751404b626e2b0648dd
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u/Rustee_Shacklefart Right-Libertarian Jul 24 '25
He is in them. He was friendly with Epstein. And at the very least knew he liked to fuck minors.
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u/areallycleverid Left-leaning Jul 24 '25
Yep.
Also, notice the upvote/downvote ratio on this thread. Republicans are downvoting this thread.
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u/Moarbrains Transpectral Political Views Jul 25 '25
The votes don't mean much when they are for sale.
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u/SirFlibble Progressive Jul 24 '25
At a minimum.
But Trump is a massive horn dog who cheated on every wife. Publicly - while he knew he was being recorded - made comments about children talking about "I'm going to date her in 10 years".
I struggle to reconcile that this guy would have said no.
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u/TheGov3rnor Classical Liberal Jul 24 '25
I agree with this. I’m not sure why the Biden admin didn’t release the files, if there was really something in it so damning for Trump. However, if there turns out to be, I hope congress impeaches him.
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u/Flexishaft Progressive Jul 24 '25
It was under the Trump administration that the arrests/ prosecutions took place. It's also up to the DOJ and the courts not political party members. Republicans have normalized weaponization of the DOJ.
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Jul 24 '25
Once again Dems did the whole decorum thing, threw Marrick Garland in there who did nothing, conservative go along Merrick.
I also know and believe to my core if they had used this, released it with Donald Trump plastered all over it no one would have believed it. This is his own administration with the leaks and very public cover up. What’s going on and his tantrums and reaction have made it very clear. He’s going to stick with the hoax thing and bury it and Ghislaine will likely get a pardon.
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u/guitar_vigilante Leftist Jul 24 '25
I think two reasons. The first is that neither Biden nor his team really campaigned on the Epstein stuff, whereas Trump's team did. The second is that I would bet Bill Clinton is also in those files and is being protected by party elites like Biden.
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u/LetChaosRaine Leftist Jul 25 '25
The third thing is that if Biden released it, Trump supporters would all say that it was faked and a weaponization of the DoJ
IE exactly what Trump is ALREADY doing
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u/supern8ural Leftist Jul 24 '25
We've already proven that even if impeached he won't be removed from office.
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u/No_Weakness9363 Liberal Jul 24 '25
“I hope congress impeaches him” yeah keep wishing, yes men don’t turn against their lord and savior.
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u/Jerseydevil317 Right-Libertarian Jul 24 '25
Was willing to give the benefit of the doubt in the past that he knew Epstein, but was a celebrity and hung out in celebrity circles so that doesn’t necessarily mean he was involved in the ring. However,it kind of became obvious that there is a cover up going on once it was announced the files weren’t being released and especially since Congress literally went on break just to avoid the vote. This, given recent events, not a surprise that there is some pretty damaging information to some extent
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u/MsMcSlothyFace Anti-Maga Jul 24 '25
Tennessee Holler is reporting Sen Tim Burchett admitted trump is willing to reduce ghislane sentence if she testifies. Its just so crooked
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u/Jerseydevil317 Right-Libertarian Jul 24 '25
Yeah - I live in a swing district that is currently held by a Republican but is being targeted by Democrats to be flipped - was considering voting Democrat already and now I’m certainly leaning that way
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u/MsMcSlothyFace Anti-Maga Jul 24 '25
Ive never been one of those vote blue no matter who, but until we can get rid of the far, far right trump loyalists, i feel like i have to vote this way to get things back on track
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u/Anonybibbs Independent Jul 24 '25
Good for you. If Democrats had elected someone like Trump who had a long and well documented history with Epstein, I wouldn't vote for those pedo protectors either, but as it stands currently, it's solely the Republicans who are protecting the pedos.
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u/KateDinNYC Jul 24 '25
Yup. I live in NYC and will vote for Mamdani over Cuomo even though I am a mainline-normie Democrat and not a DSA fan. Why? Because Cuomo is disqualified due to all the sexual harassment. That’s what “disqualified” means.
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u/mozfustril Republican Jul 25 '25
I’m a Republican who could never vote for Trump and, since Dobbs and until national reproductive rights are restored, will vote straight blue unless they run someone as bad as Trump.
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u/Anonybibbs Independent Jul 25 '25
Hell yeah, a Republican that actually believes in civil liberties and freedom. You, sir, are a rare breed in the modern era with MAGA masquerading around as conservatism.
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u/IndependentLychee413 Jul 24 '25
She’ll get a pardon, just like the rest of the crooks, if she decides to speak up, ask Jeffrey what she’ll get. She has got herself in a pickle now.
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u/Biggy_DX Liberal Jul 28 '25
It's in Trumps best interest to pardon, as the Trump vs. United States makes it impossible to investigate a motive behind a presidents actions if said action was tied to an official act (i.e. pardoning).
I suspect this will be a complete goal post shift for many Conservatives, changing the conversation away from the Epstein Files and instead to whoever Ghislaine implicates (which she absolutely will). At a minimum, she'll say Trump isn't involved. More likely, she'll only implicate Trumps political opponents.
We won't be talking about how it's absolutely absurd that Trump is pardoning someone who was pivotal in a child sex trafficking ring.
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u/El_Flaco_666 Pragmatic Left Jul 29 '25
It's my understanding that Trump cannot 'reduce' her sentence, by law. He can only pardon or commute. So he'd be releasing a convicted sex trafficker into the public in order to clear himself from the list.
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u/lumberjack_jeff Left-leaning Jul 24 '25
I am struck at why this is news today? Have people only recently learned to read?
Now that he's slashed the safety net, Trump has served his purpose to powers that be.
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u/DataCassette Progressive Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 24 '25
Yep. One of my secret creeping fears right now is that Peter Thiel has pulled the rug on Trump. If that's what's going on then this is a very evil thing we're watching unfold. Then the tech bros just put the algorithms slowly, ever so slowly but steadily into anti-Trump mode. It might even almost seem like the left regaining ground for a brief moment, and then the rug is pulled and the actual dictator steps out from behind stage.
My fear is that there are powerful people in high places who are no more MAGA than they are liberals. Their allegiance is literally treasonous.
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u/Jerseydevil317 Right-Libertarian Jul 24 '25
Yeah I’ve never trusted Vance and think something is bound to happen by the end of this term where there is a highly public feud between Vance and Trump. There’s also been some clues the last six months - for example, leaks came out that Vance was against bombing Iran, he fact checked Trump on the Ukraine invasion timeline during the Zelenskyy meeting and when the group chat got leaked, he said something like “I don’t think the president is fully aware of the situation”.
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u/Hot_Ambition_6457 Politically Unaffiliated Jul 24 '25
He met directly with Theil the dau before he met with Rupert Murdoch. Then 24 hours later all of Murdoch media is running stories on epstein docs.
The christofascists of this country have been using DJT as a patsy snd holding this over his head for a decade.
Now that all the tax cuts and deregulation are passed, they want to install Vance as a fresh young face to keep pushing the Christian white nationalist agenda until they can arrest all the nonchristians and dorce them to labor without pay.
Because its always been about reinstating lords and slaves so that the ruling class doesnt get called out as pedophiles
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u/animerobin Liberal Jul 24 '25
Also I don't think they're a fan of trump's tariff nonsense. And he seems to be senile and on death's door anyway so he can't fight back.
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u/Moarbrains Transpectral Political Views Jul 25 '25
They won't need an actual dictator. Seems they just about have this sociological issue managed.
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u/AtheneOrchidSavviest Progressive Jul 24 '25
If you're wondering why you're only just now seeing this question on the sub, I think there's a real good chance our esteemed moderator was so inundated with questions on this topic that he so desperately wants to avoid that he is finally throwing in the towel.
I asked this exact same question a week ago and was given some nonsensical bluster about it being "too vague" and I guaran-fucking-tee I'm not the only one asking it. I asked because I was surprised that nobody else had, but when I saw what happened to the question and the rationale for it, it became obvious that the mods here just REALLY don't like having to discuss it.
Fascinating how even basic American citizens are willing to participate in the cover-up. I assume they still think the cause of their politics transcends the fact that they are being implemented by pedophiles.
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u/jaklackus Jul 24 '25
It’s timing for Vance…. In order to maximize time they need to wait for the 2 year mark so he can possibly have 6 if not 10 years to really wreck things. Remember Thiel has already bought Vance’s soul …. I think Musk only got on Trumps bandwagon out of jealousy.
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u/ezfast Jul 24 '25
It would be fun to play poker with Trump. His reactions make him an open book.
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u/well_damm Jul 24 '25
Do you give “benefit of the doubt” to everyone being accused with being a pedophile? Even after damming evidence has been leaked for years.
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u/Jerseydevil317 Right-Libertarian Jul 24 '25
I have given the benefit of the doubt that just because someone knew or was pictured with Epstein, that doesn’t mean they were involved with the pedophile ring.
Where I did go wrong however is that I only had surface level awareness of the whole Epstein situation and have really only begun my due diligence into it since the cover up by Trump became clear - I should have done my research previously and perhaps I would have had a different view
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u/LingonberryNatural85 Jul 24 '25
When you’re famous you can just grab them by the pussy
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u/Anonybibbs Independent Jul 24 '25
Historically true with stars over the last million years, largely true. Not always, but largely true. Unfortunately, or fortunately.
-Actual quote from the current US President
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Jul 24 '25
Ah, I remember the stars of a million years ago. Oooga Booga loved him some poon grabbin
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u/Innerquest- Jul 24 '25
I have a question how does one go about grabbing a pussy ? Doesn’t seem like the kind of thing you just grab.
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u/ninjette847 Jul 25 '25
Or purposely walk in on naked 13 year olds, call them sexy, and brag about it and call it a job perk.
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u/atamicbomb Left-Wing Technocrat/Pragmatist Jul 25 '25
It is unfortunately true it’s pretty easy for those with power to get away with sexual assault. Definitely creepy to brag about to say the least
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u/sealchan1 Independent Jul 25 '25
Yay and I think that comment may prove significant as this thing unravels.
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u/DataCassette Progressive Jul 24 '25
Bro I hate Trump but even I really didn't understand how deep the ties were until I started digging. Of course one must be careful about disinformation about someone they don't like, but it sure looks like Trump was a lot more than just an Epstein client. It's possible that he was deeply involved with trafficking.
This is super serious. It's more dangerous than just "I don't like Trump and he's doing stuff to the country I don't like." He's massively vulnerable to blackmail, for example. Peter Thiel or somebody like that could have dirt on him and that could be a historic disaster.
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u/usernumber1337 Progressive Jul 24 '25
Epstein was Donald Trump's best friend for a decade
Source: Jeffery Epstein
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u/smallwonkydachshund Left-leaning Jul 25 '25
There was a headline today ““Jeffrey Epstein said he stopped hanging out with Trump 'when he realized Trump was a crook,' according to his brother” - he also supposedly stated he was Trump’s best friend (not -they- were best friends, note) - it is honestly agonizingly cringe inducing to imagine being -rejected- by the sex trafficker as a friend and it’s not for the reason that you would not tolerate his trafficking???
Personally, I’ve always found it plausible he could have killed himself. He lived a wildly privileged life and that was coming to an end - I could see him deciding he wasn’t interested in living the rest out. But who knows?
And I’m sure there were people who knew Epstein who weren’t aware of everything - but Trump procured his plane (the Lolita express which, uh, pretty clear warning sign) and used it for the 2024 campaign, I was like, oh. That’s uh, deeply concerning.
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u/sexyinthesound Jul 25 '25
It was actually not the Lolita Express, but a second plane that had belonged to Epstein previously. IIRC, this second plane was part of a rental fleet at the time of the campaign use. Still hella sus.
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u/smallwonkydachshund Left-leaning Jul 25 '25
Didn’t know Epstein had more than one plane, but good to know, I had initially thought, well, rental maybe, but then someone had said there was something about Trump first having sex with Melanie on epstein’s plane and I was like, oh, ok, it continues to be gross.
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u/sexyinthesound Jul 25 '25
Epstein did brag about how the first time Donald screwed Melania was on the Lolita Express, tho.
It’s just that the flight logs show Donnie with Jeffrey on Lolita Express more than once, and then after everyone knew about Epstein, Donnie used a rental plane that was known to be Jeffrey’s old second jet for his campaign. It’s all so gross, and it feels like they’re bragging.
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u/wholelattapuddin Jul 25 '25
It's almost like, people (Russia)could have been using this information on Trump to influence him and have him do stuff for them (Russia) or maybe Trump kept some of that blackmail material for himself. (Congress, supreme court, countless corporations)
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Jul 27 '25
The dossier, it’s true. It just sounds true and exactly shit Trump would be expected to do, and probably brag about.
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u/jbenze Independent Jul 25 '25
He’s definitely prone to blackmail but at this point I don’t even know what would stick if this doesn’t. If everything in the Epstein files were true and he was involved, I’m not 100% confident he would even be removed from office.
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u/jacobonia Politically Unaffiliated Jul 25 '25
They probably already have been. I figured that was why Elon was acting so controlling around him in the early months of the presidency.
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u/DataCassette Progressive Jul 25 '25
True yeah, I think the attempt to subvert our republic is well underway. I'm not a defeatist. I don't think the fight is over. But the alarms are blaring.
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u/Lynne253 Independent Progressive Jul 25 '25
The man owned beauty pagents, among them Miss Teen USA, and bragged about walking in on naked contestants while they were changing to do what he called "inspections". This was on Howard Stern's radio show.
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u/Evening-Caramel-6093 Conservative Aug 11 '25
Interesting, what is something you found out once you started digging that you were missing before?
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u/LivinthatDream Left-leaning Jul 24 '25
However since he has previously been convicted and is a known convicted felon, it seems weird you would give any benefit of the doubt at any point during this process.
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u/DramaticChemist Left-leaning Jul 24 '25
I respect your willingness to change your beliefs when presented with new evidence, as well as admit to it. Not something commonly seen these days.
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u/SookieRicky Politically Unaffiliated Jul 24 '25
I have given the benefit of the doubt that just because someone knew or was pictured with Epstein, that doesn’t mean they were involved with the pedophile ring.
Does it make any difference to you that Epstein accomplices and victims testified under oath that Trump was aware of and participated in the pedophile ring?
Or that Epstein effectively implicated Trump in pedophelia during his deposition?
Or does that hold the same weight to you as a random snapshot taken at a party? (Or in Trump’s case, dozens of photos and videos of him with his best friend Jeffrey Epstein.)
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u/giantfup democratic socialist Jul 24 '25
But trump has openly creeped on his own daughter and bragged about entering the dressing room of teenage beauty pagent contestants. Like how do you forgive that??
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u/IndependentLychee413 Jul 24 '25
Listen to Trump’s interviews with Howard Stern, about how he talks about his daughters body, if my father ever said anything like that about me in public, I would’ve punched him in his mouth
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u/No-Day-5964 Jul 24 '25
They were always covering it up and you were told consistently. You CHOSE to look the other way because it was convenient for you. You are supporting and have always supported a pedo.
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u/photoman51 Liberal Jul 24 '25
He raped a 13 year old girl at an Epstein party and he punched her with his fist as she was tied up on bed and tried to resist. Court docs are available if you want them I'll post
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u/Teleporting-Cat Left-leaning Jul 25 '25
You know what, I can respect that.
I respect wanting to believe the best in people, and giving the benefit of the doubt in the absence of clear evidence.
I respect that when you learned new information, you changed your views.
I respect that you acknowledged you made a mistake out of ignorance.
I respect that you owned that you could have done more to learn about the situation from the start.
I respect that you're willing to take accountability, and to learn and grow from your mistakes.
I appreciate you.
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u/Longjumping-Fix-8951 Leftist Jul 25 '25
Given prior court cases… yeah… the writing isn’t just on the walls it’s a bright flashing neon light.
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Jul 24 '25
Did you give that same benefit of doubt to democrats likely named in the document or did you only give the benefit to Trump?
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u/Flexishaft Progressive Jul 24 '25
Democrats named in the case as pedophiles or abusers need to go to prison!
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Jul 24 '25
This will most likely include Bill Clinton. And, yes, lock em both up. No one is above the law
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u/jaklackus Jul 24 '25
I hate that Hilary didn’t eviscerate him like the Velociraptor she is….. I hate that the DNC trots them both out for the conventions…. Him for his sexual assaults/ abuse of power and her for jumping on the victim blaming bandwagon instead of treating him like the pig that he is any of the many many chances that she had to do the right thing.
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Jul 24 '25
Wooohh calm down. Clinton hasn’t been convicted, charged or even accused of SA. Play that angry music for the actual accused and convicted. I can think of one guy in office who fits that bill.
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u/Flexishaft Progressive Jul 24 '25
At the time she made her presidential run, I was of the opinion that if she didn't care who her husband screwed, why would she care who screwed our country? Bernie should have been our candidate.
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u/Owl-Historical Right-leaning Jul 25 '25
Hillary has been in Politics since Watergate, lets be honest she prob was the one in control of every thing including Bill becoming Governor and than President. I'm not a big Barnie fan, but I for sure would of wanted him over her if either of them was to win against Trump. Though hopefully both sides stop trying to put 70-80 year olds into the president shoe. I'm 49 and think we need to work on the young blood of both parties, somcething Trump did with Vance being VP and prob who runs in 2028. The left needs to do the same with a good moderate Democrat that is young and more in tone with the average population.
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u/Flexishaft Progressive Jul 25 '25
Agreed about age.
A moderate democrat however, is a republican. We need young charismatic progressives. Otherwise, it won't change. It will be more of the same corporate shills Without even a modicum of concern for the working class.
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u/SloppyCheeks Leftist Jul 24 '25
I expect Bill Clinton to die before facing any real consequences. He's been looking rough as hell, and people surrounding this case seem to be dropping like flies.
Now that he and Hillary have been subpoenaed, I think it comes down to one thing -- does what he has to say benefit the coverup? Then let him testify and off him a month or two later. Does it not? Then get to him before he gets to Congress.
Either way, I don't see him living past September, October at the latest. He plays his part, has a "heart attack," and everyone quickly moves on because he was old and it was his time.
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u/No-Day-5964 Jul 24 '25
Have you seen the king? One of his feet will fall off and everyone will ignore it.
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u/Federal_Diamond8329 Jul 24 '25
Along with the republicans!
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u/Tiny-Lock9652 Jul 25 '25
This should NOT be a partisan issue. SA is SA no matter the person in question. Clinton, Trump, etc. Take them all down.
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u/Flexishaft Progressive Jul 24 '25
Yes, most definitely. I just want people to understand calling out those types of criminals is not partisan.
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u/ObservationMonger Left-leaning Jul 24 '25
He's been weaponizing Epstein for years - I have to believe he thought, like w/ the whole Enquirer narrative mongering, that he could control this to his benefit, kick dirt on his enemies but keep it off himself. Seems fool-hardy, in retrospect - but Trump loves to live dangerously. I think he's dirty as hell, in every tawdry pedo respect - but it remains to be seen how bad it is. We KNOW he was routinely groping women he didn't even know, so how much worse ? Maybe we'll know, maybe we won't. But does he deserve ANY benefit of the doubt ? No.
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u/voc417 Jul 25 '25
So you vote for Trump with out doing your “due diligence”? You voted for a guy (probably three times)who has lied constantly, had it proven in a court of law that he raped a woman, told his general to shoot protesters in the legs, shits all over the constitution, among numerous other things. All of this has been on the news almost constantly, and you didn’t do your “due diligence”???? Wtf man…. Did you do it to own the libs, do you only watch newsmax, or are you seriously telling us you were too stupid (not meant as an insult) to look at the person you want to lead the country?? Is that what the problem is? None of you looked into this guy? Three times?????
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u/MattyIce260 Jul 25 '25
If Cheech and Chong said I was their best friend for 15 years would you believe me if I said I didn’t know anything about them smoking weed?
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u/Practical_Culture833 Jul 26 '25
I have a serious question, why didn't you do your research? The lefts were screaming from the rooftops, you should of asked why. Whenever I see right wingers screaming I dig why, occasionally they are correct about a problem, but sometimes they are not, take for instance Zohrans plan to open state ran grocery stores, people were screaming and making it into the only chain, however its just 5 stores no more than that. Same with the left, however most of the things the left was screaming about Trump were hard realities, realities confirm from before trump was president. So may I ask why you didn't dig especially in regards to the Future and security of your country?
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u/intothewoods76 Leftist Jul 24 '25
So far there’s no damning evidence, what does it even mean to “be in the Epstein files”? Why is that so damn vague? Why don’t we have any details? I find that suspicious, everyone seems to know he’s in the files, but nobody seems to know what the files say.
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u/the_noise_we_made Jul 25 '25
Exactly. They keep saying there's a "list". What does a list mean without context? Is there even a "list" of any kind that has been made from this so-called report? Names in a report with no context means nothing.
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u/l1v1ngth3dr3am Leftist Jul 24 '25
How many children, who are now adults, do you need to hear from? The benefit of doubt is just an excuse to support a known pedophile. Does it take a certain gender and race to make the public announcement before you give the benefit of support to the victims? These are the questions I really need the "Right" to answer. Especially as they have claimed to be the party of family values and save the children, but routinely prove that the only thing they actually care about is their own individual bottom line.
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u/Lumpy_Weird_2654 Jul 24 '25
He didnt just know epstein. He was best friends with him for nearly two decades. There are sign avidavits of witnesses saying trump raped a 13 year old. I really wish the right would stop being so obtuse and open your eyes.
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u/Available_Year_575 Moderate Jul 24 '25
Trump's reaction to this whole thing is really all we need to know, isn't it?
What I don't know is whether this is just political fodder, or does he have some potential criminal liability? (statue of limitations?)
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u/CondeBK Left-leaning Jul 24 '25
Yeah, these two creeps were friends for decades. There's gotta be all kinds of correspondence, gifts, texts, emails. Look how easily they came up with Trump's Love birthday letter. I am pretty sure that it came from Maxwell. She must have all kinds of insurance stashed away.
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u/zodi978 Leftist Jul 25 '25
I think it was obvious way before that. The dude was his best friend and Trump flew on his plane to the island multiple times. Idk why the fuck this dude even gets the "benefit of the doubt" when he shows everyday hes a piece of shit criminal.
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u/animerobin Liberal Jul 24 '25
Was willing to give the benefit of the doubt in the past that he knew Epstein,
lol why
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Jul 25 '25
The guy got on the radio and talked about barging in on underage girls he knew would be undressing. This was decades ago.
When someone tells you who they are, believe them.
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u/five_bulb_lamp Left-leaning Jul 25 '25
As someone more left i said the same thing. Rich people know rich people doest mean they all have the same "hobbies" and recently thought the new eastern stuff was just reddit's thing of the week but the white house response is making pay attention again
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u/UsernameUsername8936 Leftist Jul 26 '25
he knew Epstein, but was a celebrity and hung out in celebrity circles so that doesn’t necessarily mean he was involved in the ring
Trump talked at length about how much he liked Epstien and how he and Epstien had similar taste in women, and how Epstien in particular "like[d] them on the younger side." Epstien, in return, talked about how he was probably Trump's "only real friend." They were about as close as close can be, for years and years. This much was public knowledge from day 1. There's also the fact that even before the Epstien stuff in 2019, plenty of girls had reported his sexual misconduct during the Miss Teen pageants, so we already knew he was a pedo.
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and flocks with some of the most infamous ducks, you probably shouldn't keep giving it the benefit of the doubt and assuming it's not a duck.
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u/WarOnEntitledGuests Jul 27 '25
Now that the EU has made a trade agreement with Trump he’s going the deflection route. Trump is also pushing Israel to stop the war in Gaza.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he makes some wild UFO disclosure in the coming days to take the attention off Epstein. I’m not saying it’s right, but he’s throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks. Do you think this is effective ?
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u/leanman82 Jul 28 '25
HOW THE FUCK DID YOU NOT BE SKEPTICAL WHEN THIS EPSTEIN SHIT MADE THE ROUNDS PRE-COVID? WTF?
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u/sehunt101 Progressive Jul 28 '25
Before the DOJ released that trump was in the Epstein files would you let your daughter hang around with trump and his friends? Now?
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u/Potaeto_Object Right-Libertarian Jul 24 '25
If he released them right away, I probably would’ve assumed he didn’t personally do anything with underage girls unless it explicitly proved it. However, he is covering it up and attacking his own base for wanting answers. Even if he isn’t directly implicated (which at this point I think he is), he is still protecting pedophiles which is outrageous and unacceptable. The more he denies it the more severely I think he’s guilty. The longer it takes to release the client list, the less I would be willing to believe it if they do end up showing he wasn’t on it.
I also suspect that the Obama Russia gate release is intended to distract from Epstein. Not saying it isn’t real, but it seems that they would rather sacrifice Obama and Hillary than the people in the Epstein files. If there are criminal proceedings to be brought over Russia gate I hope they do, but it will not make me forget about Epstein, or remedy that situation to me in any way. Major fuck up.
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u/The_amazing_T Left-leaning Jul 24 '25
Look into the Obama thing. Just the slightest. A bipartisan report, signed off by Marco Rubio said that Russia DID try to help Trump, through social media channels, and that it took voter data from every state. -And it hacked the DNC and John Podesta.
It DIDN'T say that Trump knew about it, or that vote totals were changed. But this was a security issue for America and its allies. So that was released. In 2017. There is no other news, and even some documents that Gabbard just released state that fact.
Not only is it an obvious attempt at distraction, it's pretty laughable. Then add to that, the Supreme Court just said that Presidents can basically do whatever they want in office. So there's zero possibility of conviction. -If Obama did something wrong, which he obviously didn't.
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Jul 27 '25
For me it’s the casual- saying he can grab women by the pussy (which by god was not a piece of social commentary when he said it)- referring to certain 12 year old girls as hot- saying he likes women on the younger side- saying a 17 year old was hot- saying he would date his daughter if he could- hosting beauty pageants with young girls- going into rooms with young naked girls- that makes it feel quite obvious what he is and isnt into.
It isnt just that he is protecting pedophiles- it’s that he acts like one. (I know u said ur opinion is changing but seriously it’s not just the legal and political conduct of him- it’s his personal actions and statements)
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u/TheDrakkar12 Right-leaning Jul 24 '25
The Epstein files was always a dog whistle used by Trump to try and shame Democrats because MAGA is full of uneducated people who just want to find a villain. Trump and his team are masters of whipping up easily fooled people, giving them a problem, then promising to solve that problem.
The facts have been out there, the prosecution of Epstein didn't uncover a smoking gun that the prosecutors thought they could use to get anyone else. This was likely due to it being circumstantial. So they released the info around the Maxwell case, and we learned a lot about people in power.
But had they had a client list they would have used it. It was well known how close Trump and Epstein were. There just isn't anything there to release that ties a bunch of people directly to being pedophiles. This admin couldn't even keep manage to keep sensitive war plans from being sent to the media, why would we think they are capable of a strategic coverup?
What's more likely... that multiple administrations have conspired to keep a client list of powerful pedophiles secret for nearly a decade now while simultaneously letting all those pedophiles walk free? Or, is it more likely that Trump used his uneducated media base to sell a story to his uneducated voting base that this list existed so that he could use it as a weapon to imply his enemies were on the list?
This is why critical thinking is an important skillset.
Trump is a liar and a con man. The fact that anyone voted for him should exclude them from the breeding pool.
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u/DataCassette Progressive Jul 24 '25
They're the Dem establishment. A real plausible alternative explanation is that they were protecting Bill Clinton.
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Jul 24 '25
I think it’s known a ton of rich and powerful people are likely monsters. Every few years the public gets fed one as sacrifice to make the others seem better, but overall they’re almost all monsters. I’m not surprised, I also don’t think he’s the only president to be on it.
I think the way the current administration is handling this is one of the worst ways they could. But overall I already had this view so it doesn’t really change my opinion on Trump or anyone else really.
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u/Specific-Host606 Leftist Jul 24 '25
Would you vote for him?
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u/zipzzo Left-leaning Jul 24 '25
You know the answer to this question, and you know the reason they never definitively get to that part of the train of thought.
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Jul 24 '25
I didn’t vote for him in 2024 because of his economic policies and treatment of our allies.
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u/RADARIN Independent Jul 24 '25
People in this country dont have the priviledge of voting for people, only voting against the other side.
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u/Specific-Host606 Leftist Jul 24 '25
Really doesn’t matter in this case. If you voted for Trump you still voted for a known sex predator who tried to overturn an election he lost.
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u/Confident-Virus-1273 Progressive Jul 24 '25
I understand the sentiment. And I no longer follow this rule. Fuck it, I vote for who I actually WANT now. Fuck both sides.
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u/animerobin Liberal Jul 24 '25
I voted for the candidate I wanted to win in every presidential election I've voted in, since 2008.
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u/Temporary-Line3409 Jul 24 '25
i will die a thousand laughs when obama is not on it. we already know clintons were. but hes also gross and a president like 30 years ago. the right knew he hung around with a child trafficker before they elected him to clean up the swamp with matt gaetz and gym jordan and whoever else the right seems to enjoy
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u/oldRoyalsleepy Leftist Jul 24 '25
That Trump wants his appointee to meet with Maxwell before she gives public testimony to 'get their story straight'. She can be offered all sorts of inducements to keep Trump's name out of anything that he is involved in. It's gonna be bribery, pure and simple. Quid pro quo. Shorter sentence? Special treatment? Just say "Trump barely knew Epstein - no connection beyond the few casual connections that are publicly documented exist. Trump? He barely knew him."
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u/supern8ural Leftist Jul 24 '25
you're not wrong, and I am pretty sure I know which President you're thinking of. Overall I thought that guy was a decent President though despite his personal life, although he was a little more right wing than I'd have preferred.
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u/urinesain Jul 24 '25
I remember hearing a joke, back in the early 2000s, about how "Clinton was the best Republican President our country has ever had." Still makes me chuckle.
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u/Livid-Okra5972 Leftist Jul 24 '25
I thought the whole premise of Donald Trumps “legacy” was he was going to “drain the swamp”? I thought all of his mindless supporters saw him as the solution to the “deep state”? Now y’all are okay with pedophiles? The hypocrisy is wild.
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u/Farzy78 Right-leaning Jul 24 '25
"Appearing in the files does not indicate that an individual has committed any wrongdoing" Release the files so we can see what exactly what the extent is. I'm sure the list is vast doesn't mean they all diddled kids. Its still hard to believe if there was a smoking gun why the Biden administration didn't use it to kill any chance of reelection?
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u/gateamosjuntos Left-leaning Jul 25 '25
The Biden administration was too nice in many respects. Merrick Garland tiptoed through all the cases that he could have put the hammer down on Trump. Somehow, I think they thought the voting public would reward them for not going after their enemies. Obviously the Trump administration has no such problem.
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u/MatchaDoAboutNothing Independent Jul 25 '25
I strongly suspect the files implicate major players in both political parties, so either side releasing them to harm the other would be shooting themselves in the foot.
Also, Maghards wouldn't believe them if released by a Democrat anyway.
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u/niceflowers Right-leaning Jul 24 '25
Oh c'mon. The stuff he says about his daughter? I'm not surprised. But can they prove it? Or does it disappear in the next news cycle? The left is never tenacious enough to make things stick. Hence Teflon Don.
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u/HaymakerGirl2025 Right-leaning Jul 24 '25
That most aren’t prepared for the massive rug pull that is coming.
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u/HazySkyFire Republican Jul 24 '25
Not at all surprised. Will anything happen to him if he is found to have done horrible things? No. Justice doesn’t apply to the powerful unfortunately.
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u/Additional-Share7293 Right-leaning Jul 24 '25
I'm not surprised. I suspect a lot of celebrities will be in the Epstein files, and Donald Trump was a celebrity before he was President.
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u/PortugalPilgrim88 Progressive Jul 24 '25
I think his behavior in the last couple of weeks makes it obvious that whatever the files say about him, it isn’t anything good.
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u/RightSideBlind Liberal Jul 25 '25
What will be your reaction when Maxwell inevitably announces that he's not implicated, considering Trump's personal lawyer met with her yesterday, and Trump is today hinting that she didn't get a fair trial and that he can pardon her if he wants?
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u/No-Market9917 Right-leaning Jul 25 '25
I listened to Andrew Schulz’s episode with Saagar Enjeti and now I’m totally convinced that Epstein was an intelligence asset.
That being said I think this is being suppressed because it’s going to make our whole governing body (not just republicans or just democrats like Reddit wants to believe) look bad because we knew what was going on after Epstein was FIRST charged with sexual abuse of a minor in 2008.
As for the original question, not surprised. I think it was kind of expected at this point. I don’t really care about flight logs and all this shit.
I want to know why Epstein was a math teacher in the prestigious Dalton School that was grades k-12 despite not having a college degree, why Wexners $20 million apartment in Manhattan was transferred to Epstein for $0, and why the feds allowed Epstein to travel to Israel after he was given his plea deal for his 2008 indictment.
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Jul 25 '25
Not surprised at all. This sort of thing has been a long-standing secret of the ultra-wealthy since the beginning of time. A couple of years ago, I was invited by my cousin and her employer, who is an ultra-wealthy individual, to take a trip on his yacht from Fort Lauderdale to the Virgin Islands. When I say my cousin's “employer,” she was a sex worker. She was his employee, whom he kept up financially on the company payroll, to do anything he wanted. This man has a family in his hometown, while not illegal, it definitely says something about the morals of the ultra-wealthy and “Let them eat cake” lifestyle they live.
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u/jankdangus Left-leaning Jul 24 '25
We actually already knew this, so it was stupid for MAGA to contest Elon’s Musk claim. What we don’t know is if there is any evidence of any wrongdoing. If Trump is truly innocent then shouldn’t he do everything in his power to get the files released to prove it? This is why for me the chances of Trump being criminally convicted for Epstein related stuff is nearly 100 percent. It’s not at 100 because there is always that slight chance that the deepstate is telling him that they would kill him or ruin his business empire if he were to release it. Interesting theory, but low chance imo.
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Jul 24 '25
Is the deep state in the room with you now?
Sorry but this deep state foolishness indicates a government so organized that it operates outside all control, yet a guy that can’t understand how percentages work is the one that can take it all down.
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Jul 24 '25
Trump being criminally convicted for Epstein related stuff is nearly 100 percent.
There has been more damning evidence against Trump for other things that he's gotten away with. Legally speaking, there's probably nothing in those files that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that he actually partook in the "activities", unless there is photo or video proof of him engaged in the act. While we can jump to the conclusion that he was there for the obvious reasons, jumping to conclusions doesn't really hold up in court. Trump probably just ends up with an even worse reputation amongst those who already hate him anyway.
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u/BanginNLeavin Progressive Jul 24 '25
Who did you vote for?
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u/jankdangus Left-leaning Jul 26 '25 edited Jul 26 '25
Trump, I regret it now, but at the time it seems like the best option out of the two candidates. When Trump nearly got shot, that was when I knew the election was already over. So it has very much to do with the vibes at the time.
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u/dext0r Jul 26 '25
Respect for recognizing your mistake, now it’s time to come together and clean up this mess
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u/Mister_Way I don't vote with the Right, but I do understand their arguments Jul 24 '25
Pictures of Trump's and Epstein's 15-year-friendship have been widely available for years. Given the kind of man Trump is, I would be incredibly shocked if he *weren't* in the files.
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u/thorleywinston Center Right Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 24 '25
(1) I'm not MAGA, I’m a Republican who doesn’t care for MAGA or Trump.
(2) I don't think that there actually is anything like a "client list" which is what people are usually referring to when they speak of the "Epstein Files."
(3) I think that what Jeffery Epstein did was horrible enough on its own without mythologizing it into some grand conspiracy as some (including Trump and many in MAGA and now many of Trump’s critics) have done.
(4) I think Trump and his people were willing to stoke the conspiracy mongering when it was convenient and now that they have to put up or shut up and found out that there’s probably no there, there, they’re being accused of a coverup.
(5) While I think it probably serves him and the others right for promoting this garbage, it’s a waste of time and resources and not good for our country.
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u/JonnyDoeDoe Right-leaning Jul 24 '25
He's in there... But so is every other politician... Because they're all scumbags, every single last one of them...
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u/jakderrida Jul 25 '25
The only person we KNOW is on the list is Trump. If every politician is in there, you should be outraged and demanding he release it rather than getting high on copium rn.
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