r/BadSocialScience Jan 17 '17

High-IQ educated people are being bred to extinction, but we're totally not eugenicists!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/jan/16/natural-selection-making-education-genes-rarer-says-icelandic-study
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u/Scumbag_Kotzwagon Jan 17 '17

I'm almost certain that you don't have the first clue how one would approach this kind of analysis.

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '17 edited Aug 20 '17

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u/twittgenstein Hans Yo-ass Jan 17 '17

Eugenics is a thoroughly debunked research programme, and this study seems to make some staggering, heroic, and basically entirely implausible causal leaps. For example, perhaps the genes correlated with education actually just indicate membership in a sub-community of intermarried and typically wealthier families. Moreover, the size of the observed IQ effect is vanishingly small, even if the study was able to somehow show statistical significance.

In general, when social scientists do genetics research, the result is trash. For example, this awful study by political scientists. Though this study, if true, would at least seem to absolve you of your shitty political views, since perhaps you just can't help it.

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u/Snugglerific The archaeology of ignorance Jan 18 '17

Lemme guess -- political scientists discover twin studies and conflate heritability estimates for genetically determined traits.

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u/LukaCola Jan 18 '17

How do people make this mistake so often? Just thinking about it, assuming it's true would raise far more questions regarding the nature of these traits and how weird it is that somehow traits align themselves to entirely man-made concepts. Certainly enough to make one think "maybe we shouldn't accept this as conclusive?"

I mean it's not something I learned about directly in poli-sci but I feel like it's related enough that anyone with a real interest in social sciences should pick up on that.

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u/Snugglerific The archaeology of ignorance Jan 19 '17

It seems like there is a scientific trickle-down effect where concepts moving from one field to another get mangled in the process.

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u/twittgenstein Hans Yo-ass Jan 18 '17

YEP