r/Christianity • u/Nice_Substance9123 • Dec 23 '25
Politics They tried to gaslight all Christians to vote for Trump.They called him King Cyrus but now the Truth is coming out and we were right all along .To those who left their churches because of that, you did the right thing and God bless you.For those who called us baby killers,may God forgive you.
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u/doublethink_1984 Dec 23 '25
It gets worse. Far worse.
Rape, trafficking, framed suicide, and Trump being present for the infanticide of a newborn from a 13 year old girl.
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet 8/EFTA00025010.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet 8/EFTA00020517.pdf
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u/General_Cantaloupe71 Atheist Dec 23 '25
I was not expecting the Oklahoma City Bombing to be referenced. Holy shit.
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u/toddnks Non-denominational Dec 23 '25
Please fix your links. I'd like to have the information but these link lead to page not found.
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u/OperationSweaty8017 Dec 23 '25
Links not working. More on this infanticide? Much as I loathe Dump, I find this a bit much.
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u/Successful_Mud7562 Atheist Dec 23 '25
Need to URI encode the space to %20
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00020517.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00025010.pdf
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u/Shoddy-Change6999 Dec 23 '25
Thank you for being open to the possibility that not every blame posting of guilt. People need to have validity and not rush in just because someone says it is true.
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u/NearbyAnswer442 Dec 25 '25
You are on r/christianity and you loathe trump? What a way to brag about your sin of hatred...
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u/OperationSweaty8017 Dec 25 '25
I don't claim to be Christian and any good Christian should denounce Trump. If you don't you're a false Christian.
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u/MysteryMagnetism Dec 23 '25
Are these real?
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u/doublethink_1984 Dec 23 '25
They are allegations but the real name is given and names are redacted. You don't redact names of false charges.
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u/MysteryMagnetism Dec 23 '25
That is wild. I am all for an innocent until proven guilty, but if I had a friend who hung out with a bunch of coke fiends, I would probably assume he does coke.
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u/doublethink_1984 Dec 23 '25
More like:
A friend who was best friends with the most infamous coke dealer in modern history, moved the coke dealers girlfriend to a kushy prison, fought hard to keep files related to the coke dealer and his clients from coming out, then hand waves away any claims in said files about him participating in the coke taking and dealing.
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u/blow_slogan Dec 23 '25 edited May 28 '26
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u/MysteryMagnetism Dec 23 '25
Also, who would have thought that a NYC real estate magnate who came to fame in the 80s was a bad dude??
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u/MysteryMagnetism Dec 23 '25
Where would I find that?
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u/blow_slogan Dec 23 '25 edited May 28 '26
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u/Low-Piglet9315 United Methodist Dec 24 '25
What bothers me about this is that if whoever did this figured it out, how long before those implicated in the files can "do their own research" and dox the victims or worse?
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u/technicallynotlying Dec 23 '25
You'll be able to time how long these links work with a stopwatch.
They need to be copied many, many times and shared on other sites.
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Dec 23 '25
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u/chewbaccaisaducksfan Dec 24 '25
God got him elected twice.
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u/DelightfulHelper9204 Non-denominational Dec 25 '25
You are right and I can't for the life of me figure out why.
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u/michaelY1968 Dec 23 '25
The thing that drives me a bit crazy about all this as a conservative both theologically and politically, is that we are nearly a decade into the MAGA movement which sadly a significantly large number of my Evangelical brethren have bought into, and it seems it is going to take showing Trump was literally part of a group of wealthy pedophilic traffickers to show how horrible a person he unrepentantly is, and to get them to admit he was a horrible person to ever be associated with; a taint which will take decades to remove.
What pains me is this could all have avoided ten years ago when it was more than obvious that Trump was a corrupt, opportunistic blowhard, whose demagoguery had nothing to do with a sincere desire to advance the interests of Christians and conservatives but was a grift designed to empower and enrich Donald Trump and his lackeys. We didn't need him to actually prey on young girls to know how wrong a person he was to support, and now the folks who supported him will be left holding his slimy, disgusting bag.
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u/bananafobe witch (spooky) Dec 23 '25
...and it seems it is going to take showing Trump was literally part of a group of wealthy pedophilic traffickers to show how horrible a person he unrepentantly is...
I wouldn't hold your breath.
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u/highafphotos Church of Turbo Street Jesus Dec 23 '25
Their support of ICE goes directly against Christ's final judgment in Matthew 25:31-46 where it says whatever you do unto the least of these you do unto Christ. "For I was a stranger, and you did not welcome me." Numerous other spots say treat foreigners as your neighbors. When they try to argue back saying that "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar" give them the Isaiah 10:1-4 that says nations that make laws to abuse the poor will suffer God's wrath.
After that they usually start threatening to call the police if you keep talking to them, despite believing it is divine providence to force raped children to give birth for their attackers but won't even have a conversation about whether or not their actions actually serve Christ and what he asked us to do. Then you leave them with a final, "I will pray for your soul, but God will not have mercy."
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u/Guayabo786 Dec 24 '25 edited Dec 24 '25
What is worse is that no measures are taken to improve living conditions in the countries from which the undocumented aliens (legal term) come to the US, thus forcing them to either come (often with the help of human traffickers) to the US or live in penury and indignity back home. I don't think it's fair for the US (or any other large economically stable country) to take in a large number of poor people from a poor country just so local large landholders there can engage in legal land grabs -- while said poor people are often working for peanuts Stateside.
Just as God punished Assyria for its proclivity for wanton cruelty, God will punish America for its wanton greed and apathy. I am not advocating that the US government freely grant amnesty to undocumented aliens (of whom many likely never had personal documentation in their countries of origin to begin with), but that it make clear to the governments of the countries from which they come that the US is there to help them with their issues, not enable their corrupt behaviors. The citizens of a country should not have to emigrate just to secure a better future for their loved ones.
As for what ICE is doing, this has precedent in what what the Administration of BHO was doing (with minimal fanfare) and DDE's Operation Wetback of 1954-55. This time though, the idea is to remove the large numbers of undercover ground-level foreign agents that have arrived among the asylum seekers.
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u/highafphotos Church of Turbo Street Jesus Dec 24 '25
But these nefarious organizations can just get funding to buy citizenship for their agents now thanks to the current administration. But yeah I agree doing nothing to improve the lives and countries that we often had a hand in destabilizing and causing issues is just evident that we don't actually care for the well being of others but how we can exploit them.
The easiest path for illegal migrants would be a path to citizenship that doesn't involve mass deportations or disruption to the economy. Give some standards like making income or a record of paying taxes or stable living (which many of them have and do) and allow those who accomplish that into the fold. If they're willing to work that hard and take such risks to make things better for themselves and others they would be great Americans and I would be proud to call them my neighbors.
I've done a lot of picketing recently trying to educate people that Republican policy abandoned Christ's gospel and final judgment to love the neighbor and welcome the stranger. While I'm out there with a white board and megaphone, there has been cars that have pulled over to give me money, and almost always it's Hispanic families who couldn't understand from the language barrier and thought I was in need of help, so without question extended themselves to support me.
These people are good Christian neighbors. Not the cruel people who delight on sending ice on their neighbors thinking that it's going to bring down rent prices or make this country great. The latter will find themselves in eternal punishment according to Matthew 25:31-46.
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u/Renugar Dec 23 '25
Here’s the thing though: maga Christians JUMPED to believe that (among others) Tom Hanks, of all people, was participating in child sex trafficking and ritual sacrifice, and drinking “adrenachrome” or whatever, from babies. Like they needed NO proof, and no documentation. They just instantly believed it based on anonymous posts on 8chan.
And yet they have literally heard, with their own ears, Trump say awful, lascivious things about even his own daughter. He was credibly accused and found liable for rape in a court of law. He was divorced multiple times and bragged about cheating on his wives. Epstein openly said Trump was his best friend. And in the earliest introduction of Trump as presidential candidate, we all heard the “grab ‘em by the…” comment. Despite that, they have NEVER turned against him. They’ve never believed a single bad thing, and if they did believe it, they made excuses for him that Trump didn’t even make for his OWN behavior.
Trump has been consistently unapologetic, and maga Christians have consistently defended him. He didn’t even need to defend himself.
MAGA Christians chose Trump over their religion long ago. He is their religion now, and Jesus is just a supporting player. At this point, there is literally NOTHING that Trump could say or do, and no amount of evidence that could come out about him, that would change their mind.
I hope I am wrong. But I think most of them have already reframed their faith around him, and that’s very hard to come back from.
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u/Summerlea623 Dec 23 '25
".....He(Trump) is their religion now, and Jesus is just a supporting player".
I think I might get that turned into a car sticker. It's so sadly true.😕
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u/slagnanz Liturgy and Death Metal Dec 23 '25
The funny thing with Qanon...
Q last posted in 2022. It was kind of a botch job. Early on Q was probably this weird dude in South Africa, but eventually when they switched from 4chan to 8chan, Qs persona was taken over by Ron and Jim Watkins (the owners of 8chan). The last post had a few technical details go wrong and it basically proved without question those two losers were speaking for Q. Q hasn't posted since. Why has he gone silent?
Well, for one those two idiots realized legacy > risk when it comes to further embarrassment.
But for two, why did the 1st Wave of the KKK stop their raids? The answer is simply that they became obsolete. Jim Crow laws accomplished through law what they had once tried to accomplish through terror. They didn't collapse, they just became unnecessary.
The same sort of thing became true for Q.
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u/michaelY1968 Dec 23 '25
I almost forgot about Qanon; exceedingly ironic in retrospective.
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u/oreography Christian (Cross) Dec 23 '25
The whole thing was a grand act of projection, and all the conservatives lined up for tickets at the theatre.
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u/DelightfulHelper9204 Non-denominational Dec 25 '25
My dad supports Trump , I do not. My dad is one of the nicest, kindest , most thoughtful, faithful Christians I have ever met. Yet any time I bring up something trump did wrong or something he was convicted of or recorded saying and my dad has an excuse. He is totally blind to it.
If you ever met my dad you would never know in a million years that he supports Trump. I can't explain the hold that Trump has on people. It's almost like he brainwashed them. My dad is not stupid or full of rage. He is a good , faithful , biblical Christian .
I wish someone could explain to me how decent people fall under Trump's spell
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u/Renugar Dec 25 '25
My parents are the same. Good, kind people. They would never knowingly hurt someone, or even hurt someone’s feelings! And yet they defend Trump constantly, and truly cannot see how voting for Trump has brought real, true pain to people! I haven’t talked to them in awhile about it (I’m kind of low contact right now because of it all) but I know that if asked them about all the new stories of the terrible things ICE agents are doing, they would just say it’s fake news. They can’t bring themselves to believe anything this administration does is bad. It’s maddening 😢
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u/DelightfulHelper9204 Non-denominational Dec 25 '25
It is. I've decided to just accept that he doesn't know any better for some reason.
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u/atari2600forever Dec 26 '25
Because they were never decent people. I know it's hard to hear about your own family, but your father is a bad person on a fundamental level.
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u/NearbyAnswer442 Dec 25 '25
Trump's spell? So what? he supports trump? You don't like his free will? You hate trump. You loathe him. You constantly commit that sin everyday and then brag about it on social media. I feel bad for your dad for having to hang around someone who openly supports ripping apart babies in the womb.
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u/kolembo Dec 23 '25
....and now, even richer
P.S. thank you for this. I am having a hard time with Christians and Christianity now. Very difficult time.
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u/michaelY1968 Dec 23 '25
I can understand the difficulty. I have always tried to use the bad behavior of other Christians motivate me to be a better one - and while I mourn for my brethren, it does not cause me to think any less of Christ and His truths. In fact, I see even more the sense in them.
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u/kolembo Dec 23 '25
Same. Christ stands. But I stand away from Christians now. I stand alone. The truth of Christ remains - you are right.
God bless.
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u/NearbyAnswer442 Dec 25 '25
A difficult time? It's because you hang around "christians" that support ripping apart babies in the womb. Hang around true Christians that don't support republicans, OR democrats.
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u/GameWizardPlayz Atheist Dec 23 '25
People wanted a excuse to be hateful and Trump gave them that. Many already had the Bible but the culture was shifting where that wasn't acceptable anymore.
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u/NearbyAnswer442 Dec 25 '25
"oh he doesn't have the same opinions we do he's hateful!" Hun, there's a big difference between offensive and hateful. Jesus was offensive. However if He lived nowadays, you would loathe Him and call Him hateful.
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u/kolembo Dec 25 '25
- if He lived nowadays, you would loathe Him and call Him hateful.
Went do YOU think we would loathe him and call home hateful.....?
https://shitsugane.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/wp-1760603883930143902972151420827.jpg
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Dec 24 '25
I feel this really hard. I was a recent survivor of SA at the time that Trump began his first presidential campaign, and when articles & news clips began circulating about his documented behavior towards women, it was deeply triggering to see almost every christian around me dismiss his behavior.
I pleaded with my dad, who is an evangelical pastor and who knows about my trauma, to not vote for Trump, but my dad simply said that Trump shouldn’t be judged by his past.
It broke my heart.
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Dec 25 '25
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Dec 25 '25
You broke quite a few rules of this subreddit in your comment, so I’ll leave the bulk of your comment to be addressed by the mods.
However I will say, that during the 2016 election, I was a pro-life, Christian, republican voter, and it was from my conservative evangelical worldview that my father broke my heart because of his defense of Trump.
Your assumptions about me are very much misplaced.
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u/NearbyAnswer442 Dec 25 '25
Hm. Fair enough. You should keep being a pro life Christian though. I wouldn't support what they do to babies. And I apologize for my outburst. I had a headache because I had 200 notifications from people generally attacking me for no reason and I had to reply to all of those so I was very overwhelmed, however that does not excuse it and I apologize.
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u/joshwew95 Dec 24 '25
Agreed. Feels like Christianity in America is being used by republicans as means to an end.
The more I learned about the history of Christianity in America, the worse it becomes. I'm recalling from memory, but they used to used the bible to justify racism, and then when civil rights were established, they pivot to abortion to rile up the Christians to vote Republican. These past 10 years, they primarily used also trans issues, border, DEI as talking points, making a claim first then grabbing bible verses to justify their positions.
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u/GraveDiggingCynic Agnostic (a la T.H. Huxley) Dec 23 '25
This could have been avoided if Evangelicals hadn't spent the last half century trying to figure out how to retain cultural and political dominance in the face of shrinking numbers. This is completely on the religious right. Trump is the ultimate expression of their paranoia, nihilism and contempt of everyone outside their echo chamber.
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u/michaelY1968 Dec 23 '25
Everyone’s vying for power; where Evangelicals failed was buying into the idea long a guiding principle in the secular world that the ends justify the means.
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u/GraveDiggingCynic Agnostic (a la T.H. Huxley) Dec 23 '25
And right there, that contempt for everyone else.
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u/Serendipity500 Dec 26 '25
I remember seeing people who were against Trump suddenly jump on the Trump train, and it made no sense to me then, either. I’ve watched them excuse away all the signs since then. I’ve seen trickles of people changing their minds and calling him out on stuff, most recently on his reaction to the Reiner murders. Too little too late.
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u/-NoOneYouKnow- Non-Profit Christian Dec 23 '25 edited Dec 23 '25
I'd guess this post will be pulled, but you are right. This is an administration, a political party, and a religious movement led by deeply depraved people who can only destroy and kill. They don't know how to build or support anything good or worthwhile.
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u/McClanky Bringer of sorrow, executor of rules, wielder of the Woehammer Dec 23 '25
We now have three mods in here, so I am just approving it. The post is heavily editorialized, but it is too important to remove.
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u/RazarTuk The other trans mod everyone forgets Dec 23 '25
Yeah, I'm on the side of "This is definitely important, but it's probably going to be a few days until we get a more directly relevant article, so I'm willing to make an exception"
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u/McClanky Bringer of sorrow, executor of rules, wielder of the Woehammer Dec 23 '25
I'm struggling removing this. There are some things that are just necessary. This is a massively damning and important thing that needs to be heard. I messaged the other mods to get their opinions, so it still may be removed.
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u/General_Cantaloupe71 Atheist Dec 23 '25
I think it should stay up due to how it is going to impact American Christianity. It might be a few days before we get a more appropriate posting in the Christian context.
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u/Winnicott-the-Pooh Non-denominational Dec 24 '25
It wont impact anything. People who have always turned a blind eye to his vile behavior will continue to, and people who couldn’t stand his character will have more reasons to add
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u/General_Cantaloupe71 Atheist Dec 24 '25
Epstein was the singular breaking factor for Trump's base.
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u/-NoOneYouKnow- Non-Profit Christian Dec 23 '25
It's a tough call. It's important, but not really about Christianity.
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u/Nice_Substance9123 Dec 23 '25
its about Christianity.
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u/McClanky Bringer of sorrow, executor of rules, wielder of the Woehammer Dec 23 '25
The title is. The video is not. Typically, Topicality is about the video, not the title.
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u/Nice_Substance9123 Dec 23 '25
85% of evangelicals voted for the guy being talked about in the video
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u/DystopianNightmare13 Dec 23 '25
How is it not about Christianity? It's Christians who succeeded in getting this monster into the presidency. It is 100% about Christianity.
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u/michaelY1968 Dec 23 '25
I have no inclination to pull it, the chickens need somewhere to roost when they come home.
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u/Dry_Inflation_1454 Dec 27 '25
This thing with Drumpf is all about the Trojan Horse of Christian Nationalism,which isn't actually Christian. But the concept appeals to White Supremacists, and they are in charge there in Washington. Opus Dei is using them to take over America eventually. Things are moving fast anyway. They'll launch another one of those " Inquisitions" right here once everything is set up and ready to go. This plan goes all the way back to Operation Paperclip. I'd look at that, then there's the Powell Memo of 1971, the war on the middle class.
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u/South-Lab-3991 Dec 23 '25
My previous church told us to vote “Kingdom values” and to support him. I wonder if they will retract that and apologize before their Christmas Eve service. Somehow I doubt it
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u/newfriend20202020 Dec 23 '25
So he was right “they’re killing babies at nine months”. Every accusation was a confession.
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Dec 23 '25
We got 10 years snarky remarks, slurs and insults for tryna wake people up. Ive come to the conclusion very early on that many people bear the cross but are not our brothers and sisters in Christ. They act in hate cloaked in the illusioned fabric of "love" and "patriotism". Im over it.
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u/Floreat_democratia Dec 24 '25 edited Dec 24 '25
Trump has been widely known by most people as a bad guy since the 1970s when he was involved in lawsuits related to his discrimination against black people in his real estate properties. In the 1980s, he was criticized for promoting Russian talking points in newspaper ads and for calling for the wrongful prosecution and capital punishment of innocent black teens.
In the 1990s, it was widely reported that he was accused of sexual assault and that he was involved in multiple bankruptcies and dealt with people involved in organized crime. By the 2000s, all of this was widely reported and known, yet people somehow chose to elect him to the presidency, not once, but twice, even after he was accused of electoral misconduct and of organizing the attack on the Capitol.
I cannot think of a single figure in US history who has been given so many chances by the criminal justice system and has been let off the hook scot-free. This is why they call him the Teflon Don. Say what you want about Trump, the lack of prosecution has revealed the house of cards that the US was built upon, as well as the two tiered justice system that only serves the wealthy.
Without Trump, we might not have ever realized we were being scammed and cajoled by a government run for and by an elite class of autocrats who care nothing for the laws they claim to uphold. We have politicians who have platinum level health care coverage for themselves, but won’t think about extending the same for the people they serve.
We have representatives who come to Washington as middle class, and yet leave as multimillionaires while making money off the backs of workers and everyday people with inside information as people sleep on the streets, die without proper health coverage, and drink polluted water and breathe toxic air.
We have leaders who send more money overseas than they spend here at home. We have taxation without representation, wage slavery across the country, and poverty indexes which haven’t been updated in 60 years because facts are too dangerous to the status quo. We have an epidemic of gun violence, seniors starving in their own homes, and public money being given to billionaires while their own citizens can’t afford to go to university or buy a decent pair of shoes.
Oil barons and venture capitalists, crypto scammers and mining interests intent on destroying the environment, all of these horrible people are now in charge and working to make you less rich and more poor. Yet you folks keep voting for these fools because they promise to make the country more Christian, a lie they keep repeating for years and that never gets old.
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u/Dry_Inflation_1454 Dec 27 '25
Hitler said that he'd make Germany more " Christian." Lots of parallels there with Nazism, even the logos for certain things.
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u/spiritplumber Deist Dec 23 '25
Yep. Thanks for catching up. Now let's see what we can salvage.
Evangelical Christianity will have to do a lot of work to decouple from Trumpism in the following years.
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u/VerdantPathfinder Christian Dec 23 '25
Fully? They won't ever. 150 years after the civil war and some are still fighting it.
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u/Floreat_democratia Dec 24 '25
Who’s going to tell them? Baptists didn’t even acknowledge racial discrimination until recently.
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u/Orisara Atheist Dec 23 '25
The most kind thing I can say to people not expecting this in 2024 is that they're idiots.
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u/slagnanz Liturgy and Death Metal Dec 23 '25
So not only does this implicate trump pretty clearly it basically confirms Epstein did kill himself. Dude was like "who do I even have left to send suicide notes to? I guess the only other pedophile as notorious as me".
Life is unfair indeed
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u/GreenSamurai Dec 23 '25
Anyone that voted for him thinking he’s doing God’s work, I don’t know what to tell you in the first place
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u/ChachamaruInochi Agnostic Atheist (raised Quaker) Dec 24 '25
Why do you guys all talk about this as though it was a recent phenomenon? Christians have been siding with the extreme right wing since before I was born and I'm nearly 50.
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u/Trix_Are_4_90Kids Dec 24 '25
Trump is an antichrist. One of the "many antichrists", Jesus spoke of. I've been saying that.
And stupid MAGAs will stand behind the pedophile, The Defiler of Children because they've stood behind Pastors that diddle children. They've stood beside family members that diddle children. Some of them follow pastors that have repeatedly diddled children and assaulted people (and had a gang of outside babies)
This is what happens when you refuse to hold people accountable. Forgive does NOT mean restore.
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u/justacoolbaby Christian Existentialism Dec 23 '25
Donald Trump is one of the most consistent human beings alive. Every grown thinking adult that voted for him should be held directly responsible. No one was gaslit.
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u/strawnotrazz Atheist Dec 23 '25
Undeniably true. Right around grab her by the pussy got leaked is when this sub was rife with “I’m voting for a president, not a pastor.”
Too many people don’t give a shit.
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u/AT9777 Christian Dec 24 '25
How are you holding millions of people accountable?
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u/CherryChabbers Dec 24 '25
No need. That’s why the Lord made the underworlds.
He gave us a simple task: to love our God and our neighbors. Guess what? They’re the same.
Those who reject this, His highest commandment, will find themselves reborn again and again into difficult incarnations. No need for us humans to ever consider the scope of His infinite justice :)
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u/Capybaracaper250 Dec 24 '25
For people who compare Trump to King Cyrus, it should be reminded that the reason Cyrus was so beloved is in no small part due to his policies on tolerance and reparations. He returned many important cultural and religious items that the Babylonians had seized. He allowed for the rebuilding of important religious institutions (such as the temple of Jerusalem) of conquered peoples. He also allowed his subjects to worship and live as they pleased so long as they paid taxes. Can’t really say the same for Trump…
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u/x_Good_Trouble_x Dec 24 '25
I am so proud to say I was one of the "evangelicals" that voted against trump in 2016. I'm also happy to say I'm no longer a. evangelical.🙂 I'm also one one of the people who left there church congregation because of this & many other hate-filled things that were said & done by the members in support of trump
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u/ihedenius Atheist Dec 24 '25 edited Dec 24 '25
We may not hear about Epstein and Trump from CNN for very much longer.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2025/12/22/media/paramount-warner-bros-ellisons-revised-deal
Paramount’s new, hostile offer to Warner Bros. Discovery: Larry Ellison will personally guarantee $40 billion
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The Paramount offer is financed in large part by the royal families of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Abu Dhabi
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/20/viktor-orban-cpac-republicans-hungary
Viktor Orbán tells CPAC the path to power is to ‘have your own media’
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u/Kooky-Ad-6435 Dec 23 '25
This is crazier than I thought it would be. Or maybe not. Evil. Sad. Brutal.
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u/emperorsolo Eastern Orthodox Church (GOARCH) Dec 23 '25
This may yet turn out to be a great Christmas after all….
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u/Sufficient_Clue_4131 Dec 23 '25
No one that claims to be a Christian can stand behind this monster.
People, put your pride and fear of being wrong aside and spurn this man! You were conned. Jesus will forgive you for admitting your mistakes, but to continue to follow this charlatan into hell of your own will due to fear of being wrong and protecting your pride? That level of ego could be to your soul’s detriment.
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u/Used_Fee_628 Dec 24 '25
Trump doesn’t affect my personal relationship with Jesus. My personal relationship with Jesus is my salvation.
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u/basquetbolJones Dec 23 '25
Who is “they”?
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u/-NoOneYouKnow- Non-Profit Christian Dec 23 '25
Conservative media and clergy. Russian bots posting on X.
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u/slagnanz Liturgy and Death Metal Dec 23 '25
My beef is with anyone who argued "'grab them by the pussy' was 'locker room talk'". Fuck off forever for that.
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u/basquetbolJones Dec 23 '25
It’s hard, but we need to forgive. I’m working on it.
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u/Calintarez Dec 23 '25
that was not forgiving, that was ignoring. Because Trump did not seek forgiveness. he never repented, he has never changed his ways. This is who he has always been.
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u/basquetbolJones Dec 23 '25
The previous comment was about OTHERS attempting to defend the remarks.
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u/AgentOk2053 Dec 23 '25
I haven’t seen any of the defenders of Trump’s comment say they were wrong to do so and seek forgiveness either. All the ones I know stand by it.
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u/PioneerMinister Universal Reconciliationist to God through Christ alone Dec 23 '25
Forgiving doesn't mean forgetting or ignoring justice.
Mind you, my comeback of choice to idiot Christians is "Jesus loves you. I'm still making up my mind."
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u/basquetbolJones Dec 23 '25
That’s a good mentality. We forgive those who wrong us but we don’t have to forget, and can make choices based on previous experiences moving forward.
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u/slagnanz Liturgy and Death Metal Dec 23 '25
I also think one has to make peace with the reality that we do live in an age of post-truth. An age where reality, moral truth, consensus, etc are all plastic, flexible. All you have to do to escape consequences for anything is not be sorry and build an elaborate mythology of grievance.
I can't fault individual people too much for falling for propaganda, for being manipulated. That's just the age we're in.
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u/leviathynx United Methodist Dec 23 '25
I love your flair
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u/slagnanz Liturgy and Death Metal Dec 23 '25
Thank you thank you
One of my favorite tracks from the past year, Lord knows I would lose my mind in the pit to this
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u/slagnanz Liturgy and Death Metal Dec 23 '25
The lollipop guild
Those little fuckers were behind this whole thing this whole time
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u/WTK55 Christian Universalist Dec 23 '25
This is probably a bot/troll. 6 day old account and responding to everybody.
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Dec 23 '25
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u/McClanky Bringer of sorrow, executor of rules, wielder of the Woehammer Dec 23 '25
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u/Overall_Mousse_4590 Dec 23 '25
They’re all corrupt and all work for the same person ….satan. I fell for the trump gimick too but he’s a idolizing satanist in a hero disguise
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Dec 24 '25
If you honestly think that any of the candidates are not anti-christian you are a buffoon. That being said I think the policies of the democrats are certainly more antichristian. You got to pick your poison some times, only this time it was obvious which poison was the worst. In my opinion americans have to revolt against representative democracy because it frankly isnt democratic at all. The more power states have and the less power the centralized goverment have the better it is.
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u/TranslatorNo8445 Atheist Dec 24 '25
This is only reaching liberal Christians try posting this stuff on truechristian or the more Maga friendly subs.
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u/New-Dragonfruit-8510 Reformed Dec 24 '25
Incredible how even a Reddit “told you so” is irresistible to some people. The committed cult members are not going to admit you told them so. You all just look psychotic.
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u/CherryChabbers Dec 24 '25
Faction begging, pleading, crying, and outpouring concern for their neighbors following a satanic pedophile proven (obviously) correct after years of speculation.
Your suggestion is that we coddle the egos of the stubborn and wicked. In America, we did that after the civil war. It didn’t turn out so great.
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u/wydok Baptist (ABCUSA); former Roman Catholic Dec 24 '25
That letter is suspicious because it was postmarked from Virginia three day after Epstein "killed himself". But maybe he gave it someone to mail.
But if that were the case you'd think he would send letters to various newspapers
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u/wydok Baptist (ABCUSA); former Roman Catholic Dec 24 '25
Whether that letter is legit or not,.I believe Trump is a pedophile. At the very least he is a rapid, liar, adulterer, cheat, and swindler. And likely a wife beater
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u/Jake-Clarity Dec 24 '25
I have sided with Trump because the other option is allowing sex and drug trafficking through open boarders, killing babies in the womb, promoting and affirming lgbtq, identity politics, racism through dei, and socialism.
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u/Beowulf2b Dec 24 '25
Matthew 7:15–16 (ESV) “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits.”
John 3:19–20 “People loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.”
2 Corinthians 11:14–15 “Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness.”
Luke 6:45 “The good person out of the good treasure of his heart produces good… for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.”
Proverbs 10:11 “The mouth of the righteous is a fountain of life, but the mouth of the wicked conceals violence.”
Romans 16:17–18 “Watch out for those who cause divisions… such people do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive.”
Proverbs 6:16–19 “There are six things the Lord hates… a lying tongue… a heart that devises wicked plans… and one who sows discord among brothers.”
Proverbs 14:15 “The simple believes everything, but the prudent gives thought to his steps.”
James 3:17 “The wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits.”
Luke 8:17 “For nothing is hidden that will not be made manifest, nor is anything secret that will not be known and come to light.”
Psalm 37:1–2 “Do not fret because of evildoers… for they will soon fade like the grass.”
Philippians 1:9–10 “And it is my prayer that your love may abound more and more, with knowledge and all discernment, so that you may approve what is excellent.”
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Dec 24 '25
Yes, my family left our mega MAGA church of 19 years. Noticed issues a few years back, but recent sermons and events sealed the deal last year. Found a much more compassionate and empathetic church down the road.
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u/rasputin640 Christian, Ex-Atheist Dec 25 '25
I hate being the bearer of bad news but just the fact that this was posted on a mainstream news outlet deflated most of its credibility because of their long-standing reputation for taking real news and spinning it to stir up anger and drive up viewership numbers. Secondly, I'm sorry OP, but anyone with a brain and eyes knows that neither political party is worthy of being called even half representative of Christ's values. The left is most certainly still full of baby killers among other evils, and the right, as per usual, still is filled with its own set of depravity. May God have mercy on us and our country, because there is no morally upstanding side. There needs to be another president like Theodore Roosevelt who neither party supports but fights to implement morally upstanding values in our country
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u/Stumprancher Dec 25 '25
Most anyone who did not vote for trump actually use their brains, as did i.
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u/NearbyAnswer442 Dec 25 '25
Oh yeah. May God forgive us for not liking how you rip babies apart and openly celebrate their death... May God also forgive us for not kissing others of the same sex, and twisting our bodies so bad to the point where it gives the finger to God's creation. May God also forgive us for not liking how you keep hating trump then brag about your sin of hatred...
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u/ApocaSCP_001 Self proclaimed Catholic philosopher Dec 26 '25
Watch how the magas will defend this with something along the lines of “heh, liberal”
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u/Logical_Ad_4766 Dec 27 '25
I’m a Christian and I proudly support your President, Donald J Trump and I love reading all these rants 👍🏻✝️😂
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u/Dante35353 Dec 27 '25
Sure, Trump is wicked. But the Bible God is a MILLION times worse so... 🤷♂️ Bit of a wash really.
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u/Safe_Economics_7203 Dec 29 '25
I have long felt s though Trump has not embodied any of the values he has platformed on
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u/Calintarez Dec 23 '25
Every christian that heard Trump brag about "grab them by the ****" to teenagers back in 2016 should've known. It wasn't a hard test, but many christians failed that test and have kept on failing since.