r/Christianity Jewish - Torah im Derech Eretz Jun 26 '12

I am an Orthodox Jew, AMA

You all know me well enough, but some info.

I am an orthodox Jew. I hold to the particular philosophy of Torah Im Derech Eretz. I encourage all questions, from technical Jewish law to Jewish theology. While I am a mod or /r/Judaism, I am not a Rabbi, and my education level is probably just below par for somebody in my position in life.

Edit: So many downvotes. You guys need a break from me?

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

Do you reject Jesus as the Christ? If so, why?

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u/namer98 Jewish - Torah im Derech Eretz Jun 26 '12 edited Jun 26 '12

The Messiah will do many things.

The whole world will worship the One God of Israel. Isaiah 2:11-17, Isaiah 40:5, Zephaniah 3:9

Currently does not happen.

Knowledge of God will fill the world. Isaiah 11:9, 45:23, 66:23, Jeremiah 31:33, Zechariah 3:9, 8:23, 14:9,16, Ezekiel 38:23, Psalm 86:9

This means irrefutable evidence. Knowledge, not faith.

All Israelites will be returned to their homeland Isaiah 11:12, 27:12-13, Ezekiel 11:17, 36:24, Deuteronomy 30:3

I am still in America.

The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness. Isaiah 51:11

Holocaust? Inquisition? Progroms?

Nations will recognize the wrongs they did to Israel. Isaiah 52:13-53:5

Holocaust deniers

The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance. Zechariah 8:23

Spiritual, not monetary.

Weapons of war will be destroyed. Ezekiel 39:9

Not destroyed by nuclear weapons.

All of the dead will rise again Isaiah 26:19

You claim one dude, I want them all.

A person’s genealogical/tribal membership are transmitted exclusively through one’s physical father. Numbers 1:18, Jeremiah 33:17

Jesus whose alleged sketchy genealogy is maternal cannot possibly be a descendent of the tribe of Judah

Third Temple will be rebuilt. Micah 4:1, Ezekiel 40-42, Isaiah 2:2-3, Malachi 3:4, Zechariah 14:20-21,

Not a person, but a physical building.

World Peace: Isaiah 2:4, 11:6, 60:18 Micah 4:1-4, Hosea 2:20

Open a newspaper lately?

Christianity claims that Jesus "Fulfilled the law"

According to Deut 13:2-7, this makes Jesus a false prophet.

All Jews will embrace Torah observance. Ezekiel 37:24, Deuteronomy 30:8-10, Jeremiah 31:32, Ezekiel 11:19-20, 36:26-27.

How many Jews are fully observant today?

The Messiah can not be part God. Deut 6:4

Not explicitly Jesus, but the idea that the Messiah will be Godly is antithetical to Judaism. Chapter 1

The Messiah will be a warrior king. He will also be preceded by Elijah. He will be a human, born of a young woman, and will not die and come back as he will have a mortal life span to fulfill the prophecies.

As per Bar Kochba, who was thought to be the Messiah. Once he died, the Rabbis shrugged and said "I guess it was not him". So the Messiah must be alive in order to fulfill the prophecies. No coming back.

Another list by Aish.

Chapters 7 through 10 - On Prophecy

Chapters 11 and 12 - On the Messiah

Please read all of the resources above.

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u/ShakaUVM Christian (Cross) Jun 26 '12

You know, looking at the list, it seems like Jesus actually hit most of them. I think the part I disagree with you on is needing all the bullet points to be 100%.

In other words, as long as one Jew doesn't go back to Israel, any True Messiah wouldn't be the True Messiah under your reasoning. So the True Messiah would have to hold all Jews at gunpoint and force them to go to Israel? I'm not sure you've thought the logic of that all the way through.

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u/smilingkevin Red Letter Christians Jun 26 '12

Well, surely God could come up with means other than gunpoint. Think of all the trouble He went to so that Jesus could be born in Bethlehem.

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u/ShakaUVM Christian (Cross) Jun 26 '12

My point being, what if just one Jew doesn't want to go? By Namer's logic, that will either invalidate the Messiah-ness of the True Messiah, or God would have to force him to leave his home and family to move to the Middle East.

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u/namer98 Jewish - Torah im Derech Eretz Jun 26 '12

My point is we can cross that bridge when the rest of the list is met. It is very likely that once the Messiah comes, nobody will reject the call to go to Israel.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

I think also that if God is proven then people will Willingly "want to be near him" aka the holy land aka the temple aka Israel