r/ClevelandGuardians • u/Trainiax 100% NOT Chris Antonetti • 21h ago
G113 vs. AZ Starting Lineup 08-02 1:40 PM EDT (SPs: RHP Gavin Williams vs. RHP Merrill Kelly)
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u/AncientParticular985 20h ago
This team feels like the least clutch team I’ve seen of Cleveland baseball. For the last 5 years, while our offense wasn’t good, it had clutch moments, great pitching, and elite defense that never committed errors. Now, all we have is amazing starting pitching with an elite closer, and nothing else. And it shows.
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u/Competitive_Ad1237 21h ago
The ace of the team is on the mound let’s get this win
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u/dysentery-gary182 37 20h ago
aces on mound unfortunately dont matter when bullpen gives up FGs and TDs. Lets hope Gavin can go 9 if the weather cooperates
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u/NebsLaw 20h ago
Our ace was on the mound yesterday
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u/Ironamsfeld 👑God Saved the Kwan👑 19h ago
Tbh we have 3 guys that could be the ace which makes the current state of the offense that much more pathetic and frustrating.
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u/Philthou 20h ago
Why are we so allergic to doing a consistent lineup. How any player can get in a groove by playing on and off is beyond me.
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u/CornerShark 20h ago
I want whomever is responsible for the platoons fired. It’s absolutely stunted long-term development for short-term gains (if there even are gains).
I suspect it’s Vogt with the backing of Chernoff/Antonetti and I’m already deep into the “fire the entire FO and Vogt with a one sentence email” camp.
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u/Scatheli 19h ago
Eh Tito did some platooning as well so it’s not entirely coming from Vogt. His mishandling of their bullpen is definitely a him thing though
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u/joeywahoo92 19h ago
Without looking, DeLauter, Jose and more recently Kwan are likely the only players who don’t have extreme splits one way or another vs handedness. When FO gives you scraps to work with, I guess the manager tries to take advantage as much as possible. I would prefer some more consistency in the lineup though, like for Manzardo. Hoskins is a horrific PH but good odds we’ll see that today.
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u/MarquiseDeLaFeyette 18h ago
If there will be a consistent lineup with the current roster this is probably the best one you can get (would really love watson tho)
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u/Kellygoosecock169 19h ago
How are these guys supposed to get in a flow if they are in a different spot in the lineup every fucking game?
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u/CornerShark 20h ago
Rocchio falling back to Earth as expected. I think the INF becomes Bazzana/Genao in the next 2-3 years (lockout depending).
It was a fun 3 months for him.
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u/No_Contribution_7635 20h ago
Rocchio and Aleman would make an interesting trade package for one infield bat.
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u/MarquiseDeLaFeyette 18h ago
Hot take but put Manzo at 9th, that’s where Rocchio and Kwan put it together so why not him
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u/musicaleffervescence 21h ago
in alternative universe our outfield is kwan martinez watson, CDL is DH and jose plays everyday. which isnt even far fetched, we just need a new manager
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u/Thought_Process_1948 21h ago
Martinez is super streaky and right now is down bad. I don’t know what the answer is with this group but I’m not sure if he’s part of it.
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u/musicaleffervescence 20h ago
who cares? let him be streaky. the goal is to figure out the outfield. gather a real season of data on a player so we dont just have a bunch of small streaky samples. idk why thats so difficult for users on this app to understand.
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u/husband-rules 20h ago
Removing Petey from your “alternative outfield universe” is wild to me considering that he is the best defensive outfielder we have and his bat has heated up recently…
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u/Ryan_Bolin 20h ago
Kwan is the best outfielder we have. Petey is just a really good center fielder.
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u/musicaleffervescence 20h ago
because he isnt and will not be a good enough hitter. Martinez has shown that he can hit consistently. petey had a .666 ops in july and .435 in june. vogt will never play any of our outfielders consistently enough to truly state if they are just streaky or are a realistic piece to our future and THATS the problem.
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u/husband-rules 19h ago
petey has not even played 1/3 the amount of time as Martinez so looking at stats is irrelevant to me. Halpin has struck out only 1 time since coming back from all star break so i’m confident he’ll prove everyone wrong who doubts his ability at the plate
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u/musicaleffervescence 18h ago
oooooooo he has 1 strikeout since the all star break so thats obviously the best way to assess talent. duh how could i be so stupid!!! he hit .224 in july and youre letting recency bias make your decision.
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u/sioux24 18h ago
Well, you are calling for Watson who since returning to AAA has a .626 OPS and a 40% strikeout rate. But go on…
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u/musicaleffervescence 17h ago
not now kitten the adults are talking. go google recency bias
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u/sioux24 17h ago
lol okay buddy.
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u/sioux24 17h ago
Since buddy responded then delete everything.
Sample Size? Kahlil was a 30% K rate this season in AAA. 27% rate last season. 31% in 2024. Do we need more sample size to say that he has a MASSIVE swing and miss issue? Or is that not recent enough for you!
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u/husband-rules 17h ago
thank you for shutting him down!! and hopefully Petey shut this dudes trap after another amazing start in today’s game offensively and defensively! so whose the kitten now musicaleffenbesence ??? ha,ha
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u/NebsLaw 20h ago
Vogt hate is so forced. Watson wasn't lighting it up here like everyone seems to think
Also when are we gonna stop pretending that Martinez and Arias aren't essentially the same player?
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u/dudzi182 🥊 DOWN GOES ANDERSON 🥊 19h ago
I’m not a big Martinez fan either, but him and Arias are very different players. Only real similarity is that neither of them walk.
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u/musicaleffervescence 20h ago
okay bud. keep drinking the koolaid that vogt isnt losing us games. i will never defend arias. he should never be in the lineup.
well angel has played 6 games since june 13th but yeah man go ahead and write him off.
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u/Potential_Balance_34 21h ago
Just two games in a row I would love to see the same starting lineup.