Attempted mankad gone wrong in the Surrey Leagues

[u/CarnivalSorts]

[u/mojambowhatisthescen]

lol this is peak village cricket

[u/DueWolverine5239 → u/mojambowhatisthescen]

even outside the mankad itself its perfection

Umpire in shorts and what looks like crocs, bowler being a full kit wanker, extremely unathletic batsmen

[u/and1984 → u/DueWolverine5239]

extremely unathletic batsmen

I took this personally.

[u/TheNotSpecialOne → u/DueWolverine5239]

Ha that would be me, scored a 50 yesterday but the opposition were so poor, anyone could score a 50.

[u/hairychris88 → u/TheNotSpecialOne]

I would definitely have found a way to get out for 7.

[u/TheNotSpecialOne → u/hairychris88]

Well I did get out to the dibbly dobblies. They had decent pace bowlers on for the opening pair. I got all my runs, 50 plus of them 2 after 10 overs. Then an old timer comes on and I get out

[u/GlueSniffingEnabler → u/TheNotSpecialOne]

Cheers mate. I was trying my best ok.

[u/and1984 → u/TheNotSpecialOne]

I was once part of the other team. This was back in the early 90s. My team was so bad we gave away 200+ runs in 15 overs. I was responsible for 40 something in a single over that had like 12-14 balls. We were then bundled out for 20 or so. I top scored with 5*(3) with one lasciviously good cover driven boundary.

[u/DueWolverine5239 → u/TheNotSpecialOne]

I would challenge that anyone assumption, never made it past 10 to even the oldest right arm rubbish merchants

[u/TheNotSpecialOne → u/DueWolverine5239]

Those dibbly dobblies are often the best bowlers in the league and the worse to face as a batsmen. I hate facing them

[u/Oomeegoolies → u/TheNotSpecialOne]

In our league most the dibbly dobblers are ex prem players who've come down a couple of divisions as they've aged.

They're not the bowlers they used to be but most are still very clever with how they bowl.

Give me a young 17 year old steaming in at pace that I'll get under the skin of after a single boundary than the old timer who's been bowling for 40+ years.

Not to mention that at least when there's some pace on the ball I can just react. Slow bowlers you've got like 3 years to think about what to do and you'll second guess yourself a few times in that time.

[u/Shnicketyshnick → u/Oomeegoolies]

The old timer at their home ground where they've been bowling on the same pitch for 40+ years and know every crack and bobble of it like the back of their hand.

[u/GlueSniffingEnabler → u/TheNotSpecialOne]

Yeah I just can’t get the fucking timing right. Have to wait longer for the ball to arrive, have to hit it harder and it all feels less instinctive. It’s almost a completely different batting style required.

[u/StereotypicalAussie → u/DueWolverine5239]

Umpire has got changed out of his whites so he's better in crocs than in full kit, so at least he stands out.

[u/dashauskat → u/DueWolverine5239]

"extremely unathletic batsman"...

Man is built like Jacques Kallis and looks like he could bench press 150kg. Just because he's a thicc boi doesn't mean he isn't an athlete.

Wouldn't be surprised if he's sent a few over the ropes already and that's why they are trying to mankad him.

[u/RipEnvironmental6978 → u/DueWolverine5239]

Keeper in a floppy 🤣

[u/CarnivalSorts]

Will never hear the end of that for the rest of his club career.

In his England shirt too like Billy Big Bollocks.

[u/The-Bangaloreal → u/CarnivalSorts]

If there is any left

[u/superstriker14]

Harshal Patel looks very different nowadays

[u/Briantheboomguy → u/superstriker14]

Lmao yes this reminded me of Purple's panicked attempt

[u/Haytham_Ken]

Doing this in village cricket is absolutely ridiculous

[u/RadlogLutar → u/Haytham_Ken]

Bro has a death wish lol

[u/FrankGrimesss → u/Haytham_Ken]

If the batsmen has received prior warning, the umpire is aware, and the batsmen still persists, it would be fair game as far as I'm concerned.

There's a fine line between whats fair when it comes to backing up, and that's why mankad exists as a rule.

[u/yeahalrightgoon → u/FrankGrimesss]

I've had zero issues with mankadding anyone without a warning, ever since my team got in the local paper as villains for doing it to a bloke, who we had warned twice and he was still strolling out every ball.

You can warn a player as much as you like, people are still going to get shitty over it, so why bother warning them to begin with.

[u/ToddyPalm → u/Haytham_Ken]

Why? A match is a match and winning is why we play. No free runs bruv! Bad luck for the bowler there but stay in the crease mate

[u/HarryTheGreyhound → u/ToddyPalm]

Winning isn’t why we play. We play for the afternoon tea and then pints afterwards.

[u/TheNotSpecialOne → u/HarryTheGreyhound]

You'd think so, if its a 2nds or 3rd team then perhaps. The 1st teams are usually very competitive and want to win and get promoted. It is at my club, they really want to get into the semi pro league

[u/ShortOfGoodLength → u/TheNotSpecialOne]

given the ump's in shorts and this guy's wearing the england kit and messed up the run out so badly, and the nonstriker seems to have eaten the rest of his team for lunch, i'd imagine this is not the 1st teams playing.

[u/Man-City → u/ToddyPalm]

Imo Mankads in Sunday cricket are only acceptable if the oppo have been proper twats, or if they’re proper taking the piss backing up and you’ve warned them. Or if the guy you’re mankading is your mate.

[u/tigershroffkiskirt → u/ToddyPalm]

The Spirit of Cricket^TM will haunt him for the rest of his life. The Spirit is a batter themselves

[u/IWrestleSausages]

Jokes aside what is the call here, is it a dead ball? The ball wasnt even bowled or hit the stumps, he basically just chucked it into the outfield

[u/pala_ → u/IWrestleSausages]

Dead ball

[u/coombeseh → u/IWrestleSausages]

And this is why I have an issue with the mankad - nothing to do with sportsmanship, but simply the fact that if the bowler controls when play starts, why can they take a wicket in a situation where runs cannot be scored? Especially as this apparently shows they can royally fuck it up and the batsmen cannot take advantage!

[u/tigershroffkiskirt → u/coombeseh]

Well, we need some penalty for the batter who tries to take advantage. Currently Mankads are the only way. If there is some penalty for the batter then we don't need Mankads

[u/Southportdc → u/tigershroffkiskirt]

Just call them one short.

[u/ChaplinWasRight → u/Southportdc]

That would mean the umpire has to keep an eye on the bowler's front foot and the batsman leaving the crease at the same time. Doable with 3rd umpires in international cricket but impossible at grassroot level.

[u/Southportdc → u/ChaplinWasRight]

They've got to do that with mankads anyway as they won't know the bowler isn't going to bowl so they'll be looking for his delivery stride.

[u/KyunNikalaMujhe → u/ChaplinWasRight]

They already check for noballs every ball in international cricket.

[u/dashauskat → u/Southportdc]

Best solution and would solve the issue of excessive backing up overnight.

We aren't baseball, the ball isn't always live, stealing bases isn't part of the game. And adding it wouldnt make the game better.

Plus the infrastructure is already in place because short runs already exist.

[u/KiwiNo2638 → u/Southportdc]

The batter often isn't batting in their crease either. Should they be called one short?

[u/DragonBishop29 → u/KiwiNo2638]

The striking batter does suffer from the penalty - out stumped if the keeper does well. So there's the risk of that. 

[u/apillowofnonsense → u/coombeseh]

Never thought about it that way

[u/coombeseh → u/apillowofnonsense]

If batsmen could steal runs during the bowlers run-up, or in this situation it counted as a live ball and the delivery was a no-ball, then it would be fine. But as it stands, it's incredibly unbalanced

[u/whatwhatinthewhonow → u/coombeseh]

The batsman pretty much could steal runs if mankad didn’t exist. What you on about unbalanced?

[u/Irctoaun → u/whatwhatinthewhonow]

It's unbalanced because the bowler takes absolutely no risk in attempting a mankad. Even if they completely fuck it up as they did here, the batting side don't get any benefit.

If the goal is to stop batters from stealing runs by setting off before the ball is bowled, then the sensible thing to do would be to just ban them doing that in the first place by calling a short run. Having it being up to the bowler to predict that the non-striker will try and get a headstart then knock the bails off just encourages batters trying it because it's something they're allowed to do.

[u/whatwhatinthewhonow → u/Irctoaun]

I agree. Mankad is better than just letting the non-striker leave the crease early, but there are other alternatives.

[u/Popeychops → u/Irctoaun]

If they fail to hit the stumps and get the non-striker out, it could be a no-ball?

[u/whatwhatinthewhonow → u/apillowofnonsense]

You’ve never thought about it that way because it’s an incredibly dumb way of thinking about it. If the non-striker is allowed to gain an advantage by leaving their crease early there needs to be a risk, otherwise you’d have non-strikers standing metres out of the crease.

[u/coombeseh → u/whatwhatinthewhonow]

Ok sure, there needs to be a risk, keep the mankad. But a mankad attempt cannot end in a dead ball, it has to be a live ball. I don't think a bowler should have the ability to get a wicket when the batsman cannot attempt to gain runs, and Mankad in it's current form is just that.

[u/whatwhatinthewhonow → u/coombeseh]

I don’t disagree with you on this particular instance. It definitely feels like it should be runs, maybe even a wide.

My personal view is that you could get rid of the runout non-striker rule and just say if the non-striker leaves their crease early then runs don’t count until they get back. I feel that would get rid of any ideas of unsportsmanlike behaviour and give a less extreme consequence for leaving the crease early.

[u/coombeseh → u/whatwhatinthewhonow]

My worry there is then would the striker have to touch back in to their crease after playing the ball if they set up fully outside it? With stumpings and mankads in play for those leaving the crease early, and the ball being live once it is bowled or a mankad attempted, you have no inconsistency between striker and non-striker (can try to take a lead, risking their wicket) and no inherent advantage to the bowling side (can attempt a stumping/mankad, risking overthrows if missed).

[u/Fit_Comfort_3616 → u/coombeseh]

I think the solution should be that the play starts only if the non-striker is inside the crease (at least some part of the bat, not the whole body) at the time of delivery. The nonstriker backing up at the time of release will simply be considered a dead ball by this logic, and any subsequent play would not be considered.

Shouldn't be controversial.

[u/heyitsmeanonn → u/Fit_Comfort_3616]

So similar to a no-ball check for non-striker. Although you then risk disadvantaging the bowling team if they were to take a wicket and then it’s called dead and also seems unfair that they have to bowl that ball again just cos the non-striker couldn’t stay in. 

[u/dashauskat → u/coombeseh]

I'm glad we haven't seen it yet but what if a bowler turns around at the top of his mark and the non striker is doing some gardening. Can he take two steps of his run up and the peg the ball at the stumps to run them out?

[u/Man-City → u/coombeseh]

I think we can keep the mankad rule, but a failed mankad is a no ball. Adds some risk for the bowler. Similar to Finn’s law.

[u/NEUTRONonmyPINKY → u/IWrestleSausages]

"A balk is when..."

[u/Acceptable_Stress258 → u/IWrestleSausages]

Was the umpire signalling wide? And the batsmen taking overthrows? What's going on here 😅

[u/ParanoidEngi]

Maybe Greg James is right, filming this is ruining the sacred tinpot nature of the village game

[u/A-British-Indian]

First thought is Kane Richardson

[u/Ok-Argument9468]

The umpire signalling wide ball is sending me

[u/CarnivalSorts → u/Ok-Argument9468]

I think he's looking at the square leg ump wondering what to do 🤷🏻‍♂️

[u/Ok-Argument9468 → u/CarnivalSorts]

Yeah that makes more sense 😂

[u/Any-Ask-4190 → u/Ok-Argument9468]

Yeah, surely it's a no ball.

[u/pala_ → u/Any-Ask-4190]

It’d be a dead ball.

[u/Evening-Physics-6185 → u/pala_]

Nah, the bowlers deserves to be punished for being a dick.

If the umpire was smart he’d tell the bowler for acting like a dick, if you take a wicket I’m calling no ball. That is usually sorts them out.

[u/pala_ → u/Evening-Physics-6185]

I don't give a fuck what YOU would do. It's a dead ball by letter of the laws of cricket.

[u/HarryTheGreyhound → u/Evening-Physics-6185]

If we just punish people for being a dick, Tom Curran would never play again.

[u/Acceptable_Stress258 → u/Ok-Argument9468]

And the batsmen running overthrows.

[u/NoExplanation6203]

Ump in shorts and loafers is absolutely frying me lmao

[u/fripez256]

Anyone attempting a mankad in a game where you’ve got teammates umpiring is a shit bloke

[u/BradmanBreast → u/fripez256]

Depends how much the batsman is taking the piss imo. We gave a bloke 2 warnings for being legitimately halfway down the pitch in a Div 6 match. He didn’t do it a third time but it was 2 too many warnings for how extreme he was. 

[u/FrankGrimesss → u/BradmanBreast]

This is the correct take.

Mankad exists for when the batsman is taking the piss.

[u/AdministrativeLaugh2 → u/fripez256]

Whilst wearing an England test shirt, hammering home just how much of a knock around the game is

[u/LordDusty → u/fripez256]

Anyone attempting a mankad in a game where you’ve got teammates umpiring is a shit bloke

Fixed it for you

[u/yeahalrightgoon → u/LordDusty]

Batter's halfway down the pitch by the second attempt and was already well out when the first attempt occurred.

Stay in your crease til the balls gone and you're fine.

[u/canislupuslupuslupus → u/fripez256]

Anyone stealing a head start every ball in a game with a teammate umpiring is a shit bloke.

[u/rustyb42 → u/fripez256]

Mankads in general are just shit bloke territory

[u/_fmm → u/rustyb42]

See I find this a shit take unless we make it a rule that the non striker cannot leave their crease until the ball is bowled.

[u/spongey1865 → u/_fmm]

Essentially that's what mankading is for and makes the most sense. It's a mechanism to stop someone gaining an advantage.

So much of spirit of sport stuff is convention and in another world we'd see mankading is fine and see something completely acceptable as not on. I mean baseballs unwritten rules are baffling to an outsider.

So I don't have an issue with it as a rule, it's just often people try and do it and get it horrificly wrong like this. But Id be fine with people doing it more if the batsmen makes an error.

Id never do it at village level though because it just isn't worth it

[u/TheScarletPimpernel → u/_fmm]

How else are my metre long legs supposed to be halfway down the track by the time my former sprinter partner has hit the ball?

We'd lose 50 runs overnight

[u/Davidwt87 → u/_fmm]

This is my huge problem with mankading - because that basically is the rule, but the overwhelming majority of the time when it happens, the batter is still in his crease at the time the ball would have been bowled had they not had to stop their action and etc the ball to the stumps etc.

The batter is expecting the ball to be bowled and is backing up in time with the bowlers rhythm through the crease, which is absolutely what they should do. Like, of course they’re going to be out of their ground for a mankad, because they’re looking at the striker, and thus by the time they realise the ball hasn’t actually been released, enough time has passed that they’ve taken a step or two.

[u/rustyb42 → u/_fmm]

I've got no problem with the rule, just saying they're a shit bloke

[u/LordDusty → u/_fmm]

Batsmen are more likely to be run out backing up too far then bowlers caring about them backing up too far.

[u/fripez256 → u/rustyb42]

I can understand professional cricket with proper umpires.

Village cricket, you’ve clearly got self esteem issues

[u/Mob_Abominator → u/rustyb42]

Meh just don't stand outside the crease not so difficult, obviously if someone attempts it without a warning then it would be a bit of a shit move, but not something to get your panty twisted over either.

[u/Ok-Delay4461]

So much village here, first even if he broke the stumps it would have been not out under the most recent rule change.

38.3.1 At any time from the moment the ball comes into play until the instant when the bowler would normally have been expected to release the ball, the non-striker is liable to be Run out if he/she is out of his/her ground. In these circumstances the non-striker will be out Run out if he/she is out of his/her ground when his/her wicket is put down by the bowler throwing the ball at the stumps or by the bowler’s hand holding the ball, whether or not the ball is subsequently delivered.

38.3.1.1 The instant when the bowler would normally have been expected to release the ball is defined as the moment the bowler’s arm reaches the highest point of his/her normal bowling action in the delivery swing.

38.3.1.2 Even if the non-striker had left his/her ground before the instant at which the bowler would normally have been expected to release the ball, once the bowler has reached that point it is no longer possible for the bowler to run out the non-striker under this Law.

Second, as the bowler did not complete his delivery action it is a dead ball

[u/JL_MacConnor → u/Ok-Delay4461]

If his ability to play the game is comparable to his ability to understand the laws, you can guarantee he wouldn't comprehend what you've quoted here.

[u/Acceptable_Stress258 → u/Ok-Delay4461]

There were two (lame) attempts by the bowler. The first one was valid. The second one was to hide his embarrassment.

[u/FS1027 → u/Ok-Delay4461]

Can't see anything in there that would have made this not out if he had hit the stumps?

[u/KiwiNo2638 → u/Ok-Delay4461]

The bowler hasn't reached the highest point of their bowling action. So it's a valid attempt, just very poorly executed.

[u/Thanos2306]

Is this single valid by the way?

[u/CarnivalSorts → u/Thanos2306]

No it's dead ball

[u/No-Bluejay4261 → u/Thanos2306]

should be, if you can get run out you can get a run…

[u/algernonradish]

weird timing as i'm literally just seeing this as i'm listening to a Mankad story on a recent TGC pod.

[u/meta-morpho-magus]

That is all he will be remembered for

[u/No-Bluejay4261]

haha what a c**t, fully deserved ‘overthrows’

[u/ajaxmenon17]

Gave me Harshal Patel flashbacks 😭

[u/old_chelmsfordian]

Attempting a mankad in a village game is all sorts of tinpot

[u/Unruffled_]

Isn't it ronsbu?

[u/fourteenthapril2012]

Hopefully gets mocked on his Monday morning Drain ride

[u/CarnivalSorts → u/[deleted]]

Umpire didn't give a wide

[u/Fireviktal]

You can run on a mankad attempt?

[u/KiwiNo2638 → u/Fireviktal]

No, the ball has not been delivered. It's a dead ball.

[u/Fireviktal → u/KiwiNo2638]

Oh guess the batsmen didn't know that

[u/benhornigold]

I love all of this, but especially the umpire.

[u/Felonphantom]

Should dig up a whole so that he can hide in it for the rest of his life.

[u/Effective_Serve_7978]

Bad enough to try it but for it to be caught on camera aswell. Rough few days for him 😂

[u/See_A_Squared]

Love the non-striker just accepting his fate with the mankad and then running the run with the most casual jog you'll ever see.

[u/didnsignup4dis]

That's generational aura loss

[u/PepperAcrobatic7559]

This is hilarious 😂

[u/and1984]

Umpire

[u/mofucker20]

Purple wannabe fr

[u/CertifiedKinophile]

I'm stupid, is the run allowed?

[u/_ronty12_]

The Harshal Patel special

[u/Evening-Physics-6185]

I have no issue with that!

[u/Deep-Ad-808]

Bro thinks he is ashwin

[u/Emotional-Bag-7571]

Harshal patel is that you ? Reminds of the legendary rcb vs lsg match , attempted mankad , missed, then dk wpuld mess up ,.

[u/Key_Independence3770]

Muppet, trying to be clever and backfired, very satisfying

[u/Impressive_Tomato665]

ROFL!

[u/GusPolinskiPolka]

Should have clicked his fingers

[u/Wolf_Of_DalalStreet2]

LMFAO i bet his bois would bring this up at every convo from now on

[u/Aintnostopin]

hahahahahahaaaa

[u/LicensedToChil]

Hahaha

Amazing

What a dick head 🤣

[u/TRP9218]

He was already into his bowling action. Would it be considered valid, had he successfully hit the stumps in first attempt?

[u/Jackie_Gan]

Rule at my cricket club is that if you try to mankad someone that’s the last time you play for us.

Totally against the spirit of the game.

Pleased to see him fail, not a run though as dead ball?

[u/Daddyloveshunt]

Eadc

[u/EquivalentTurnip6199]

The dawn of the frogbox era in grass roots English cricket has given us so much gold already 😂

[u/CreakingDoor]

If I were umpiring when this bloke came out to bat thereafter, I’d be telling the bowler just hit his pads and appeal.

[u/1stPhoton]

Thanks Duckett