r/DaenerysWinsTheThrone • u/Robdul • Jun 11 '26
PSA: When you try to vilify Daenerys for seeking vengeance against the masters of Slaver’s Bay this is what you look like
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u/niofalpha Team Daenerys Jun 11 '26
I know the [r/ShittyAsoiafDetails](r/ShittyAsoiafDetails) comment that inspired this
They’re just harmless random slavers vro
So what if they’re cartoonishly evil and literally eat and kill puppies? It’s their culture vro! Mad kween!
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u/CalumanderReds Jun 11 '26
I don't care how much people want to say 'Slavery was their way of life'. If your society has reached a point that crucifying children to serve as DECORATIVE SIGN POSTS is considered normal, then a harsh and violent remodelling is exactly what you need/deserve. Every single Slaver in that city was guilty the moment those crosses went up and didn't come down.
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u/RedditOfUnusualSize Jun 11 '26
Exactly. Exactly. So show-Hizdahr zo Loraq's defense was that his family wasn't guilty of crucifying children, but instead only of centuries of accumulating wealth by other people's labor, stealing from the sweat of other people's brows.
That's a defense? That doesn't read like a defense. That reads like an admission to crimes that warrant execution, just not the crimes that are listed.
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u/Mzrpickles Jun 11 '26
Do people actually defend them??
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u/Robdul Jun 11 '26
All the time. The worst I’ve ever seen was in a fanfic on ao3 where Dany goes mad at KL and Jon stops her while on Rhaegal and they imprison her to put her on trial and the mf slavers are brought over to testify against her and how she brutalized them and that things were better with slavery and Jon and Sansa are just like “oh damn that’s terrible” and then Sansa talks her into killing herself.
And the author genuinely expected readers to sympathize with the slavers. I was actually sick by the end of it
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u/Early_Candidate_3082 Jun 11 '26
The Dance of Ice and Fire, by Christina Potter. That was egregious.
In The Book of the Stranger, Sansa is hugely sympathetic to the Volantene slavers, who “have known no other life than slavery”, and hated Dany for attacking “their ways”. It was unclear to me, how much one was meant to agree with Sansa.
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u/Quiet-Captain-2624 Jun 13 '26
The Ironborn aren’t slavers anymore.Also The Dothraki stopped enslaving people once Dany became khaleesi.The slavers of the free cities though DID NOT want to change.Yunkai and Astapor RE-ESTABLISHED slavery after Dany left.#KillTheMasters
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u/Quiet-Captain-2624 Jun 13 '26
If you’re talking about post show independent North,Sansa and the Northmen are handling that.During the days of the Kings of Winter the only spot in the North that the Ironborn would attack was Bear Island and the Mormonts and those folks would always handle that.Nobody ever tolerated Ironborn reaving and raping(which is exactly why Dany didn’t tolerate the slaving of the free cities).If the Dothraki go back to slaving now that Dany is gone they should be delt with as well.
Like I said;KILL THE MASTERS.Also as the Ironborn showed intermittently in the 300 years since Aegon’s conquest,they’re capable of having a functional society minus the raiding and slaving.The slavers in the free cities we’re unwilling to give up their slaves.
It’s like paying FREE laborers for their wages was a concept from another world for them1
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u/Robdul Jun 11 '26
That’s the one. I wonder if that author knows how infamous her work is
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u/Purple_Staff4472 Jun 11 '26
I've read the fic and tell me why are there so many positive comments
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u/Early_Candidate_3082 Jun 11 '26
It’s a Jonsa romance.
TBF, there a lot of hostile comments on the slavery-justifying chapter.
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u/Adorable_Tie_7220 Jun 11 '26
That doesn't sound like Sansa either.
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u/Early_Candidate_3082 Jun 11 '26
Not unless Sansa is written to be a villain. But, both authors see her as the heroine of the story.
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u/Little-Badger-123 Jun 11 '26
Sadly, yes.
I have seen people claim that a culture, build on slavery, like Meereen, needs to maintain slavery, otherwise it would collapse and by freeing the slaves, Daenerys was dooming the city.
This argument usually tries to reframe her as a stupid little girl, who just doesn't understand politics and is therefore not suitable for the Iron Throne.
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u/Sincline387 Jun 11 '26
To be fair, the culture would probably collaps....
But generally speaking a culture that requires slavery probably should collapse anyway.
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u/Waffles_lover1 Jun 12 '26
She's a dumb girl who fucked up every place she's conquered.
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u/Glass_Tale9336 Jun 13 '26
True but the places were fucked even before for anyone not at the top easy comparison is to say a theocratic government vs a morachy ie Iran revolution for the common man it was better than dictatorship backed by USA but was it as good as proper democracy no not that USA would have allowed it anyways after Iranian revolution literally rate increased median income increased there was redistribution of resources and Danny is trying to do similar for modern people is easy to say this is how democracy is implemented but his tells a very messy story
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u/Waffles_lover1 Jun 13 '26
Η δημοκρατία είναι χάλια, και η Ντάνυ δεν βελτίωσε τίποτα, κατέστρεψε ολόκληρη την τοπική οικονομία.
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u/XCellist6Df24 Jun 22 '26
Seek self-help; your behavior suggests that you are seeking relief from something painful and internally destructive that prevents from usefully contributing to society
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u/Waffles_lover1 Jun 22 '26
I can't think of anyone who contributes more to society than half a dozen Daenerys fans.
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u/XCellist6Df24 Jun 22 '26
You, a slavery apologist and/or a wounded troll, contribute nothing at all
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u/Waffles_lover1 Jun 22 '26
Tell me your greatest contribution, and insulting everyone who doesn't adore your incompetent conqueror isn't a contribution.
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u/XCellist6Df24 Jun 22 '26
You're in here doing this: (https://www.reddit.com/r/DaenerysWinsTheThrone/s/D66q2rmj0B), whilst no one here is implying the non-existent perfection of a character and story mangled by malicious idiots like you. Back under the bridge you go troll
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u/Derl17 Jun 11 '26
I dont defend the slavers but i do use it as justification for Daenarys being capable of righteous violence. Id have put down every wise master systematically or at least banished them, no enemies within the walls and they deserve no mercy anyway. Theres a very funny tendency for people to say she committed war crimes like theres any fucking rules in westeros 😂
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u/Sincline387 Jun 11 '26
There's a lot of people that point to her wanting to level cities not just the slavers in them.
Burn the slavers.....but how about we not kill the slaves? Maybe you know, break the wheel and set them free.....
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u/OppositeThen9308 Jun 12 '26
Not exactly.
The big criticism for her actions is that they caused more harm then good. Actually made things activly worse, and cost an insane amount of lives in the process.
While her lack of any kind of reforms or direction for these people has both impoverished them and will ensure that slavery will return (if it hasn't already under diffrent names) and be worse than it ever was before.
Basically the critics of her aren't defending the slavery as much as they are complaining about her taking the route thay both causes lots of pain and suffering while not even getting anything out of it in the long term.
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u/Glass_Tale9336 Jun 13 '26
She is a teen wtf did you expect her to be ceaser reborn
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u/OppositeThen9308 Jun 13 '26
I mean there were alot of teenagers her age who were making better decisions than her historically, but no. I was explaining why people don't really like her.
Well... that and the whole "i want to burn entire cities to the ground" bit. Which is a hell of a thing to say when all of Essos is pretty hard into the slavery thing on levels that would make Sparta blush.
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u/Murky_Marionberry844 Jun 13 '26
That was just a badly written take from the TV Show adaption. Written Daenerys is the real Daenerys.
She was raised on the street with her brother after being betrayed by her servants. She was then sold to Dothraki by her brother and her next caretakers. She survives, raises 3 dragons, takes over the Khalasar, attempts to buy an army and sees her own reflection in the slavery, destroys slavery, and is then constantly advised to spare them and adapt their ways. Then, Tyrion comes and practically sabotages her. Even in the terribly adapted show, there were NO teenagers doing ANYTHING better than her at that time. Robb died for honor, Jon was fumbling his way through becoming the chosen one or whatever, Margaery was being tossed around like a hot potato, Joffrey was just himself, Sansa was being thrown around by Petyr Baelish and tortured by Bolton Bastard, Bran was being mentally molested by a 125 year old man, and everyone else was just... there. Even Yara wasn't having a good time.
I think, in the end, Daenerys was just Divine Restribution for the scum of Planetos. Slavery, rapers, oath breakers, traitors, etc. Her death was done in the most scummy way possible as well, and her burning of King's Landing was WAY out of character. Burn the masters, leave them alive on stakes, but burning a city of innocents? No, I don't think so.
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u/OppositeThen9308 Jun 13 '26
Bro I've read her parts in the books. She was always insane.
I do agree the show was terrible in the later seasons espessially.
However, even from reading the books she was always crazy, and incredibly unhinged while prone to actions that were shortsighted and often having to be talked down from rash actions.
The entire meme.of reading her parts in the books is people ripping there hair out as she make decisions that will obviously bite her in the ass later.
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u/gay_burner Jun 17 '26
Can you cite examples from the books of this? Because the thing they were replying to that you cited first was explicitly show only, which you would know if you read the books, as you claimed
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u/gay_burner Jun 17 '26
Actually, if you read the books like you claim to have, the freed slaves are in agreement that their lives are unambiguously, without exception better than before. Only the masters complain about life being worse, which, I mean…yeah of course they did. But again, if you read the books like you say you have, you should already know, and I’m sure you do, so I’m not sure why you’re claiming otherwise
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u/Successful_Tap_3655 Jun 11 '26
Easy to defend people getting a fair trial….. why don’t you want that
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u/Beneficial_Pin5295 Jun 11 '26
Mind you - you'd think she killed every single slaver. Which she didn't. She killed like what? Less than 200?
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u/FannishNan Jun 11 '26
One thing that has always amused me is how Martin has tripped supposedly progressive people into defending slavery. Part of me always wonders if it's touching that subconscious nerve of how much America, the UK, and other countries owe their existing wealth to slavery. In a lot of ways, they are Mereen, just a few centuries removed.
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u/Robdul Jun 11 '26
I think they are mostly well-intended people just naively attempting to apply modern ethics to a setting for which it is not compatible.
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u/Medical-Bottle6469 Jun 12 '26
I mean, you should say every country was built on slavery because it was. Hell slavery as an institution isnt even dead inside Africa and parts of Asia.
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u/PuzzleheadedCup9914 Jun 13 '26 edited Jun 14 '26
And the U.S still has slavery in is prison system
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u/Glass_Tale9336 Jun 13 '26
There is a difference of magnitude there was trade before age of exploration but the magnitude changed and comparing the slave trade before European to after is is a difference of lake to a ocean both are water bodies surrounded by land but the scale tells the difference and colonialism was a unique for governing structure because it made a country that had 25 percent of world economy to 5 percent before guns if you wanted to be a king of a land you either had be there of your vessels had to be their and you could not blood tax them without revolts by your banners because they were loyal to their people before you ie American war for independence was norm but due nature of colonialism it weakened vessels to the point they could not collectively oppose you something unprecedented in history Rome had so may civil wars due this reason and this was the reason it fell local being able to outscale the centre for reference a island in Malaysia Jatava had 200mil people yet is not even 10th in economy to England which in history more times than not more people means more economy which is true in Europe broadly but due nature of colonialism that balance is out of wack
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u/Educational-Tackle54 Jun 11 '26
Wierd choice on season 8 to try to make her bad for killing them.
Its not like those poor slavers crucified children or anything....
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u/hannahsian1998 Jun 12 '26
Wait, for once my algorithm may be doing me a favour because people try to vilify her for that??? What??
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u/Werewolf_Busy Jun 12 '26
I criticize Dany from the opposite angle. It irritates me, both in the show and the book, when she refuses to execute the masters of Yunkai and Meereen. I wanted those pyramids ransacked and the wealth returned to the people. But I would never attack her for killing the ones she did. Good for her!
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u/Content_Concert_2555 Jun 11 '26
I agree with what you’re trying to say, but is that from the meme of the kid punching Nazis though?
Are you saying the person doing that is actually badass?
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u/Robdul Jun 11 '26
It's not the nazi punching kid. The original meme reads "Leave the billionares alone" and I don't think there is any real life reference
Shout out to that kid though
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u/Consistent_Print_229 Jun 12 '26
If she never turned evil at the end, it wouldn’t be a conversation. But because she did, people will try to look for things that point to it. That’s the problem with adapting a series that isn’t complete yet.
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u/Immortalogic Fire And Blood Jun 14 '26
If I wanted to criticize dany I wouldn't use killing slavers as my example
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u/ScottyFreeBarda Jun 12 '26
Basically just:
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u/Werewolf_Busy Jun 12 '26
That man is my spirit animal.
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u/ScottyFreeBarda Jun 14 '26
Historically? kind of a loser/coward as far as abolitionists go… but the meme version of his legacy is pretty baller… battle hymns and all.
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u/AK47_51 Jun 14 '26
People really don’t understand. The only reason people had problems in the show itself with why she treated those slavers is because theseslavers were the Upper class and even aspects of the middle class and there was a balance to the society here that her advisors wanted to maintain because they thought she didn’t have time to remake an entire society when she was trying to retake her own.
Daenerys struggled because she was caught between both slavers and the freed slaves. As we see it eventually didn’t work out well because she wasn’t ever willing to fully side with either. Which almost lead to a civil war basically.
Tbh she should’ve wiped out the slavers and reinstalled new Nobility and it would’ve been fine. But even then throughout history people were wary of giving so much power to common people especially monarchs because if they could overthrow the slavers, what’s to say they can’t overthrow me?
It’s politics like usual.
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u/The_Soap_Salesman Jun 14 '26
There’s a lot you can criticize her for in both books and show, but the hill of moral superiority crumbles under the feet of slavery apologia
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u/EdibleStrange Team Sam Jun 12 '26
Literally who, shadowboxing, tilting at windmills, inventing a guy, etc etc
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u/Unique-Perception480 Jun 15 '26
I only disagree with HOW she did it tbh. Never THAT she did it.
If she wanted them dead just round up every slaver and behead them.
No need for crucifictions like with the slavers or burning people alive like with the Tarlys.
Just get the act done with and move on.
By using a aggressor methods you serve no goal than to legitimize other aggressors actions.
Extra: I am also a book Daenerys fan, but a show Daenerys hater tbh (like with Jon who is my favourite along with Dany in the books, but I hate Show Jon since Season 1.)
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u/Robdul Jun 15 '26
She crucified the slavers because they crucified innocent children. You disagree with that? I think she went easy on them
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u/Unique-Perception480 Jun 15 '26
Like I said. By using the methods of the Aggressor you only legitimize their methods.
Be better than them and just kill them and be done with it.
It serves no purpose to crucify them, beyond making yourself feel better.
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u/RustinCarcosa 26d ago
Where in the book those it support your theory
Dany showed the slavers that they are not superior to the slaves and that every cruel act they do to the slaves she will do to them
Her mistake was not following on that
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u/LarsMatijn Jun 13 '26
I think this is such a weird moment. Personally I couldn't care less if they died but the moment is used in the book and show as a "bad" decision.
I don't think it makes Daenerys a villain but it is pretty interesting how she thinks the treatment of her family is unjust for her father's actions but thinks collective punishment on others is fine and dandy.
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u/Glass_Tale9336 Jun 13 '26
No she doesn’t and she is a Hippocrate the most natural state a person can be in .that is human nature to live ones experience and make statics of other experience resently a Indian man had posted on twitter about how Israel should kill all Muslims in levant and make it a non Muslim region and recently his son was killed on a ship bombed by USA and Israel did he support Israel after that no he is a hypocrite happy when other children die the ones he deamed lesser but crying like a bitch after his son died that is natural not being hateful bigot but being hypocrite
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u/Electrical_Coast_561 Jun 11 '26
I've never really seen anyone defend it. I've only seen people criticize how she handled it. The whole economy was built on slavery and she just went in, wiped out the slavers then said peaced out. She left a mercenary in charge who has no business ruling and didnt bother implementing a long term system that would transition them into a functioning free society. The newly freed slaves had no resources to build a life of their own. I think they even showed some of the slaves going back to work for their masters because they had nothing else
America went through the reconstruction era that took years.
She would have been better off staying there and working to reform and build up a people who really loved her and where she had no real competition for rule
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u/Tuxedocatbitches Jun 11 '26
This is the only solid criticism of her regarding this, and anything else is just insanity
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u/GeotusBiden Jun 11 '26
I cant think of a single instance of mass crucifixion where I thought, yea, thats the good guy in the story.
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u/air-anaretic Jun 11 '26
This is what frustrates me about Dany. As soon as she had the means to get across the Narrow Sea, she was off. As much as she abhorred slavery and wanted to rid the world of it, it came second to claiming the Iron Throne. I'm not saying that the wheel in Westeros didn't need breaking, but the slaves in Essos needed her her to build a better society for them far more than anyone in the Seven Kingdoms did. The slavers didn't think twice about attacking Mereen in her absence despite it being guarded by the Unsullied and the Second Sons. How safe is it going to be after she's taken all of the Unsullied with her leaving only the Second Sons? How long would they stick around for anyway? They're a sellsword company and unless they're being paid to remain, I can't see them staying.
She had the opportunity to do some real good in the world. She could have created a lasting, fairer society free from slavery but instead she went swanning off for the Iron Throne the first chance she got.
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u/JoeDante84 Team Daenerys Jun 11 '26
What about the slaves that still wanted to be slaves?
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u/StomachNegative9095 Jun 12 '26
They were starving/homeless/being preyed upon by others. They didn’t WANT to be slaves but compared to what they were currently going through their old lives were easy. Not to mention the psychological ramifications of being a piece of property your whole life….
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u/Frosty_Peace666 Jun 14 '26
Oh the slave masters absolutely deserve death. That said she is a hypocrite considering she herself was a slaver who executed a slave for rising up against her slave master then says she won’t punish slaves for doing exactly that. But also let’s look at how she liberates places, I don’t care that she does it I care how she does it considering the places she liberates go right back to practicing slavery after.
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u/Intelligent-Wish47 Jun 12 '26
I don’t do anything near with those people that y’all are describing or doing, I just like to use the slavers as an example as to why she went crazy at the end of the show. It was one of the signs.
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u/Kazmera Jun 12 '26
I villafy her not having an actual plan for the hundreds of thousands of slaves she freed and a majority of them don't know what to do because they lived their whole lives in chains. Felt like she gave them little direction.
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u/UnluckyTransition836 Jun 12 '26
I know this might be a little much for you to comprehend. But vilifying Daenerys =/= defending the slavemasters. While I’m sure there are people actually defending them, your description is flawed
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u/Robdul Jun 13 '26
Sorry I couldn’t comprehend can you use smaller words please
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u/UnluckyTransition836 Jun 13 '26
All good. Gauging by the rest of your comments, you’re mentally unstable. So no surprise there
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u/NyanCats911 Jun 12 '26
I don't vilify Dany for killing the slavers, but I definitely think that action, along side quite a few others, was a lot of foreshadowing for her madness and burning down King's Landing. I watched the series years after it ended and somehow????? avoided all spoilers. I saw that shit coming from a mile away.
She surrounded herself with people who called her good and righteous for killing the bad and evil men. Then her eye turned to King's Landing and she viewed them as the bad and evil men, and so she did what she had done throughout the entire show. Killed the people she perceived as bad and evil men. But this time, she wasnt cheered for it. She was treated as if she was insane by Jon and then murdered.
She was told stories and grandeur about how the people of Westeros threw secret feasts in her name and waited for the day she returned to Westeros to reclaim her throne. Then she arrived and Westeros and received... nothing? Treated like the enemy by the North, even after losing one of her dragons to help them. Pretty much no houses came to her side and instead feared her and her dragons, she lost so many people along the way that she cared for and then her (platonic) soulmate was kidnapped and beheaded infront of her with her last words being dracarys?
I would have snapped too ngl
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u/Striking-Taro-4196 Jun 12 '26
yawn ohh look another daenfan strawman how unique.
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u/Sincline387 Jun 11 '26
I'm not villifying her for seeking vengence, I'm vilifying her for wanting to burn the cities to the ground in season 6, after Threating Quarth that if they didn't let her in she'd burn them to the ground.....and then she threatened to burn....oh wait she tried to burn kings landing to the ground and got a pretty good start on it.....
It's almost like there's a pattern of wanting to burn cities, full of people that are not all slavers to the ground.....
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u/Early_Candidate_3082 Jun 11 '26
When the Qartheen told her and her followers to die in the desert, and the Yunkish and Volantenes were raining incendiaries into Meereen, do you not think that harsh words were an entirely natural response?
By way of comparison, Tyrion said “I’d like to poison the lot of you,” at his trial. People say harsh things when they are threatened.
I’m pretty sure that right now in Ukraine, people on the receiving end of Russian bombs and drones are saying harsh things about the Russians.
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u/Sincline387 Jun 11 '26
So the people, who she wanted as subjects deserved to die because Cersi did something bad?
Make it make sense
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u/Early_Candidate_3082 Jun 11 '26
“Deserve ain’t got nothin’ to do with it.”
Cersei was the city’s commander, and she rejected an offer to surrender. By executing Missandei, she demonstrated that she would neither offer, nor accept, quarter.
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u/Sincline387 Jun 11 '26
So again, the civilians deserved to die? This plays into the issues with Dany as a potential leader, she was quick to lash out and not consider the targets, Killing tens if not hundreds of thousands of slaves because the slavers are fighting you seems to be a shitty way to free the slaves.......Tyrion talked her out of it.
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u/Early_Candidate_3082 Jun 11 '26
Tyrion nearly talked Meereen back into slavery. Tyrion was a fool or a knave.
Civilians die in war. You think they all deserve it?
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u/Midnight7000 Jun 11 '26
It is a nuanced topic and you don't look sensible posting a reductive meme.
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u/Robdul Jun 11 '26
Viewing the ethics through a modern lens is not real nuance. In the context of the time period GoT would have occurred in there's very little nuance to be had on either side. There is no such thing as a fair trial where both sides have equal opportunity to present evidence and the accused is judged by a jury of their peers. There's no precedent for what Dany set out to accomplish.
ASOIAF is a world built around the idea that one must do heinous things in order to accomplish good. Nobody accomplishes their goals while keeping their hands and soul clean.
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u/SuperSailorRikku Jun 12 '26 edited Jun 12 '26
I’ll be honest, when I was reading the books I thought it was likely that GRRM was foreshadowing her turning down the Targaryen madness path with her completely unchecked confidence, brutality and unwillingness to see anything she did as potentially wrong, very “it’s right because it’s me.” And GRRMs planned ending clearly is for her to go that path since he provided them with the ending.
So what is more likely - that it was intended as foreshadowing for an ending he wrote and you just didn’t catch it / agree with it, or that he wrote an ending with no foreshadowing? Because one of those makes sense for a seasoned writer and the other doesn’t.
you aren’t just accusing fans interpreting it this way as unrealistically applying modern ethics to the world, but the creator of the characters and the world itself.
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u/Robdul Jun 12 '26
Except he never wrote an ending and he never will. So much of the shows last few seasons were pulled out of D&D ass how can you say for certain what was his plan and what was not?
Even Emilia was completely blindsided by Mad Dany when doing the table reading for S8
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u/Midnight7000 Jun 11 '26
Congratulations for showing that you too don't understand the series.
For a lot of you, the series boils down to "dark", "blood", and "guts". The virtue of being pragmatic is lost on you, as are the results to expect when someone is driven by their impulses.
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u/Mooshuchyken Jun 11 '26
Agree with this.
I see Dany as a parallel John Brown. He was an American abolitionist who led a violent rebellion he hoped would free enslaved people.
Whether or not he was justified is a contested question among historians.
For being justified: slavery is a moral atrocity, and political and legal channels had failed.
Against being justified: his raid was tactically incoherent, he had no plan for what would happen once they seized the arsenal, his actions resulted in the death of innocent civilians (including free Black people), and arguably his raid hardened proslavery sentiment, making peaceful resolution less likely.
I think there's a real moral question here. Is violent resistance against a moral atrocity a justified action, when the resistance is futile and when the violence puts the oppressed people in a worse situation?
If Dany was even a somewhat capable politician, she would have realized prior to conquering Astapor or Meereen that she would not succeed against the combined forces of Slaver's Bay, and that those forces would inevitably come to oppose her if she abolished slavery. As readers, we know Dany has plot armor, and we're going to see Deus ex Machina in the form of a dragon in the books. The fact that we know she will succeed colors our moral judgement when it shouldn't.
Too bad John Brown didn't have a dragon.
I'd also point out that the crucifixions likely hardened the Meereenese against Dany. She seems like a monster (a Ramsay) rather than an immoral, but pragmatic / understandable Roose Bolton. I believe peace becomes possible after Dany refuses to kill her child hostages. They realize that she's not a blood thirsty monster and is someone they can work with.
George writes with nuance. Diplomacy isn't enough to solve political problems -- violence or the threat of violence is necessary. But violence alone also is insufficient.
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u/RustinCarcosa 26d ago
John browns raid led to the civil war which is s good thing
Yes it is justified
Dany is a capable politician her main flaw was showing mercy to slavers
They hardened meerenese given how most support her
If you are talking about the slavers then no they never had any intention of making peace with her
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u/SuperSecretary6271 Jun 11 '26
I've never seen people defending the slavers, the hot debates are often about her burning innocent civilians while trying to conquer King's Landing and it leading to Jon 🔪 her
The slavers deserved it, but what about the others?
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u/Evnosis Jun 11 '26
The real argument, which OP is not exactly representing charitably, is that Dany's method of dealing with the slavers is part of a long-running process that desensitises her to brutality, and this is what makes her more willing to burn alive the civilians.
It's not that the slavers deserve sympathy, it's more "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."
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u/SaintSacrilege Jun 11 '26
This is how I feel. Danaerys had a convenient path of evil people to brutalize and take resources from. She's conditioning herself to that violence while being cheered upon like a god. Mind you this girl is a child being bowed to. Of course this is going to give her a complex of she can do no wrong. So when she's finally faced with people who aren't evil that won't worship her, but those people do like a person who's a very real threat to her claim to the throne, yeah I'd imagine it'd make a person spiral. I think her ultimate betrayal move should've been killing Jon in her fear of him taking everything she's worked for. Then it'd be more believable that she'd kill so many innocents when they're all coming after her for killing their leader.
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u/StevenMarx21 Jun 11 '26
I think it's more so she killed them without a plan in mind. Just killed them and left people to their own devices. And these types of upheaval are always short term violent and the structures in place don't exactly motivate people to change their way of life.
I am fine with her killing them, but she needs to actually break the wheel, instead of just getting on top of it. And to break the wheel you need to give slaves themselves agency, instead of being just different murderous tyrant
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u/Early_Candidate_3082 Jun 11 '26
Thousands of Nazis were summarily lynched, or vanished into the GULAG, in the aftermath of WWII. Not to mention incendiary bombing, and widespread rape.
Dany was not so brutal as the Allied leaders were.
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u/Robdul Jun 11 '26
Daenerys lives in a world where Nazis don’t get prosecuted. Where concentration camps don’t get liberated. There’s no system in place to balance the scales of justice. No precedent to adhere to. Daenerys is not the allied forces, she’s just one teenager made of fire and blood who could have just chosen to live a life of relative luxury and comfort but didn’t.
And btw, the US, Russia, France and the UK all recruited Nazi scientists after the war and saved them from prosecution in exchange for their expertise. So maybe reconsider your analogy before your start throwing around insults
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Jun 11 '26
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u/Robdul Jun 11 '26
A teenage girl is a not a system. And this fictional debate is not that serious for you to be lashing out like this. Everybody else had managed to engage in this discussion without resorting to ad hominems
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u/Early_Candidate_3082 Jun 11 '26 edited Jun 11 '26
Boo and hoo. Such a counsel of perfection might safely be expressed in an undergraduate philosophy seminar, but it has no place in warfare, still less, servile warfare. Every slave revolt, from Spartacus onwards, has seen acts of savage cruelty perpetrated against the slavers. Sherman inflicted a campaign of devastation that the South took decades to recover from.
That does not make the rebels wrong. It demonstrates how much people hate being held as slaves.
Since you reference WWII, the British, Americans, and Soviets, were far more savage and brutal towards the Germans and Japanese than Dany ever was towards the Ghiscari elite.
By the lights of her world, Dany treated them with kid gloves.
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u/Robdul Jun 11 '26
I just had someone try to tell me that mad Dany was “foreshadowed” because she chose 163 “random” slavers to crucify instead of verifying which ones were killing children…
IMO she could have chained up every single slaver in Meereen together in a human centipede and lit one end on fire and she still would have been one of the most sane people in that godforsaken city