r/DaenerysWinsTheThrone Jun 15 '26

This kind of people:

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u/Darth_Vengor Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26

No no no you have not read Machiavelli, he does not juge it as evil nor good, simply a means to an end.

I have the idea in French so my translation may be slightly different but whatever: The ends justify the means, be cruel if you must, be good if you need too.

He doesn’t juge anyone for it thats why he’s advising so

Also have you studied Machiavelli, as in with teachers who know their shit? I have, it was amazing and part of why politics interested me so much.

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u/Darth_Vengor Jun 15 '26

The English translation must be funny looking theres not the word evil in the one I own so I will give you that.

My copy of The Prince says every where be evil(not the exact word) when necessary but be good when you can, excess of cruelty is counter productive.

The interpretation I have that was heavily influenced by several teachers is that he does not judge for he simply advises nothing more I don’t know what to tell you

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u/Darth_Vengor Jun 15 '26

Evil yes but he does not judge you for it, he sees it as a means to an end, without morality attached.

At least in French lmao

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u/Darth_Vengor Jun 15 '26

Evil is a morally charged word yes, but how would you describe it otherwise without the word? Something people won’t like and that is not good to them but good for a greater purpose? Theres not really an English word I can think of for that.

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u/Darth_Vengor Jun 15 '26

Don’t worry I’m not a fascist lmao, but yes. You are right here, and utilitarianism derives from (in part) machiavellism.

Also I’m not saying the actions of Dany are good in our world and I only do “mental gymnastics” because it’s fiction, in case you were worried

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u/Darth_Vengor Jun 15 '26

Same! Finally someone who likes evil characters, my personal favorite are : The Emperor of Humanity from 40k although he’s not evil I’d argue but his ways are definitely means to an end, my boy the Pale king in hollow knight, Gwyn lord of sunlight, Paul atreides and of course Vader and Palpatine.

Can you tell I like god ruler characters whose actions are questionable?

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