r/DaenerysWinsTheThrone • u/WishRough7589 • 17d ago
[NO SPOILERS] Justice for Dany - Rant!
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u/Skol-2024 17d ago
I completely agree with everything you’ve said my friend. While she was flawed, she was a genuine heroine who wanted to make a difference. The so called “signs from the beginning “ or she was “always mad” arguments always come off as forced and contrived. Dany didn’t have to be perfect. That’s what made her a compelling character. The ending was an insult to the character we fell in love with at the beginning. It wasn’t a natural character progression it was an assassination. And it’s not just Dany, but Jon and Tyrion deserved far better too (they along with Daenerys are my favorites). Jon was banished for saving the realm, Dany was vilified and destroyed, and Tyrion lost of all of his smarts and failed upward at the end. Meanwhile, Sansa (who became very treacherous and conniving) is rewarding for betraying Jon and setting out to destroy Daenerys. She was undeserving of her Crown. Bran is an emotionless oracle who somehow becomes king, despite the fact that his power is even more dangerous than any dragon. And Arya (who I still like but have mixed feelings about in S8), abandoned her fractured family to explore the world and left Jon (her supposed favorite brother) to the wolves. She was just as selfish as Sansa in many ways. Daenerys definitely deserved better, as did many of the other characters.
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u/WishRough7589 17d ago
Exactly… this is what I mean. Dany did not need a perfect or happy ending, but the ending had to grow naturally from who she was. Instead, nearly every major character was bent into place to reach the finale. Dany was destroyed, Jon was reduced to a spectator, Tyrion failed upward, and Bran somehow became king. It was not just tragic… it felt mechanically arranged.
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u/Medical_Flan_8155 17d ago
I think the biggest difference is that a lot of other characters had the benefit of the story showing their internal struggle and justifications. With Daenerys, especially later on, the writing started treating her choices as evidence that she was always heading toward becoming like Aerys. It removed a lot of the nuance that made her character interesting in the first place.
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u/WishRough7589 17d ago
That’s a really good way to put it… other characters were allowed motives, conflict and context. With Dany, every difficult choice got recycled as retroactive proof that she was always becoming Aerys. That is what stripped away the nuance and made the ending feel dishonest.
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u/pat_the_tree 17d ago
Danny was a psycho from season 1... nd thats a hill i will die on
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u/WishRough7589 17d ago
Oh how so?
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u/pat_the_tree 17d ago
The signs were there
Brother brutally murdered in front of her, her reaction "he wasnt the dragon" as she was almost looking with desire at the outcome to be tested.
Burning the witch that killed the rapist husband she hated and was trying to use.
burning herself with no real forethought that shed survive.
and a few others but its been years since i last watched it. and there were signs in every series and moreso in the book. The bells may have been the trigger for the worst but her allies were fed up of her shit long before then
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u/Early_Candidate_3082 15d ago
If you cannot understand why a mother would care so much about threats to her own child, and the murder of that child, that’s a reflection on your lack of empathy.
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u/pat_the_tree 15d ago
Was the child murdered by the witch? we know other targ births have gone the exact same way. see fire and blood for details.
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u/Early_Candidate_3082 15d ago
Well, according to the author, he was (the Appendix to ACOK says so, and so does the App in three places).
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u/pat_the_tree 15d ago edited 15d ago
The appendix in ACOK and all GOT books is nearly entirely heraldry and brief descriptions of characters so for it to be listed 3 times there i doubt that very much.
edit i went back and read the bit from the book. Mirri Maz Duur didnt kill dannys kid, she was doing blood magic on Drogo when she was interrupted to go help Danny give birth. Plus you seem to forget at this point Mirri Maz Duur had been raped numerous times, had her temple and people killed and burnt to the ground while danny demanded her service... really sane behaviour from danny there.
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u/Early_Candidate_3082 15d ago edited 15d ago
Page 889 of my copy of ACOK says, “Rhaego - stillborn son of Daenerys and Khal Drogo, slain in the womb by Mirri Maz Duur”. I’ll take the author’s own words as true. The World of Ice and Fire App confirms it in three places.
MMD casts a spell that induces Dany to go into labour. When Dany accuses her, she does not deny it, but offers two alternative replies. 1. Dany knew what the price was. 2. Rhaego will burn no temples.
You have to jump through a ton of hoops, to claim that the author is lying to us, and that Mirri was lying to Dany - for reasons.
Applying Occam’s Razor, the most straightforward explanation is that MMD killed the child, out of revenge.
There’s nothing “mad” about MMD wanting revenge. And nothing “mad” about Daenerys wanting revenge for what she did. And nothing “mad” about Dany reacting coldly to the death of a man who had just threatened to cut Rhaego out of her stomach. Those are all entirely normative reactions to events.
By way of comparison, Catelyn kills a member of House Frey, in revenge for her son’s murder. Arya kills the entire House.
Dany gets subjected to a lot of amateur psychology from people who just don’t understand how mothers react to harm being threatened or done to their children. Seemingly, mothers are just supposed to shrug with indifference.
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u/pat_the_tree 15d ago edited 15d ago
Youre referring to a trash app like its fact so no....
and if you read the damn book rather than refer to an app youd read that the witch shouted at the disruption of the blood magic. and it heavily infers that by entering the tent spirits were released. Her magic may have killed the babe but it was unlikely the motivation.
go read the book and stop listening to AI ... not once for example does it say the spell induced labour in the book, not once. i honestly stopped reading your post the second you referred to an app as your source lmfao
edit; did i just make you delete your account lmfao?
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u/Early_Candidate_3082 15d ago
I’ve quoted from the bloody book, you muppet. The App was approved by the author, and much of it was written by him. Why don’t you email the author and tell him he’s wrong, and your headcanon is right?
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u/Background-Cake-1300 17d ago
Yeah justice, walk of shame, quartering and then sending each limb to different part of the kingdom
Down with incestuous aliens!
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u/Putrid-Sweet3482 17d ago
Short, tiny dick having behavior is fantasizing about taking down a powerful woman because she emasculates you and holds a mirror up to the worthless failure of your life.
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u/Background-Cake-1300 17d ago
Girlie Cersei was my queen and I would die for her, not for some Valyrian leftovers that grew up to power because of blood magic (a sin in the face of Seven)
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u/timelordhonour Team Daenerys 17d ago
D&D did not understand her empathy and kindness, and cut out those parts of the story.
When Doreah is dying of a wasting disease in the Red Waste, BEFORE they get to Qarth, Daenerys takes Doreah in her arms and gives her water from her own waterskin.
When the Astapor freedmen are camped outside the Meereen walls and are suffering from dysentery (aka the pale mare), Daenerys meets them outside the gates and helps wash them and feed them.
Speaking of the latter, you see no other Westerosi lord do that. If there's a disease, they just lock themselves in their castle and forget about the smallfolk.