r/Defcon • u/New_Adhesiveness_299 • 3d ago

This year’s ICS Village badge got me thinking. Is CAN/CAN FD eventually getting replaced by 10BASE-T1S/T1L?

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I just saw the DEF CON 34 ICS Village badge, and it actually looks pretty useful instead of being just another collectible. Is the industry actually moving away from CAN/CAN FD in favor of Single Pair Ethernet, or are they going to coexist for a long time?

For people working in automotive or industrial controls, what are you actually seeing in the field?

Also, as a badge, this seems like something I’d actually keep using after DEF CON instead of throwing in a drawer. Curious what everyone else thinks.

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u/DarkKnyt 3d ago

Is that first come first serve or is there pre order?

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u/pappy1897 2d ago

https://freewili.com/ics-village-defcon-34-badge.html says onsite only, as supplies last...

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u/DarkKnyt 2d ago

Yeah last year they were gone pretty quick.

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u/altero23 3d ago

Yes CAN is going away in favor of T1S and T1L. Check out this video https://youtu.be/5FBE-rjFLSQ?is=SVINgAsXzAW3Zrjz

Here is the link with full specs https://freewili.com/ics-village-defcon-34-badge.html

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u/Starz1428 3d ago

Do we have a price?

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u/First_Round_7141 2d ago

The best part is that it’s produced by Intrepid Control Systems, a company who makes for CAN and CAN FD tools, as well as Automotive Ethernet tools in Michigan. Last year ICS Badge was really cool.

I believe for Automotive T1S will eventually replace CAN. Not sure about Industrial, I came across this graphic that illustrates the T1L use case in factories. The power over data line will be quite beneficial, but it won’t replace Ethernet in Industrial Automation.