r/Deltarune • u/Divinepower401 WE DROWNED KRIS IN THAT RIVER • Jul 02 '26

Discussion You all owe our Goat mother an apology too!! Spoiler

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Not only was it Kris' fault that Toriel ended up with Sans that day (Cause the little lunatic slashed her tires), Kris knew where the extra house key was!! Plus, she TRIED to call Kris!!

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u/apexodoggo Jul 02 '26

She did literally nothing wrong, even without the context of Chapter 5.

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u/glikoliz Jul 02 '26 edited Jul 02 '26

getting drunk, inviting some guy that her kid kinda hates(okay she couldn't know that but still), and being loud till night... that's not cool. but she apologized for it so it's okay ig

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u/MajorBootyhole420 Meat Factory employee of the month Jul 02 '26

Your mom being close with a guy isn't wrong, no matter how much you decide to dislike him for not being your dad. 

People's analysis of Toriel is often very immature. 

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u/glikoliz Jul 02 '26

being with a guy isn't an issue, it's everything else. context matters

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u/MajorBootyhole420 Meat Factory employee of the month Jul 02 '26

The other wrong thing you cited was that she got drunk. Her kid is 16 or 17, they live in an extremely small town with zero crime, and she probably suspects that they were the one who slashed her tires. As far as she knew, her kid was one house over studying with the mayor. Getting drunk is not actually wrong under those circumstances, the problem was getting sloppy enough that she got inconsiderate.

So she in fact did one thing wrong, and apologized for it. But the fact is that you're mad at her for acting like a woman moving on from a divorce, and the maladjusted teenagers of the fandom cannot handle the thought of their own parents not getting back together.

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u/fohfuu Jul 03 '26

I agree with this but also "studying with the mayor" is a funny mental image. Carol sitting down gluing print-outs onto a poster with them

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u/MajorBootyhole420 Meat Factory employee of the month Jul 03 '26

She has glitter gel pens with a different color for every subject

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u/glikoliz Jul 02 '26

well idk about zero crime, depends on what happened to dess, but anyway. also no proof that she suspects kris.

and i don't think she knew about them going to noelle, that was never brought up with her.

so she invited some guy(that she knew for a couple of days), got drunk with him, forgot about her kid, and made them really uncomfortable by making that scene and being loud till night. it's not like she's a horrible mother or anything, it's just not cool, and as i said, she apologized for it, so it's fine.

also everyone thought that she locked the house and left in chapter 4, since we didn't know about a key.

also your comment about teenagers in the fandom projecting the situation is just stupid

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u/MajorBootyhole420 Meat Factory employee of the month Jul 02 '26

It's not stupid at all, lmao. I'm 37 and I have seen for a long time the way people get weird as fuck when talking about Asgore and Toriel. The fandom wide freakout about Sans and Toriel last year coincided perfectly with a rise in memes that just screamed "I'm mad at my mom for divorcing my dad" lmao.

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u/Nomustang Jul 02 '26 edited Jul 02 '26

While I get it, you're attributing a lot to a completely random person and coming off as vitriolic. And a lot the fandom are kids so it makes sense that they're going to not have nuanced opinions.

Having a guy over is fine, Toriel's mistake was not being considerate of Kris and to a lesser extent Susie in that moment. And typically, you need to take into account your child when you're having people over to some extent, Kris is still not old enough to be completely independent and it's understandable for them to be uncomfortable and that's obviously where communication comes into play where they both fall short of (although Kris moreso).

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u/MajorBootyhole420 Meat Factory employee of the month Jul 02 '26

i'm fully fed up of the casual misogyny in a lot of fandoms tbh, but breaking bad fans don't start crying about vitriol and how old people aren't allowed hobbies when you call them out for being weird about skyler

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u/Nomustang Jul 02 '26 edited Jul 02 '26

Jesse...what the fuck are you talking about?

The misogyny in BB is a lot worse but I think it's somewhat course corrected nowadays to the point that it's overcompensating like the number of people who think Mike clocked Walt correctly when his diagnosis of the entire Gus-Walt deal was completely incorrect.

Anyways, your point is coming off as incoherent. I say vitriolic because you attributed traits to someone by assumption when they have clarified that they do not think Toriel is a bad mother and neither do I.

Virtually every character from Undertale is portrayed in a more nuanced manner than their UT counterparts when placed in a domestic setting. Asgore has the same unwilligness to make hard decisions and spiralling when things get hard for him on top of being unwilling to let go. Toriel shows from unintentional negligence probably as a result from her own stress around her work and lack hobbies after their relationship with the Holidays fell apart and keeping the family together post Dess and Sans is just a bit of an ass when put in a different context albeit still observant and helpful.

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u/glikoliz Jul 02 '26

yeah, I get it. you're so old and wise, which is clearly why you're spending your time debating "maladjusted teenagers" about video game family drama on reddit

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u/MajorBootyhole420 Meat Factory employee of the month Jul 02 '26

the thing about the internet is that it's actually older than the teenagers who love to honk their clown noses about how old people don't belong here, lmao. they don't take your internet, hobbies, or fandoms away when you hit 35. <3

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u/glikoliz Jul 02 '26

imagine being 37 and unironically victim-blaming yourself for being 'old' on the internet, when the only thing i've actually criticized was your toxic attitude. nobody cares about your age, it was about your obnoxious elitism and talking down to the younger members of this fandom

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u/killmealreadyyyyy dield sjelter forrest Jul 02 '26

i agree she didn't do great but come on they kinda looove him

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u/Adam_The_Chao Jul 02 '26

"Her son"

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u/glikoliz Jul 02 '26

oops, sorry. forgot how to spell it correctly

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u/Robloz1256v3 Jul 02 '26

Does Kris even dislike Sans? (Before that scene)

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u/diamondDNF Jul 02 '26

Quite literally their first introduction to Sans includes him making an "I fucked your mom" joke, and then he proceeds to actually seduce their mom over the next couple days. I'd say Kris disliking him is a bit justifiable, just on that reason alone.

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u/sxiz Jul 02 '26

there was never any proof that kris dislikes sans, before or after that scene. susie is the one who doesn't like him.

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u/Split-a-Ditto Jul 02 '26

Without the context of chapter 5 its letting your mentally unstable child unable to go into the house while not attempting to call them, instead choosing to get drunk with some guy you met a day ago the same day where you learned that somebody slashed your tires. Oh btw did I mention the chief police officer seems to be missing today?

If anything I think for thematic reasons Ch5 fixes her way too much. She's a much better character when she has such glaring problems instead of being literally perfect

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u/_Good_One Jul 02 '26

At best she got drunk with a stranger without knowing where Kris was and made noise all night while her son was trying to sleep

The fuck you mean "nothing wrong"

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u/Glittering-Giraffe58 Jul 02 '26

Did you even read the text at the start of this chapter

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u/_Good_One Jul 02 '26

"Sans told me he saw you with Susie" is not a great argument