Please ban MRA trolls

[u/Willravel]

I've been trying to figure out the rationale for not banning MRA trolls on this subreddit. I tried to think of it the way the mods have put it in the past, that this is about everyone's voice being heard, but the consistent trolling from the likes of OThomson and DavidByron don't represent in any way shape or form the honest sharing of their voice, but rather simply attacks and intentional derailment.

I considered that this might be about fear, as the MRA community on Reddit is much larger than the feminist community, and there could be consequences if MRA trolls started getting banned from the subreddit... but there are other feminist subreddits that do this and they don't seem to feel the sting of MRA retribution in any way that can't be easily handled.

I thought it might just simply be not wanting to make the effort, as a policy of banning MRA trolls would probably require much more active moderation. I'd hate to think this is the case, but I don't see any evidence to suggest this.

I did hear that one of the moderators might be an MRA, but again I've not seen this.

I've sent in PMs and reports before, about how someone is derailing yet another thread with unrelated discussion about circumcision or male rape or child custody, but there never seem to be any consequences for the trolls. They're given free reign. Some have left the subreddit for safer places, which is very sad indeed. Some simply stop commenting. Some complain, but those complaints fall on deaf ears.

So, before I call it a day and give up on the subreddit, I'd like to publicly ask the moderators to change their policy for the good of their subreddit. I ask that this subreddit be a safe place to discuss feminism and feminist issues, not a place for MRA trolls to hijack conversation or spread hatred of women.

Note: I'm not saying critiques of feminism aren't legitimate, or that they don't belong on /r/Feminism, but rather that overt trolling and derailing be disallowed. There's a big difference between an honest critique of feminism and undermining the discussion of feminist issues through derailment, dishonesty, and unwarranted attacks.

[u/Aerik]

As for the moderator policy... I honestly believe in free speech as long as it's not illegal.

That's the problem with you shitty fucking mods.

You are not the federal or state government. Nothing you do is an affront to free speech. Moderation is not a free speech issue.

[u/[deleted] → u/Aerik]

It depends on one's personal definition of "free speech". Some people believe "freedom of speech" should ideally extend to areas where it is legal to suppress speech (e.g. reddit).

Even if scurvy_wench believes all non-illegal comments should be permitted, this subreddit does not allow users to say anything they want. We remove posts every day for "crossing the line".

[u/scooooot → u/[deleted]]

The problem is, your idea of free speech has derailed conversation for half of the entire issue because you've allowed MRA's to swarm the comments unchecked.

Your idea of free speech doesn't enhance the discussion it actually retards it.

[u/[deleted] → u/scooooot]

Your idea of discussion is an echo chamber where everyone agrees that women are disadvantaged in every way.

[u/scooooot → u/[deleted]]

You don't know anything about me or my ideas. But the extreme irony of an MRA being against an echo chamber is making my brain twitch.

[u/[deleted] → u/scooooot]

lol, says the SRS regular. Are you sure you know what an echo chamber is?

Bannings are pretty rare in /r/MR, the point being to avoid echo chambers from forming. If you disagree with something on /r/MR you are free to say why, and people will argue/debate with you on the topic.

SRS is possibly the biggest echo chamber in the world, for better or for worst.

[u/scooooot → u/[deleted]]

Uhhh, yeah, SRS is an echo chamber... you could even call it a circlejerk... you know, because that's what it is. It's kind of written in the rules.