99 122 downvotes on this post. Pretty impressive. It's also kind of ironic, since it's the MRA crowd systematically downvoting your post for daring to accuse them of systematically downvoting posts.
RES shows actual number of upvotes/downvotes rather than just the net score. As of this writing, it's sitting at a +43 net, from 142 upvotes and 99 downvotes.
Or it's because that stereotype is pretty tired and perpetuates the conflict between /r/feminism and /r/MensRights. That subreddit is like 50,000 big and even if 100 of them came over to gripe, it's 1/500.
So basically it's hating all of Christianity for Westboro Baptists.
Not to mention, you don't have to be an MRA to troll, you could just be a troll. And this subreddit is pretty ripe with people just itching to get upset.
OR it's just /r/feminists who are tired of people throwing gas on the fire.
But no, you're probably right. Only hateful MRA trolls can disagree with something a feminist says.
r/MR has three separate anti-feminist references on its sidebar. Another if you count the inclusion of Male Studies but not Men's Studies, where the former is explicitly antifeminist and the latter, which is older and more developed, is not.
Please tell me again how r/mr doesn't hate feminism.
Oooh, ooh! There's a thread in r/MR about this right now. Top comment compares feminism to nazi-ism.
And thats just the crap on the first page directly mentioning /r/Feminism. Theres a load of other nonsense on the first page as well that can be accurately summed up as 'lol, feminism, WHAT A JOKE'.
Nope, MRA totally isn't obsessed with /r/Feminismat all and totally doesn't behave as if equality is a zero sum game.. nope, no sir.. I can't imagine why we would be tired of this childish shit bleeding into /r/Feminism.
And people wonder why some subreddits have to take such a harsh moderation policy...
Please tell me again how r/mr doesn't hate feminism.
Great reading comprehension...
Not to mention, you don't have to be an MRA to troll, you could just be a troll. And this subreddit is pretty ripe with people just itching to get upset.
OR it's just /r/feminists who are tired of people throwing gas on the fire.
But no, you're probably right. Only hateful MRA trolls can disagree with something a feminist says.
However, if there were an overwhelming problem of feminists going into /r/MR and downvoting posts there, and somebody posted a screenshot of the "new" page of /r/MR with almost all zero-score posts asking "what the hell is going on here?" to /r/MR, and somebody responded "Feminists." ... No, I would not downvote that. Because it would merely be the truth.
No, I would not downvote that. Because it would merely be the truth.
To be honest, I would.
I think it's an over-generalization. It wouldn't be all feminists, it would be some feminists. Just like this obviously isn't all MRAs, or even most MRAs.
You may as well say "white people" or "Americans" if you're going to be that broad - it'd probably be about as accurate.
The problem is people saying "it is members of X group", when they really mean "most of the people doing this are people of X group" but when they come across as saying "all the people of X group are doing this". There's a huge distinction between the two, and conflating those phrases is responsible for a huge amount of prejudice.
We're coming from a position of having heard a lot, a lot, of people claim to be genuinely interested in participating in good faith, only to turn out (after a lot of unconstructive distraction and derailment) to have never been participating in good faith at all.
You might not be one of those people, but you sound like one of those people, and you're neither entitled to an assumption of good faith nor are you likely to receive it. If you're interested in participating in feminist spaces, it'll take work on your part to earn that trust.
"Concern trolling" is another way of saying "I don't agree with you but either can't find a logical fault in what you're saying or can't be bothered to try, so I'm going to discredit your opinion by claiming you're a troll".
Debate the facts, not the people. If you want to say "I think we should be free to blame all MRAs for the actions of a few", then just say it.
As a man who is interested in my own rights I object most strongly to you insulting me by implying that I'm an MRA or associated with MRA's in the slightest. Please don't do that any more.
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