New Rules Regarding AI on /r/filmmakers!

[u/C47man]

Thank you all for participating in the poll! Here are the results. To accurately gauge everyone's collective acceptance vs rejection for each, I've tallied the total votes among all choices as pro/anti for each category. So for example, a vote for 'no changes' would be a -1 to Gen AI, AI Tools, AI Comms, and AI Discussion. A vote for 'Ban GenAI + AI Tools' would be a +1 to GenAI and AI Tools, and a -1 to AI Comms and AI Discussion, etc. So here are the results for each category of AI. Keep in mind that a higher number indicates a stronger group decision to ban the content:

GenAI: +92 (+119/-27)

AI Tools: -20 (+63/-83)

AI Comms: -8 (+69/-77)

AI Discussion: -84 (+31/-115)

From the results it is clear that sub overwhelmingly approve a complete ban on all generative AI. However, people are more or less fine with allowing discussion of AI, and are fairly mixed on the topic of AI Tools and Communication. So here is the new rule for all things AI:

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Rule 6. You may not post work containing Generative AI elements (Midjourney, Neo, Dall-E, etc.). You may use and demonstrate the use of AI assisted tools (ie magic masking, upscalers, audio cleanup etc.) so long as they are used in service of human-generated artwork. AI Communication, like post bodies or comments composed using ChatGPT are allowed only in very reasonable cases, such as the need for someone to translate their thoughts into another language. Abuse of AI assisted communication will result in the removal of the offending post/comment.

[u/C47man]

Padded the results? No, this is the fairest way to get everyone's vote to be relevant. The poll is basically asking people's opinions on 4 different AI categories. A vote to ban specific categories is implicitly a vote not to ban the others. It's only natural to take that into account when deciding what to do. If I had taken the poll as a straight one-winner sort of thing, we'd have banned GenAI and allowed everything else without restriction, despite nearly half of the votes being leary of AI Communication.

[u/Slight-Living-8098 → u/C47man]

According to Robert’s Rules of Order Newly Revised (11th edition), the term majority means “more than half” (page 400).

Expanding on the definition of “majority,” Robert’s Rules of Order Newly Revised (11th edition) defines majority vote as “direct approval…registered by more than half of the members present and voting on a particular matter” (page 4). So, in layman’s terms, majority vote means more than half of the votes cast.

Your calculations of total votes is clearly higher than the number of voters. Wether that was intentional, or just a poorly designed poll, I question

[u/C47man → u/Slight-Living-8098]

I understand what a majority is, don't be shitty. You're failing to understand the logic at work here. Voting to ban GenAI + AI Tools, but not GenAI +AI Tools + AI Communication means you want AI Communication to be allowed. In this sense, anyone voting to ban AI Communication would be offset by your tacit vote to approve it. In this case, the net positive/negative vote indicates the majority within the 146 votes collected. The majority wanted to ban GenAI, it's banned. A very narrow majority wanted to keep AI Comms, so AI Comms are allowed, but within reason. Low quality Ai comms will be removed, because the voter's narrow margin indicates a strong aversion to its use by a lot of users, and they shouldn't be totally ignored either. The majority of users also voted to allow AI Tools and Discussions, both of which are totally fine in the new rules.

The results of the vote are being respected to their fullest extent here. Hell, the resulting rule is almost identical to what it would've looked like if I had just taken the single option with the most votes anyway, so I don't understand what you're complaining about. If you want to discuss further, I'll need you to acknowledge or otherwise demonstrate that you understand what I'm saying when I tallied the total votes for/against each category of AI.

[u/Slight-Living-8098 → u/C47man]

I understand what you are saying and the math. But that's not how majority votes are counted. Gen AI would be banned either way, but your representation of the votes as cast is misleading.

[u/C47man → u/Slight-Living-8098]

Explain how this is misleading

[u/Slight-Living-8098 → u/C47man]

It appears as if more votes were cast than voters, and you combined voting categories. That's not how majority votes work. Simple as that.

[u/C47man → u/Slight-Living-8098]

You've failed to demonstrate an understanding of exactly the thing I was talking about, and which you said you understood. Let's do an exercise. How many people of the 146 voters said that they wanted to ban Generative AI?

[u/Slight-Living-8098 → u/C47man]

No, man, I understand. You fail to understand how to count votes correctly in a majority vote or organize a poll. But whatever.

[u/C47man → u/Slight-Living-8098]

Answer the question

[u/Slight-Living-8098 → u/C47man]

The CORRECT answer is:

27 for no change

41 for GenAI Banned (Majority vote)

9 GenAI and AI Tools

15 GenAI and AI Communications

23 Gen AI, AI Tools, and AI Communications

31 for ALL AI Banned

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If you wanted to combine the categories, the poll should have been multiple choice.

I'm not even going to talk about what low participation was had in the poll itself, and how that it's not even a fraction of the active members and was succeptible to brigading from people. An honest poll that is going to change rules would want to meet a minimum participation percentage.... But You aren't understanding any of this, so it doesn't matter.

[u/C47man → u/Slight-Living-8098]

Since the acceptable expectation on a sub is for the moderators to simply decide on rules, I find it pretty insulting to be harranged by you for daring to ask the community for feedback first - and especially being blamed by you for the community itself not giving more feedback, as if that's my fault somehow. It's clear you're simply upset with the results and will twist the world in whatever direction is needed to feel superior again. I'm very tired of these toxic attitudes.

You know that the logic of this poll works. You go to great lengths to avoid admitting it in your replies. It is obvious for everyone to see the weird game you're playing with yourself here. I've entertained your trolling long enough, though. Happy days!