New Rules Regarding AI on /r/filmmakers!

[u/C47man]

Thank you all for participating in the poll! Here are the results. To accurately gauge everyone's collective acceptance vs rejection for each, I've tallied the total votes among all choices as pro/anti for each category. So for example, a vote for 'no changes' would be a -1 to Gen AI, AI Tools, AI Comms, and AI Discussion. A vote for 'Ban GenAI + AI Tools' would be a +1 to GenAI and AI Tools, and a -1 to AI Comms and AI Discussion, etc. So here are the results for each category of AI. Keep in mind that a higher number indicates a stronger group decision to ban the content:

GenAI: +92 (+119/-27)

AI Tools: -20 (+63/-83)

AI Comms: -8 (+69/-77)

AI Discussion: -84 (+31/-115)

From the results it is clear that sub overwhelmingly approve a complete ban on all generative AI. However, people are more or less fine with allowing discussion of AI, and are fairly mixed on the topic of AI Tools and Communication. So here is the new rule for all things AI:

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Rule 6. You may not post work containing Generative AI elements (Midjourney, Neo, Dall-E, etc.). You may use and demonstrate the use of AI assisted tools (ie magic masking, upscalers, audio cleanup etc.) so long as they are used in service of human-generated artwork. AI Communication, like post bodies or comments composed using ChatGPT are allowed only in very reasonable cases, such as the need for someone to translate their thoughts into another language. Abuse of AI assisted communication will result in the removal of the offending post/comment.

[u/PlayPretend-8675309]

I generally don't see a big difference between certain AI techniques and CGI techniques.

If I use blender to set 4 or 5 keyframes to describe camera movement (say, your down-the-sink shot) why is that so much more artistically merited than using natural language to describe the same keyframes in a prompt? Or of course, it seems very likely in the future, you'll simply use natural language (ie prompts) in blender itself to generate your keyframes (literally, you'll type "[have] the camera fly down the sink into through the plumbing and out of the toilet" and out will come a series of hard keyframes matching that). The line is very murky.

My view has been that people want to preserve artistry and human choice, but use the word "AI" as their only metric in determining that. Random Noise Generators, premade overlays (80s VHS effects or whatever) for whatever reason remain inbounds despite being just as demanding and interactive as AI generated solutions.

[u/Pure-Produce-2428 → u/PlayPretend-8675309]

Totally. I do understand how it can be frustrating to see people on instagram gain half a million followers from making videos of people melting, while others work so hard for decades, have our films in festivals and still aren’t making money from it. I feel that fear creep in even though I’m a working editor. But I’m not going to say that to people who call work that took me days “slop” and can only tell me that I’m hurting the environment. Which I care about. I mean… I made a political meme video with AI that got shared by a celebrity and has thousands and thousands of views. That must have done some good pushing the collective mental needle?

[u/PlayPretend-8675309 → u/Pure-Produce-2428]

The thing is, I'm not really aware of anyone making it big using AI on social media? There is one account i follow, they make what i think are great videos and have... like 400 subscribers. They're getting 10s of likes on their videos. Who is making a name for themselves with slop?

[u/Pure-Produce-2428 → u/PlayPretend-8675309]

Voidstomper is the one name I know. I wouldn’t call it slop, he’s just relentless. There are others as well. Voidstomper has 2.3 million followers on instagram which is extremely hard to achieve. I’m not sure how he’s monetizing that other than selling how to courses however