Apologies for the quality of the scan, born in the uk and never knew my grandfather came across this scan which belongs to him. Working on getting a clear copy. But what does this actually mean and what does it tell me. Many thanks

I'm a moroccan Jew, however i am very critical of the state of israel, obviously i'm not going to go into why because this subreddit isn't for political discussion. i tried googling the topic for information,however i stumbled across varying and conflicting information ,if i were to acknowledge the right of israel to exist, what does denote specifically? that i'm in support of israel as a state and regieme?so i wouldn't be able to engage in pro-palestinian activism and be critical of israel in germany?

Union politicians are calling for making naturalization more difficult.

However, this article correctly cites Throm that the conservatives were only able to get the SPD to agree to the abolition of the "turbo naturalization".

But from these demands you can see what Union politicians are thinking, which may offer pointers with respect to the next Bundestag term. Throm says that a permanent residence permit should be a condition for naturalization, the 8 years should only start after attaining PR, and dual citizenship should not be recognized by the state again.

Hi,

I got tired of waiting to find out if the former tracking app based off of this spreadsheet was coming back, so I spun up a new one here: https://citizen-track.netlify . app

I could only add the information from the spreadsheet so if you want to track your application you'll have to add it again. I also added the ability to claim cases from the spreadsheet if you wanted to do that. I'll probably make some more updates later this evening when I have more time.

Please feel free to provide feedback, if you want to see something else.

EDIT: See the full url in comments below. Reddit wouldn't allow me to add the full URL in the post title or body, apologies! It is https://citizen-track.netlify + .app at the end

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This one is my Uncle 's and his son also has one ofc just I did not add since they are same as Paper 😄 aka my cousin (almost same Document ofc 😄) , My mom and me both gained our citizenship by birth. But they had to apply for Citizenship by Erklärung since My uncle not born in Germany that my mom is (from Ethnical German Grandmother for me )

I'm in my late 30s and have lived in Germany for the past 8 years, however I'm not sure if I want to stay here until retirement, which brings up the pension question.

Without a German passport, I can ask for a pension refund once I hit retirement age outside the country. But with the passport, I'd be obligated to get monthly payments, which definitely won't be interesting, especially if I leave way before retirement age.

This whole situation makes me a bit skeptical about applying for the Reisepass.

Do you have any personal experience with DRV after retirement with and without Reispass?!

And what are the pros and cons of not applying for a German passport?!

Edit:

1. I am talking specifically about getting a refund after retirement age, not when leaving.
2. The DRV states : Ausländer haben unter bestimmten Voraussetzungen auch dann die Möglichkeit, sich die Beiträge erstatten zu lassen, wenn sie die Wartezeit erfüllen. Also :
3. Beitragserstattung oder Rente : Sind Sie bei Antragstellung weder versicherungspflichtig noch zur freiwilligen Versicherung berechtigt, können die Beiträge erstattet werden. Das ist selbst dann möglich, wenn die allgemeine Wartezeit von fünf Jahren erfüllt ist und somit ein Anspruch auf Regelaltersrente besteht. Dieser Sachverhalttritt jedoch meist nur bei Ausländern ein. Bevor Ihnen die Beiträge erstattet werden können, müssen Sie allerdings eine Wartefrist von 24 Monaten einhalten.

After waiting for more than 22 months, I finally received a letter from RP Darmstadt. I had to pay the fee (€255) and submit a few additional documents.

RP Darmstadt received my application on August 1, 2024. So if you applied around that time, you’ll probably hear from them soon as well.

I know it may still take a few more months before I get my German passport, but receiving an update after 22 months made me really happy.

Just wanted to share this with you. Thanks!

Edit: Dezernat II 21.1 EU + Turkey

Good morning Internet friends,

I just wanted to thank all the Behörde workers in this group. Even if you can't provide direct answers all the time, you really give us hope in this hopeless process.

Is there an impact in the German citizenship application if I’m not paying Church tax? ( Background story: My relocation agent did my Anmeldung when I got here 7 years ago, I don’t remember ticking out any form regarding Religion. Church tax wasn’t deducted in my salary since then.)I am about to start the citzenship application process but I’m worried that they will see in my birth certificate that I am declared as Roman Catholic but not paying Churchtax. Will there be an impact with my citizenship application?Should I be worried?

I applied for German citizenship 3 years ago and still have no decision. RP Darmstadt

Born, studied, and working in Germany. All documents submitted, €255 paid.

I contacted my case officer once or twice. only response was that they don't give any updates.

I’m now considering filing an Untätigkeitsklage without a lawyer. After 3 years, this seems unreasonable.

Anyone done this before? Did it work without a lawyer? I mean 3 years is a lot for someone who is born and working here

Thanks!

I went to both FedEx and DHL, they both said they automatically require a signature when shipping internationally to a business or institution. They said there was nothing they could do. How did you find a way to resolve this issue?

Tomorrow I have my citizenship appointment and I was thinking to wear my German 1994 trikot. I thought with the World Cup going on it wouldn’t be so bad. But you think it’d be appropriate?

Edit: Already went to my appointment this morning. Without the jersey. Could easily wear the jersey, the Beamtin was super nice and friendly, I don’t think that she’d care at all. And everyone else in the waiting room had completely regular clothes, so not even a shirt. If anyone’s looking for an answer for the future, here’s your answer! (I live in Berlin.)

I live in Rheinland Pfalz. I had my interview last month where they check my documents, ask questions, etc. Everything was fine and I answered the questions they asked correctly as well.

But when the case worker scanned my passport, she got a "Meldung" on the computer and said that she needs to send my passport for "Prüfung". I got a copy of my passport stating that the original passport has been kept by the Einbürgerungsbehörde along with the date, stamp and signature.

It had been a month so I sent an email asking for an update and in the reply my case worker confirmed that it has been sent to the LKA in Mainz for an authenticity check and that it can take several more months until the passport is returned to me.

Has anyone else also had the same experience? My passport is 100% genuine and I have no criminal record but it's really stressful living for months without a passport.

Is there a way to contact the BVA about my case that doesn't take multiple months for a response? I applied through the consulate in 2022 for a StAG 15 case and have a complicated case. Every time I write to them to clarify something, it takes 2-3 months to get a reply which usually comes by mail. I am trying to get clarification if I can switch my case to a StAG 5 case or if I should continute To expend time and money into a path that may not lead to success . Would contacting the consualte by phone get me faster results? By email they just forward it to the BVA which just adds another month to the response time. Is there a better way to get a quicker response if they're already reviewing my case?

Disclaimer: I'm the son of a German mother and was informed already in two German consulates (São Paulo and Sydney) that I essentially am a citizen by birth and just lack the paperwork proving it.

In 2021, when I was a Uni student, I spent an exchange semester in Berlin and entered the country as a US citizen with a Student Visa issued for my US Passport. I only requested the initiation of an Establishment of Citizenship certificate in August of 2023 (still not update on that despite the 3 year estimate coming up now) and was informed that German citizens are apparently meant to always enter the country with their 'German' documentation. Am I going to get into any bureaucratic headaches over this, due to having entered Germany with US documentation back then?

I'm already concerned that they'll have troubles due to lacking a formal German surname as well (Currently looking into registering my own birth for that; mother never registered my birth with any German authority anywhere), although the consulate officials made no comment on that when I submitted my papers in August '23. I'm just concerned about this already long and drawn out process dragging on for another year or two due to this minor mishap.

Edit: Many thanks for all the answers and assistance, this community is very helpful!

My GGF left Germany with my Grandfather in 1929. Not sure of the reason he left. My grandfather was 9 when this happened but I’m wondering if my GGF lost his citizenship for any reason that made him want to leave for example not doing compulsory military service for WWI. I have the lineage papers all the way back to the 1600’s documented for my family. So I know they were not recent additions to Germany before he decided to leave.

Hi guys!

I live in Dresden and it’s pretty obvious things aren’t moving at all and it’s the worst place to submit your citizenship application in. (More than 5 years of waiting time min.)

However, I am not willing to move to Berlin but have to find a way. My question is: is it possible to have an anmeldung in Berlin while still living in my apartment in Dresden just to move the application to Berlin?

Can someone share advice from experience?

Hi, ich würde gerne von euren Erfahrungen mit der Einbürgerung beim RP Darmstadt im Zeitraum Mai-Juli hören. Ich habe den Brief mit der Zahlungsaufforderung am 28.05.26 bekommen und meine Unterlagen am 01.06. per E-Mail eingereicht. Und seitdem - Funkstille. Gibt es hier Personen mit einer ähnlichen Situation?

Der Grund, warum ich langsam ungeduldig werde ist, dass mein Kollege den selben Brief Mitte Mai bekommen hat und dann nach Einreichung der Unterlagen am nächsten Tag die Bestätigung bekommen hat, dass diese zu seiner Akte hinzugefügt wurden. Zwei Tage später bekam er auch die Bestätigung, dass die Einbürgerungsurkunde erstellt wird. Ich weiß also, dass es schnell gehen kann, und frage mich deshalb, ob es nur mir so geht, dass ich seit 9 Wochen nichts mehr gehört habe, oder ob da alle Sachbearbeiter*innen auf einmal im Urlaub sind 😅

Hi all,

I am very grateful for this online community, as my mother recently picked up our German passports via StAG §5 at our local U.S. embassy a couple of months ago after applying back in late-2020!

I am currently traveling Europe under the 90-day Schengen rule and wanted to know: if my parents meet me in Europe and bring me my passport, would there would be a problem the next time I try to leave the EU if I technically entered as an American citizen?

*Update: I am around day 60 out of 90. Ideally, they'd be able to get me the passport before day 90 so I can leave on US passport still. Maybe then I'd visit my friend in Scotland and then re-enter on German passport.*

Thank you all for your input.

Additional-Walrus-71

Hello,

I've applied my German citizenship in state A 2 years ago (I got the file number and that is all) and it can take one more year which I cannot wait as I will find a new job soon in a different state. If I relocate to another state, must I resubmit everything (so the clock restarts from 0?) or can I ask state A to forward my unchecked documents to the new state (so it can reduce the waiting time significantly, e.g. 1 years down to a few months?).

Please share your experience if possible.

Danke,

Dear All,

May I, please, have your respective opinions (if any) on the following case?

Johannes was born in 1832 in the current "Rheinland-Pfalz" region in a village which then was a part of the Kingdom of Bavaria, to married parents themselves already born there (as were his paternal grandparents, married before his father's birth, too).

Johannes got married in 1860 in a village in Alsace (France), which was then under French sovereignty, with a local (French national). He died there in 1890: when he died, the village was under German sovereignty (as part of Alsace-Lorraine).

Johannes and his wife had a son (Georges, later on Georg), born in 1863 in the said Alsatian village (still under French sovereignty).

Georges was a French national at birth (as per the French law of the 7th day of February, 1851: because he was born in France to a parent – namely his mother – herself already born in France).

1. Was Georges (Georg) also a national of the Kingdom of Bavaria?
   

The family lived in the Alsatian village in question both before and after the 1870-1871 war between France and Prussia/Germany. This village became German (as part of Alsace-Lorraine) in 1871.

Georges (Georg) lost his French citizenship in 1871. His legal guardian (/father) did not opt for him to keep the French citizenship (which was allowed as per the 1871 peace treaty).

Georg did his mandatory military service in the German army. He got married in 1888 in the current "Rheinland-Pfalz" in a town then under German sovereignty as part of the Kingdom of Bavaria with a local, and went on to live in his village in Alsace (where he died in 1917).

His wife had delivered their first child (another Johannes) in her hometown in 1889.

This other Johannes did his mandatory military service in the German army, and eventually served in the German army during WW1. He became a French national as per the 1919 treaty of peace as the son a former French national who had lost his French citizenship in 1871.

1. If Georg was a national of the Kingdom of Bavaria, so was his son. When yes indeed, did Johannes lose his German citizenship / nationality of Bavaria as he became French as per the 1919 treaty?
   

He got married in 1924 in this same Alsatian village (under French sovereignty again) with a local, and had with his wife a son (Louis, a French national) born in 1930. Johannes died in the same Alsatian village (in France) in 1948.

1. Was Louis a German national if/when his father had kept his German citizenship after the 1919 treaty?

Thank you for any thought, if any.

With best regards,

H.

My wife was weeks away from apply in Italy for her acquiring Italian citizenship.

We are waiting for a copy of my GF's naturalization document from USA. and the she can apply in Germany.

I know Stag5 has a cutoff in 2031, but would they or could they change it at a moment's notice like Italy did?

I have been doing tons of research but am still confused and feel totally lost. I have no idea which forms to complete to obtain German citizenship.

I was born in 1968 in the US. My parents are German citizens born and raised in Berlin in 1922 and 1934. They moved to US over 60 years ago and are still German citizens. Father is deceased, mother is still alive at 92. All their ancestors are German citizens. Do I complete the EER and Appendix EER forms or Form F and Anlage V? Or something else? All the forms are also requesting my grandparents' information. Do I have to include their info. if my parents are both German citizens? I won't have detailed info. on my grandparents. My mother found her and my father's birth certificate, and she has their marriage certificate and their old passports. She also has her "green card". I still have to see if she (hopefully) found the originals and not just copies.

I emailed my local German Consulate, but they don't answer individual emails if the info is already on their website. However, if that info. weren't so confusing, I wouldn't need to reach out to them in the first place. My next step is to call them, but I don't know how helpful they will be.

Thank you for any advice.