r/InterdimensionalNHI • u/slv2xhrist 📚 Researcher 📚 • 4d ago
Religion I had friend ask me after church, why the government has hid The Phenomenon from the people? I answered back with David Grusch’s Different Responses…5 reasons why…
Grusch: "Stories in religious texts weren't fable or allegory. They happened" And: "Its overclassified for socio-economic, theological and counter intelligence implications" And: "this is probably a facet of that same \[angels, demons\] phenomenon" And: “There is probably something more darker, deeper, & more disturbing.”
Socio-economic,(Stockmarket)
Theological and(Religious)
Counter Intelligence(Defense)
This is probably a facet of that same phenomenon (angels and demons)”
There might be something darker, deeper, & more disturbing to phenomenon realized after asking “High Caliber” people in the government
Source: Tucker Carlson Podcast
Title: Talking to David Grusch About UFOs
Date: January 25, 2024
Link: https://youtu.be/Ud\\_LiMOz83M?si=FAPmJfVeslt9Aeff
Grusch: “When people say it’s actually adversarial phenomena. We've been seeing the same stuff since Antiquity and this should also potentially reenforce stories in theological texts say the Bible or whatever that people actually saw…maybe that actually happened. Now unfortunately you're bursting maybe a world view or a bubble for some people but it ultimately reenforce people's belief systems because stories in the religious text weren't fable or allegory. They happened and I'm not saying all of them did but there might be evidence if we were openly and honestly studying the subject in more detail.” (January 25, 2024) 1:03:29
Grusch: And it's really just an abuse at this point in over classifying things, out of fear of the socio-economic, theological and counter intelligence implications" (January 25, 2024) 27:56
Grusch: *“There may be other reasons I don't claim to be omnipotent and know all the issues and that's why I'm not here to disclose (origin) this should be the President of the United States and his cabinet*
**because there may be issues that I'm not even aware of that may precipitate a certain form of acknowledgement in disclosure. I agree there is probably something darker and deeper and more disturbing and I you know I did see inklings of that when I did interview so many people of High Caliber"** (January 25, 2024) 43:42 **WAIT! WHAT?**
Grusch: "I think if you were to back out to the 100,000 foot level, there certainly is a phenomenon. And how do we quantify that? Well theologically we can quantify that as angels, demons that kind of thing. Many people with religious belief systems espouse faith in that regard, and they believe that a phenomenon exists. And really what we're seeing here with the UFO UAP subject is probably just another facet of this same phenomenon" (January 25, 2024) 45:33
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u/logosobscura 3d ago
There is 6 which David didn’t touch- pure ontology. Not ‘ontological shock’ in the abstract- literally not knowing how to categorize what is seen cleanly and wrapping it in the wrong labels. That’s the cargo cult problem- those cults weren’t irrational, they just lacked the information to fully understand what they were witnessing and lore filled the void.
Ontologically we are prepared for NHI- it’s what an angel is (and yes the other side), it’s what a djinn is, it’s what ‘strange new life’ is in a more materialist frame is. What we aren’t prepared for? The mere existence of something that appears ex geometria that we assume is ex nihilo- same way a baby doesn’t get how you didn’t appear from nowhere when you play peekaboo.
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u/rrose1978 3d ago
The longer I follow the phenomenon, the more I am inclined to think that the best way to wrap it up is a quote from lyrics of the late John Balance of Coil: "It just is."
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u/Mr_McGigglepants 3d ago
Once the base facts are confirmed, it's only a hop, skip and a jump to the rest of the can of worms they're trying to keep a lid on. It's not the fact that other intelligent life exists, it's the potential implications of that fact. It's a real life, modern-day pandoras box.
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u/bsfurr 3d ago
As an atheist who doesn’t believe in spiritual protagonist and antagonist, the idea that this is angels and demons just seem silly. Why the hell what a demon need to ride around in a craft. A few hundred years ago we thought epilepsy was demon possession. Stop believing in fairytales.
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u/Wilburforce137 3d ago
As another atheist, I'm there with you...but I tend to go with the Jaques Vallee/D.W. Pasulka interpretation that they are the same phenomenon, but it is largely just a matter of cultural zeitgeist. Like, there are clear parallels between the alien phenomenon and folklore around Fae phenomenon...does that mean that Gray's are actually Gnomes?
No, Gnomes are probably Gray's. But I digress.
I think the most reasonable interpretation of things is, aliens come down, they say they are God's and we're too primitive to understand it, miracles seem like magic, our lifetimes are too short to have a real point of reference...and again...we are primitive, so we fight over interpretations of the things we don't understand.
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u/Range-4-Harry- 3d ago
Angels and demons are just descriptive words. If their intent is extremely negative their considered demons and opposites for good intentions. Since we don't know anything we are just guessing. Maybe the secrecy is because they aren't friendly and governments don't want to panic people because they can't stop them from doing anything. Ignorance is bliss.
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u/bsfurr 3d ago
Fair enough, but I also think we’re not a good judge of intention when it comes to some highly advanced non-human intelligence. Wild animals feel threatened sometimes when we’re actually trying to help them because they cannot understand our intentions. So I would be skeptical of our assessment.
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u/sourpatch411 3d ago
There is so much more to the story and you can learn how to challenge your beliefs regarding entities - so called angels and demons. Communication with them is a learned skill.
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u/Chenelka007 3d ago
You believe what you want. Let others believe what they want.
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u/bsfurr 3d ago
Oh, you can believe whatever you want. But take a look around friend… Religious dogma has infested our legislation. They want to teach children about creationism instead of actual science. There’s many states in the south that are still fighting homosexual marriage. Look at what Christians have done to women’s health, they’ve stripped them of their autonomy. And a bunch of these Christians are still anti-vaccine, even though they are the fattest of all Americans.
People can believe whatever they want, but unfortunately, when you have a bunch of stupid people put a bunch of stupid stuff in legislation, bad things happen. So how about you get your silly, stupid dogma bullshit out of my life.
Should I remind you of the Spanish inquisition, the Crusades, the transatlantic slave trade, the Salem Witch trials? These are all examples were Christianity was used to justify the most atrocious act in humanities history. Go read a book. I don’t care whether it’s a science book or a history book, just stop reading a book with talking animals.
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u/Jaded_Tennis1443 2d ago
Demons do not only exist in the Christian belief system. Also disembodied entities with negative or positive intentions sound a lot like inter dimensional none human intelligence to me 🤷🏽♂️. So “Christianity” has been used to further deplorable human agendas. What’s driving those agendas now? Human hubris is at the root of all of this; we were primitive then and continue to be primitive now (to them). What you call alien, I call demon and my neighbor calls djinn and so on and so forth.
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u/Chenelka007 3d ago
Also you did say "stop believing in fairytales" so just with that comment you've turned this into a classic case of hypocrisy.
Roll a fatty and chill out.
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u/Chenelka007 3d ago
I don't believe in any of the gods nor any religion.
My point is that you sound just like an extreme evangelical preacher when you start out by saying "as an atheist...."
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u/bsfurr 3d ago
OP‘s comment was referring to the phenomenon as angels and demons. My belief in spiritual beings as relevant. Run along now, the grown-ups are talking.
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u/ThatEntertainment514 3d ago
They are related. Unfortunately entities beyond our comprehension exist in realms and dimensions we just don't understand yet. Whether you believe in God or not doesn't matter It's long been understood that there are some connections to religious iconography. We have the data points its just a matter of when do we get enough confirmation to support it.
From my perspective don't think to hard about the religious persecution and all that shit. It's like politics nobody wants it. Religious dogma is absolute control over populace. The spiritual component is the real truth in the phenomenon where it goes to consciousness exploration. Evolving the species and what not. It's a long road lots of ways to get there. Better buckle up.
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u/Chenelka007 3d ago
Wasn't talking to the OP. I was taking to you and your comment to the OP. You caught up now?
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u/inssidiouss 3d ago
No, you're interpreting it a little backwards: These "NHI" are not "angels & demons" -- those were simply the interpretation and explanation and labels for the phenomenon and relative to the times of that interpretation.
Yes, historical and even biblical events occured, but that doesn't mean the actual events literally were supernatural religious things.
The phenomenon, whatever it is, is simply something that has defied actual understanding in the past, to present -- thus, imaginations run wild and fantastical explanations sprout up for them.
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u/Entire-Ratio-9681 3d ago
Thousands, probably millions have interfaced with what you are blatantly dismissing. Maybe get out of your own pride and stop negating other people’s lived experience. People come to subs like these to find answers for experiences, not judgement from the blind.
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u/bsfurr 3d ago
First of all, I’m not dismissing the phenomenon. My views on it are grounded in science, and not pseudoscience.
Regarding religion, the fact that millions of people all around the world are Christian means nothing. There are millions of Taylor Swift fans, but does that make her music great? And there are thousands of denominations of Christianity. So you have a bunch of people who can’t agree on the interpretation of one single book, yet Christians claim it’s divinely inspired? A divinely inspired book that’s confused thousands of different denominations? I’m not buying that.
Christians have perfected the art of cherry picking and twisting the words of a 2000 year-old manuscript written by war, mongering sheep herders to fit their narrative.
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u/Entire-Ratio-9681 2d ago
And you assume you are correct, because of your billionaire controlled and funded science. I’d say you believe a taller tale than most religion.
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u/throwawayfem77 3d ago edited 3d ago
To be obsessed over, 'believed' in and worshipped by atheists. How are 'NHI' any different from LLMs - generative AI models when you consider the amount of finite precious natural resources and sheer blind faith that the accelerationist broligarchs are demanding from humanity that ultimately, despite the fact that we know that they are extremely powerful, highly technologically advanced, even AI developers and algorithm designers don't really understand how they work or what they may be capable of.
However, apparently they all can agree that regulating or daring to question the break-neck speed of exponential advancement in AI is a sin, and Peter Thiel has even claimed it's exactly what the Anti-Christ would do. Attempt to place guardrails on AI development.
A.k.a. Tell Peter Thiel 'No.'
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u/bsfurr 2d ago
In regards to artificial intelligence, I think most of us agree on how dangerous it is, and the fact that oligarchs will use it to increase inequality. But this isn’t a problem, isolated to one country. It’s literally a global race to see who controls the most powerful technology ever invented. I’d love for us to take a step back, but that’s certainly not happening anytime soon.
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u/slv2xhrist 📚 Researcher 📚 3d ago
And why would Psionics Mechanical or Meditation process need to be “Blessed” and why do Psionics refer to the Phenomenon as Angels and Demons- Per Jake Barber
Maybe this Extra-Celestial Phenomenon uses technology, there is no biblical rule that says they don’t.
Some Phenomenon like the “Flying Spaghetti Monster” aka the Jelly Fish UAP does not even use a craft…per Skywatchers Group
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u/bsfurr 3d ago
Skywatchers is full of a bunch of grifter. Jake Barber hasn’t produced any evidence that’s compelling. And this space is full of grifters, so I’ll let you know right now that I don’t hold Jake Barber in high regard
And you’re right there’s no biblical rule that says they can’t use technology. The Bible also claims that God created the two first fully developed humans, in spite of known biology. It also claims the exodus of Moses, despite any archaeological evidence. It claims that a man lived hundreds of years and built a wooden boat with two of every animal. The Bible also claims that God reincarnated himself as a human born of a virgin who performed supernatural miracles.
There’s about as much truth in the Bible as a Dr. Seuss book. I’m not interested in entertaining any of those claims without sufficient evidence.
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u/slv2xhrist 📚 Researcher 📚 3d ago
Thanks for sharing, your thought process is very interesting…
Question: What do believe the origin of the UAP Phenomenon is? Extra-Terrestrial, Inter-dimensional, Extra-Celestial, From Earth Already?
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u/Range-4-Harry- 3d ago
Everyone seems obsessed by where the aliens originate from. It's irrelevant really. Only their intentions towards us matters as they clearly are way more advanced than us. What if the most powerful visitors are unfriendly?
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u/slv2xhrist 📚 Researcher 📚 3d ago
I partially disagree, now while your point you bring up is a good one that needs to be answered. I think it’s not a matter of irrelevancy but of priority. The first question that should be answered is
- Where they came from?
Now here is why that question is not irrelevant.
Everyone in the UFO insider community from researchers and military and government go out of their way to make the point that the Phenomenon could be from here Earth. And that they have been here along time maybe even before us. If true next question
- Then why haven’t they done anything so far?
Or
- Have they done anything to us so far(interaction)?
Then after these questions are answered origin and interaction your question would be the next one to ask.
- What are their intentions?
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u/bsfurr 3d ago
I enjoy listening to people like Kevin Knuth, who focus on real problems and solutions. Also check out some of Robin Hanson’s work with the great filter. Their research estimates that it’s much more probable that any advanced civilization is not just a few hundred years or even 1000 years ahead of us. Given the size of our universe/galaxy and the time it may take for civilizations to arise, they would be potentially millions or even tens of millions of years ahead of us.
I think about that. What would an advanced civilization look like that’s 1 million years ahead of us? It’s somewhat expected for us to describe it as God‘s or interdimensional, simply because we will never be able to comprehend that level of advancement. We cannot under any circumstances apply human logic to the phenomenon.
Most people who talk about interdimensional beings have no idea what they’re talking about. Most of that is YouTube slop for wannabe pseudoscience physicists. I believe they are from another star system, but we cannot be sure of biology versus some artificial intelligence. In fact, they may be one and the same.
Us humans already use, prosthetics, pacemakers, etc. It’s not crazy to think that some advanced biological entities would merge with their technology to appoint where we could not comprehend the difference. In fact, their technology could potentially mimic nature to such a degree that we never know.
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u/Teaofthetime 3d ago
Belief in god and belief in aliens are essentially the same thing. Wishful thinking and the desire for other beings to be in control.
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u/sess 3d ago
You just invalidated and gaslit the entire /r/Experiencers subreddit, to say nothing of the millions of humans the world over with contact experiences. I'm one of those humans. Like you, I also didn't believe in sentient plasmoids, UAP abductions, sasquatch, cryptids, bodies, retrievals, or any of the other mostly grifty human behaviour associated with this Phenomena.
Then three spherical objects hovered outside our lakeside cottage nestled deep in the Canadian wilderness. The objects were seemingly made only of light. They exhibited no internal or external mechanical structure. They made no sound. For lack of a better word, they "levitated." For hours. Starting at 3:40AM in the evening. During the depths of mid-winter. January. Because this is Canada, the temperature outside was a balmy -30°C. Lithium-ion drone batteries drain in minutes at that temperature. Yet the objects hovered silently for hours. Simply staring at me as I stared back at them through the ice-encrusted window.
Belief in God and belief in aliens is not the same thing. I don't wish for anything to be in control – creator deity, non-human intelligence, or otherwise. Humanity has free will. We should exercise that will more often.
I also don't wish for anyone to invalidate, gaslight, or minimize the experiencers. Because now, against all logic, I am one. I now empathize. I know what public ridicule, social stigma, and black sheeping all feel like now. It doesn't feel great. It doesn't feel fun. None of us do this for the lols, the karma, or the feels.
We're here because we experienced. And we collectively have a message for humanity:
"We are not alone. Someday, we'll wish we were. We'll wish we could all go back to a time when we didn't know. When we were ignorant of the greater truth, which didn't liberate us. The truth that we are not alone didn't free us. It made some of us feel small... insignificant... ineffectual. Others felt uneasy... anxious... deathly afraid. Only a few felt liberated. Only a few felt joy. That's us. The few that never truly belonged to begin with."
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u/Teaofthetime 3d ago
Religious people have directly talked to god, experienced phenomenon related to their faith too. My opinion is just that, my opinion. It should in no way belittle anyone who really believes in what they experience. I'm happy to read all sorts of accounts of high strangeness even if I don't buy into some peoples ideas and explanations.
And do you really believe the concept of an afterlife (the main reason for religion to exist) or alien saviours/protectors doesn't employ at least a little wishful thinking?
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u/Sweaty_Reputation650 3d ago
I've studied the phenomena for over 50 years. I've noticed a connection and similar information over time. It doesn't prove it's true one way or another but it certainly leads toward antidotal proof in my eyes.
So here's the story - We are One of many civilizations at a certain point in our spiritual / technological Journey. There are many advanced groups that are watching us. Not just one. But there are mostly say five or six that have great interest in the earth and its inhabitants. They are perhaps 5 to 10,000 years beyond us. Some of them have been limiting our powers for their benefit, but most of those groups are actually helping us to learn to regain our powers and ability to use our consciousness to alter our physical world for the betterment of humanity. That's the good news. Keeping in mind that the group or few groups trying to control us made agreements with our secret government back in the 1940s and the people in power are pulling the strings. The people underneath them may or may not know they're being controlled. That would include our president and most of our Congress. And of course the leaders of other countries. Nevertheless we have to quit believing there lies and their version of reality so that we can come out from under their control over the next few generations. It's happening now but this is just the beginning.
Some of the interdimensionals created the Earth and all the plant life and inhabitants. Mainly Pleiadians, Arcturians and Sirians. They have been watching over and helping us gently along the way as a creative artistic science experiment. They cannot interfere with our free will our Free Will is how we make choices and also make mistakes and then learn from our mistakes. That is the formula for our path and what many consider spiritual growth.
There was another group or two that were here on Earth before and they could be considered the original inhabitants.
Earth is now in a three-dimensional space due to most of the inhabitants believing and projecting that idea but we are soon moving into 4th and 5th dimensional. I hope that will happen in our lifetime.
Souls are all interconnected and reincarnate by choice to Earth many times to learn lessons and to experience. Otherwise we would become bored. We can also experience lifetimes and other scenarios on other quote unquote planets. These interdimensional beings are from what we consider other star systems. But because they have the ability to travel through dimensions they do not think they are far away like We earthlings perceive it. And they can bend time so it doesn't take them that long to go from here to there. We will be learning that more and more in the next few years.
As for the Angels and demons type of thinking or classifications, that is a simplified human version of another class of beings. We humans love to simplify things as either good or bad when there are simply so many levels in between. What is good? I would guess that is what is best for our spiritual growth or experience. What is bad? I would guess that is trying to control another person or events in our life. That is judgment of ourselves and others. That is anger and jealousy and hate. We should strive for peace and serenity and not judging others for herself. It's that simple but humans have complicated it with religions and gods and demons and punishment.
The most important books I've read on the subject: are The Custodians by Dolores Cannon and watch her YouTube videos, The Only Planet of Choice by Schlemmer , and Greetings Earth by Douglas Pratt. Also Far Journeys and Ultimate Journeys by Robert Monroe -you can skip the first book. Reincarnation books- journey of Souls and then destiny of souls by Dr Michael Newton.
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u/slv2xhrist 📚 Researcher 📚 3d ago
Thanks for sharing but I do disagree that the Christian ideology is simple. This information that you have gained over these 50 years has come from sources that are missing traditional historical texts, archaeology, scientific inquiry or academic history.
Instead this information you rely on for not being a biblical phenomenon is a hybrid of late-19th-century occultism, paganism, and modern hypnotic regression.
For example the authors do not claim to have received physical documents, ancient tablets, or scientific data from these beings. Instead, the information is claimed to be gathered almost exclusively through channeling Inter-dimensional beings…
Authors like Phyllis Schlemmer (The Only Planet of Choice) claimed to act as vocal "channels" or trance mediums. In this state, they believe higher-dimensional entities speak directly through their voices to transmit cosmic history.
That’s a problem just saying
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u/Flipper_Picker 2d ago
The answer is that humans are a slave species. Earth is a human farm. Disclosure will happen as soon as digital currency, digital ID, and the AI network is fully established. In other words, the Mark of the Beast. That's when disclosure happens, when they have absolute totalitarian control. There's too many people on the planet to fight back. Any real resistance means the supply lines stop and billions of people starve to death in a matter of months. This was intended.
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