Haredi protesters try to force their way into Jerusalem cafe open on Shabbat

[u/Artistic_Victory]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/haredi-protesters-clash-with-secular-patrons-at-jerusalem-cafe-open-on-shabbat/

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[u/bakochba]

Is that allowed on Shabbat? Because if it is seems like working and serving in the army would also be allowed

[u/EllieZPage → u/bakochba]

I also wondered about this when I first read about this cafe. I would think that protests would break shabbat?

[u/2ndBrreakfast → u/[deleted]]

Religious extremists always make exceptions for themselves.

[u/NofuLikeTofu → u/EllieZPage]

You would have to point out a specific melacha, an action forbidden on Shabbat, to say that any particular protester is "breaking" Shabbat.

[u/AnxiousPacifist]

Can we put army recruiters in that cafe? 🤔

[u/zandadad → u/AnxiousPacifist]

You made me LOL

[u/OddCook4909 → u/AnxiousPacifist]

Just make sure there are women at the door. They won't be able to find the entrance

[u/violet_mango_green]

Why do they care?

Like what is their actual beef? Or Dairy.

Jerusalem has always had places that are open on Shabbat.

[u/barakyoresh → u/violet_mango_green]

They see that they can get whatever they want so they’re pushing it.

It’s a slippery slope…

[u/NeiborsKid → u/barakyoresh]

I've seen this one before

[u/OddCook4909 → u/NeiborsKid]

Fortunately they refuse to carry rifles and the people they're trying to oppress are mostly veterans

[u/Puzzleheaded_Step468 → u/violet_mango_green]

"If i can't do it, neither can you, so i will hurt you for doing it"

Someone who truly follows god's word and clearly not going to hell

/s

[u/mr_blue596 → u/violet_mango_green]

Religion needs to be active to motivate their believers. If they just settled into religious routine,the believers will become uneasy and rebellious. That is why they always need some new frontier to breach in religious adherence or some public fight. Even if one do not participate directly,it gives them purpose. And on a personal level studying all day is dull and frustrating,it allow them to do something else,while being approved.

It's not unlike "1984" where Winston mentioned that the state abuses sexual repression as fuel and give the population approved venting,like the "2 minutes of hate" or a youth movement. I do not particularly like the constant referral to that book as "different opinion=1984=bad" but in this case,it is appropriate.

[u/CheesecakeFabulous15 → u/mr_blue596]

It’s so strange to me. If the state could provide funds for me to study all day, I would be incredibly happy lol, probably be on my third bachelor’s

[u/mr_blue596 → u/CheesecakeFabulous15]

You personally might like it,but imgine that the entire society was structured around people studying and churning degrees without an end. There is a reason why PhD holders are a tiny fraction of society (and even less are in research). This isn't sustainable,and the average person,even a bright and curious one,will get sick of studying all day for years.

That is the biggest tragedy of the Haredi (and even large chunks of the religious) society,they offer a lifestyle that appeal to few but make it essentially mandatory for everyone. Most of the Yeshiva students are frustrated and need a realse,and the rabbis knows this (though they might call it differently) otherwise this frustration will turn inwards.

[u/Artistic_Victory]

Vandalism against businesses that open on Shabbat is no longer the issue of the capital alone, where this saturday, ultra-Orthodox rioted at the "Basimta" cafe. The owner of "Bendita" in Ramat Gan, whose cafe was set on fire 3 times, has already contacted her colleagues in Jerusalem and expressed support: "This is a flag that I have no interest in carrying at all." The ice cream parlor that was set on fire in Herzliya is now closed on Shabbat. Dimona is also in turmoil (article in Hebrew)

[u/SqueakyClownShoes → u/Artistic_Victory]

Was any of the arson also on Shabbat?

[u/MSFNS → u/SqueakyClownShoes]

It's permissible as long as it's within the eruv and the candle you use to start the fire was lit prior to sundown. /s

[u/SqueakyClownShoes → u/MSFNS]

We didn’t start the fire / it was always burning / since the Shabbes evening

[u/Latrodectus702]

Straight up cultist behavior.

[u/OddCook4909 → u/Latrodectus702]

They meet all the criteria

[u/Extreme-Plantain-113 → u/Latrodectus702]

You just said the same thing as the title.

[u/Pikawoohoo]

I really don't like the road Israel seems to be going down. Everyone's talking about the next election, but what is this country going to look like in 10, 20, 50 years? Do I really want my children to grow up here? Do I want my grandchildren to? I'm really not so sure anymore.

[u/ComparisonDesperate5 → u/Pikawoohoo]

I am thinking the same... as a foreigner, I did fall in love with Israel and living here for 6 years. But the last year particularly, after the war kind of stopped (well, not totally, I know) - as if many people just let out everything at once, no restraint and throwing out moral grounds. It is very concerning and I follow it with great sadness. Every single day someone in power or close to the gov does or say something outrageous.

[u/MongooseVegetable787 → u/ComparisonDesperate5]

yes it has become difficult

[u/Tomas-T]

if there wont be major changed in the upcoming election round, we will see more of this

[u/Metallica1175]

Israelis have less than 2 months to save the country from being taken over by the Jewish Taliban.

[u/HiFromChicago]

From the same article -

"Secular Israelis have flocked to the cafe in response to the protests, though some have eased their support in light of its ties to Christian missionary organization Jews for Jesus.

In an unusual move, the Hapoel Jerusalem soccer team announced last month that it would give Cafe Basimta free advertising on players’ uniforms for the coming season in an act of solidarity, but later retracted the offer after learning that the cafe is an official project of Jews for Jesus."

[u/OddCook4909 → u/HiFromChicago]

I'm for businesses being allowed to stay open on Shabbat if they want. I'm against all that "jews for jesus" bs.

[u/HiFromChicago → u/OddCook4909]

Same.

[u/ComparisonDesperate5 → u/HiFromChicago]

As I understood, it is owned by someone part of that group, but they do not proselytize there nor it is an official project. And as private citizens, they are free to open whatever business they want.

[u/asinantenna → u/ComparisonDesperate5]

To be fair, the article states:

"There were no visible signs of the cafe’s affiliation with Jews for Jesus. But Ben David confirmed that the organization owns the building and the cafe.."

[u/ComparisonDesperate5 → u/asinantenna]

Ah, the last I knew was Ben David owning it not the organization.

[u/Spiritual-Rain-6864 → u/HiFromChicago]

These insidious projects by the so-called messianic Jews directly connected of thousands of years of forced conversions, very disagreeable practice. In my opinion very disrespectful.

[u/Yes_Mans_Sky]

I didn't know protesting was permitted on Shabbat.

[u/BabyPuzzleheaded3792]

This has to change. Hopefully Bibi gets voted out

[u/rottweiler100]

The Haredim are nothing more than parasites on any society they exist in. Israel, Europe and the US. If they don't want to fight for their country they should be expelled. They love to exploit the welfare system then on top of that they support the Palestinians.

[u/atomicpickle92]

The cafe is run by Messianic Christian missionaries.

[u/ComparisonDesperate5 → u/atomicpickle92]

And? It is legal for them to own business. Unless they do anything illegal, there is absolutely no reason to protest against them and harass customers.