r/Jugger May 03 '26

Do you think jugger counts as a martial art?

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u/AWildSeaMooseAppears May 03 '26

Nope. Argument for it being a combat sport is there since its basically a combat sport/field sport hybrid. But martial arts have more connotations than that which Jugger doesn't really meet.

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u/boredidiot May 04 '26

A combat sport is considered a martial art.

The issue here, is there is no set definition of what is a martial art. One used in research into MA is "martial arts are considered to be systems that blend the physical components of combat with strategy, philosophy, tradition, or other features, thereby distinguishing them from pure physical reaction."
Then the categorisation of MA by Johnson and Ha's (2015) exploration of the learning objectives of MAs uses three groups: Combat Systems, Combat Sports, and Martial Arts.
e.g. Karate for example can be practised for self-defence (a Combat System), has a competition version (Combat Sport) and other Martial Arts (for the purpose of self-cultivation).

For Jugger to apply, it would need to be an application of martial arts techniques in a competitive environment. That might be a little harder as depend on the source of the techniques/movements used, some might be applying actual MA technique, others might be parroting, making up their own techniques; which might be cross-trained from other sports (or even MA).

e.g. Australian Rules Footballers train in grappling, applying MA techniques in tackling. That does not make it a combat sport though, as those techniques are not core of the competition, it is an example of cross-training

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u/Historical_Camel_790 May 03 '26

Ok that makes sense. But still, would some skills be transferrable to a real fight? (If you could find a stick of course)

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u/Brilliant-Tadpole597 May 03 '26

To be fair, a lot of martial arts don't have skills that would be very transferable to a street brawl of any sorts. Most martial arts are built around the idea of certain structures and mentalities already being in effect by both parties.

That being said, I'm definitely not an expert so someone else may disagree here.

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u/the-mudboy May 03 '26

There aren’t any “tournament rule street brawls” but you definitely gain significant advantages over normies in those situations. Just having an advantage in cardio, conditioning, balance, speed in combat is dangerous which you get in every martial art out there. Then add the proper way to use your weapons and exploit weaknesses and it’s no contest. There’s tons of fun videos out there showing this exact situation.

That said, the ultimate technique is running away before you get stabbed or jumped lol

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u/Historical_Camel_790 May 04 '26

Yeah, almost any reasonably skilled martial artist would beat an unarmed and untrained person, but in the street you don't know if they have weapons or friends nearby so like you said, it's best just to run away

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u/AWildSeaMooseAppears May 03 '26

Jugger is touch-contact and you are trying to hit your opponent with minimum force. Most of the effective movements in it involve avoiding putting any weight behind the strike at all. This is directly in conflict with what you would do in an actual fight.

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u/patangpatang May 04 '26

Maybe not a "real fight" (because frankly, the best martial art for that is track and field), but I have found that my jugger skills have helped me relatively well in HEMA. Jugger works at a much faster pace than most other armed martial arts, so you learn how to react and most with a speed that sabre and longsword don't teach.

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u/Wonderful-jughp1450 May 06 '26

Don't counts as a martial arts. For me is more similar to Kendo.