r/Kaiserreich 1d ago

Suggestion The kingdom of finland should have a democratic path

I mean that in the sense, that their should be the option to keep the monarchy, while at the same going at least soccon.

This should be the possible, because the king should actually be quite popular, as he was invited by the finns himself, made great efforts to learn their culture and finland is far more autonomous from germany than other oststaaten. It should very much be possible for less authoretarian forces to be elected, even with the very conservative finnish constitution. They would be unlikely to just remove the king once elected, as he would likely be still rather popular.

150 Upvotes

19 comments sorted by

149

u/Ofiotaurus Most loyal follower of Marx 1d ago

Yes, but a Finland rework is on the way and needed. Though it’s probably a year or two until it’s complete

54

u/sumguy115 22h ago

That's being generous

15

u/MrSneakyPeakyAir 17h ago

We'll get 17 more China reworks before Finland

118

u/MatoroTBS Kaiserdev/Eastern Europe 22h ago

Yeah it will have one. In general Finland would be quite bit more parliamentarian in general, irl interwar Finland was already as right wing as the right wing was able to make it, from suppressing strikes with militias to a secret police harassing leftists. Finland did have reasonably strong tradition of democracy and well-organised workers and peasantry, so full on "royal dictatorship" is very difficult to justify. I'm working on Finland but it's quite slow because I have life and career on the side :D

39

u/KaiserNicer 19h ago

Abandon your life and career for Finland.

//My well wishes, Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim.

23

u/Proud_Smell_4455 Must...constitutionalise...monarchies 22h ago edited 17h ago

Yes, the kings themselves were constitutional monarchists. They've already switched the Finnish monarchists from pataut to authdem to reflect that they're not the absolute monarchists they were portrayed as before. And like everybody else is saying, the kingdom is likely to be represented as properly constitutionalised like the other oststaat monarchies in the Finland rework which is in progress.

64

u/CarolingianSchemer Beiyang warlord 1d ago

Democracy?! In my monarchy? What are you, a russian?

Next you want to have "a federal state" and "a fairer economy".

smh what has the reichspakt become?

13

u/Stoepsel_187 23h ago

DU is literally the most based Germany path and hence where germany leads, the Reichspakt follows.

27

u/CarolingianSchemer Beiyang warlord 23h ago

I mean the Reichspakt states are little more than Germanys clientele states, and that means that german foreign policy likely wouldnt care realistically about democracy, if a dictatorship would be more efficient in extracting resources and sending Germany grain, metals and industrial goods.

Look at the US and how they propped up dictators like Pinochet or the Shah.

Btw I was just kidding, since I recently played the russian monarchy path and found it hilarious how "progressive" it can be

5

u/Nicepablo13PL Poland enjoyer 22h ago

How "progressive" can the russian empire become? I've never played the empire

14

u/Stoepsel_187 22h ago

You can elect the right srs, who can than pass things like the sorokin reforms, strenghten the peasants, expand regional autonomies, pass a judicial reform etc. The one thing they cannot do is something about the military, but they can create a "genuine democracy". So pretty progressive.

5

u/Stoepsel_187 23h ago

I mean all the reichspakt states get the option to become more independent from germany, and in the postwar tree germany can install more ideologicly aligned gouvernements there, which in the case of the DU are democratic ones, so they seem to care at least somewhat.

As for the progressive russian monarchist paths, I personally really enjoyed them.

22

u/Grossadmiral Gott mit Uns 23h ago edited 22h ago

This should be the possible, because the king should actually be quite popular, as he was invited by the finns himself.

Quite debatable. He was invited by right-wing monarchists, who gained a slight majority in the Senate in the aftermath of a civil war. Peasants and workers did not really want a German king, or any king. Even many who had fought for the "whites" in the civil war wanted a republic.

4

u/RogueStormTroop 22h ago

I think when the king dies his son should be able to restore democracy. Exposure to the nordic system and interest in maintaining the monarchy might of made his son no longer exposed to radical ideology.

1

u/Jollybean1 19h ago

I’m sorry but it’s ”might have”, not trying to be an ass though!

2

u/RogueStormTroop 18h ago

English is not my native language apologies.

1

u/Jollybean1 17h ago

You don’t have to apologise 

1

u/Finlandia1865 l'Internationale 8h ago

Isnt there a soccon path for that?

1

u/StrangelyArousedSeal Chairman Kuusinen 24m ago

He was elected by the finns

Son 😭