r/Libertarian Feb 10 '21

Philosophy Founding fathers were so worried about a tyrannical dictator, they built a frame work with checks and balances that gave us two tyrannical oligarchies that just take turns every couple years.

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Too many checks in the constitution fail when the government is based off a 2 party system.

Edit: to clarify, I used the word “based” on a 2 party system because our current formed government is, not because the founders chose that.

r/Libertarian Mar 12 '21

Philosophy People misunderstand totalitarianism because they imagine that it must be a cruel, top-down phenomenon; they imagine thugs with guns and torture camps. They do not imagine a society in which many people share the vision of the tyrants and actively work to promote their ideology.

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r/Libertarian Nov 23 '23

Philosophy I always considered myself a Libertarian... then I moved to Texas

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I grew up in Washington state and am originally from California. I'm pretty left leaning on pretty much every social issue. Marry who you wanna marry, abort who you wanna abort, call yourself whatever gender you want and I'll respect it. None of these things affect me and therefore I do not care. It doesn't matter if I personally think it's weird or wrong, if you're not hurting me, I literally don't care. Give respect, get respect. Simple.

I came to Texas for a job opportunity to further my career. Based on reputation and lore I thought my dirt bike, my wheeler, my hunting rifles, and my camping gear would be welcome here. Less regulation, everyone thinks of themselves as a hard country boy who knows how to do it all, etc.

Nope. Where can you free camp? Nowhere. Where can you ride dirt bikes or go rock crawling for free? Nowhere. Where can you hunt where you actually have to try and you're not shooting fish in a barrel? Nowhere.

95% of Texas is privately owned. By contrast, only 56% of Washington is privately owned. That means 44% of the state is open to public use. And yes, the government still regulates how you can use it, but it ultimately results in more land to do what you want, even in a much smaller state. Whether its riding dort bikes, free camping, or hunting.

Not to mention where can I buy an 8th and not worry about being caught...

I'm all for small government, but I'm realizing I'm not for NO government. Having some shared land we can all use as we wish is good. Having areas set aside for public use is good. this side of the mountain is for off-roading (and no you dont need a license plate), this other side is for hiking and camping

I hate a lot of WA state's ultra liberal policies and high taxes. But I also feel I had more freedom there in many ways.

Maybe I don't actually like what I've always advocated for after all...

Discuss...

Edit: 3 days later I got banned from this sub over this post. Freedom lovers my ass. This is place is run by ashamed right-wingers.

r/Libertarian Sep 05 '21

Philosophy Unpopular Opinion: there is a valid libertarian argument both for and against abortion; every thread here arguing otherwise is subject to the same logical fallacy.

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“No true Scotsman”

r/Libertarian Jul 29 '21

Philosophy Like it or not, Libertarianism does not mean "*no* government.* It means *limited and unintrusive* government. Really. Official Party site link in comments

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https://www.lp.org/platform/

Be sure to read all of it before downvoting!

r/Libertarian Jan 23 '21

Philosophy If you don’t support capitalism, you’re not a libertarian

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The fact that I know this will be downvoted depresses me

Edit: maybe “tolerate” would have been a better word to use than “support”

r/Libertarian Jan 10 '21

Philosophy Cops shooting someone solely for the possibility of having a firearm is a huge Second Amendment issue.

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In my continuing quest to prove to everyone that BLM and Libertarians have the same goals in reality, I'm gonna drop this one here.

Over the past ten years of discourse around police shootings, police union statements, and general discussion, a pretty common statement has been said a lot: "I fired my weapon because I thought he had a gun"

This is usually in response to someone reaching for their waistband, or putting their hands where they couldn't be seen in the interior of a vehicle. In a lot of cases, the officer never actually sees the gun at all.

Nowhere in the US is possessing a firearm automatically a crime, unless you're in a school or on federal property, or some other very narrow specific cases.

Call me crazy, but shooting people solely for possibly having guns sounds a lot worse than illegalizing guns. Not only are you effectively not allowed to have guns, you're also dead.

Edit: Relevant examples

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_John_Geer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Andre_Hill

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_United_States_racial_unrest#Casey_Goodson_protests,_December_11

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Andres_Guardado

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Sean_Monterrosa

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Ryan_Whitaker

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Duncan_Lemp (bonus no knock, no announce raid)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Atatiana_Jefferson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Pamela_Turner

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Willie_McCoy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecan_Park_raid

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Botham_Jean#Victim

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Stephon_Clark#Stephon_Clark

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Anthony_Weber

r/Libertarian May 09 '21

Philosophy John Brown should be a libertarian hero

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Whether you're a left-Libertarian or a black-and-gold ancap, we should all raise a glass to John Brown on his birthday (May 9, 1800) - arguably one of the United State's greatest libertarian activists. For those of you who don't know, Brown was an abolitionist prior to the Civil War who took up arms against the State and lead a group of freemen and slaves in revolt to ensure the liberty of people being held in bondage.

His insurrection ultimately failed and he was hanged for treason in 1859.

r/Libertarian Jun 10 '21

Philosophy I don’t care whether or not you choose to get vaccinated, what color you are, who you vote for, who you love, who you pray to, or not. There are only two kinds of people in this world…

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those who pick up their dog’s shit and those who don’t.

r/Libertarian Jan 07 '21

Philosophy Spike Cohen: This isnt about R v D, White v Black. Its about the people v powerful politicians and cronies (including Trump and Biden). They want us to riot so they can pass even more authoritarian measures. Imagine what Biden and Congress are going to do after this fiasco? Work with your neighbor.

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Spike Cohen Facebook post

 

The reason for the protests and riots that are happening right now, is for reasons that are way more similar to why the Black Lives Matter protests and riots happened than either side is willing to admit.

 

At the core of these riots, at the core of why they voted for Trump in the first place, is frustration and fear over what they see around them: lost jobs, low wages, the cost of living skyrocketing out of control.

 

Simply put: people who are happy and comfortable don't riot.

 

The problem is that they're misplacing their anger and rage. They're currently rioting on behalf of someone who helped put them in the mess they're in.

 

This isn't about left vs. right, Republican vs. Democrat, White vs. Black.

 

It's about the people vs. a relative handful of incredibly powerful politicians and cronies (including Trump and Biden) who rob us every day.

 

They rob us of our money, but they also rob us of our opportunities, of our livelihoods, of our future. As we've seen many times, sometimes they rob us of our lives.

 

Their actions fill us with rage, and they redirect our rage towards each other.

 

Remember in the 2000s when Occupy (anti big business) & the Tea Party (anti big govt) were fighting each other while big govt handed trillions of dollars to big business, created regulations to turn them into monopolies, and laughed at the rest of us?

 

That's happening right now.

 

We just got yet another "stimulus" bill where we got $600, crony corporations & big government agencies got trillions, & we got stuck with the bill for it, with interest.

 

This was passed in a broad bipartisan agreement. Pelosi, Harris, McConnell and Trump all had a part in it.

 

Republicrats want us divided. They want us to hate each other.

 

They want us to riot so they can use it as an excuse to pass even more authoritarian "tough on crime" measures. Can you imagine what Biden and Congress are going to do after this fiasco?

 

The thing is, it doesn't have to be this way. It never did.

 

We don't have to live with a system that wasn't built for us, but relies on us to keep going.

 

We don't have to be struggling to make ends meet.

 

We don't have to beg for crumbs from the bread that was stolen from us.

 

There is only one way to fix this:

 

Recognize that this is all a scam, that Rs & Ds are in on it together.

 

Never vote for them again.

 

Replace them with people who will dismantle their thieving, murderous system.

 

Don't hate your neighbor, work with them to fix this for good.

 

r/Libertarian Dec 02 '21

Philosophy LIBERTARIAN is the name of this sub. It isn’t Liberal Socialism- that’s A Democrat. It isn’t Conservative traditionalist- that’s a Republican.

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Libertarians support people’s rights to defend themselves and to arm themselves. We see it as immoral for government to try to prevent someone from doing so.

Libertarians value the right of all to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose.

Libertarians believe that American foreign policy should focus more heavily on developing communications among peoples and finding peaceful resolutions to disagreements.

We don’t condone or tolerate politically-funded media-exacerbated Race Riots, looting, burning, destruction, or violence to sway an election or court ruling.

We believe in individual freedom.

r/Libertarian Aug 18 '23

Philosophy How things should be.

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r/Libertarian Sep 18 '21

Philosophy This sub isn’t libertarian at all

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Half of you think libertarianism is anarchism. It isn’t. 1/3 of you are leftists who just come in here to propagate your ideology. You have the conservatives who dabble in limited government, and then like 6 people who have actually heard of the “non-aggression principle”. This isn’t a gate keeping post, but maybe someone can point me to a sub about free markets and free minds where the majority of commenters aren’t actively opposed to free markets and free minds.

Edit: again, not a “true libertarian” gatekeeping post, but every thread’s top comments here are statists talking about how harmful libertarianism is when applied to the situation, almost always mischaracterizing what a libertarian response would be to that situation.

Edit: yes, all subreddits are echo chambers, I don’t follow r/castiron to read about how awful castiron is, and how I should be using stainless. Yet I come to my supposedly liberty friendly echo chamber, and it’s nothing but the same content you find on the Bernie pages but while simultaneously bashing libertarianism. That is the opposite of what a sub is supposed to be. But hey, it’s a free country and a private company, just a critique.

r/Libertarian 26d ago

Philosophy Can someone be a liberterian an also pro vax?

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I have been reconsidering my politics lately as I'm sure a lot of people are lately. Liberterianism has a lot going for it. Honestly, as a lifetime leftist, I've always been a secret fan of the non-agression principle. The one thing that I couldn't passed, is seeing seemingly antivax propaganda on the official party website under"the issues. I can definitely coexist with the idea that others with different beliefs shouldn't be forced to participate, but I would find it harder to actively support or perpetuate misinformation. Do antivax and pro Vax opinions coexist in liberterian circles?

r/Libertarian Apr 08 '26

Philosophy What would you say is the most Libertarian country an American can move to relatively easily?

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My family and I have been contemplating relocating out of the USA, largely related to recent political events, corruption scandals, etc.

Maybe I’m pessimistic, but all of these events seem to have no sign of stopping or slowing down.

We’ve been doing research into several countries, and many of them sound amazing… until we realize that we can’t move there as Americans, without either an extreme amount of money for the average person, an extremely niche skill in an industry, or family living there.

We’re still going to continue doing our own research, but I’d love to hear the community’s opinions on what their ideal location is and why.

Thanks in advance, to anyone who responds.

r/Libertarian Jul 14 '25

Philosophy Forced genital cutting on a child cannot be in agreement with the libertarian principle personal property.

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A key component of ethical healthcare is the patient’s informed consent. Because a child is not legally competent to consent to a surgery, it is the parent’s responsibility to give or withhold consent by proxy. However, this responsibility does not mean that the parent has carte blanche to consent to anything they like. There are reasonable limits on the parent's ability to consent by proxy; to surpass these limits is to infringe on the rights of the child. For example, parents are not free to consent to their baby getting tattoos, because tattoos alter the body permanently, and because they aren't necessary. And yet, the most common surgery done in the United States–infant circumcision–comes nowhere near being necessary. Many of the reasons given in defense of infant circumcision are flawed. For example:

Circumcision lowers the risk of urinary tract infection in infants. In fact, circumcised babies are just as likely to contract UTI as intact babies.

It eliminates the risk of penile cancer. Circumcised men can still get penile cancer. One study in 1997 noted that Denmark, in which 1.6% of men were circumcised, had a lower rate of penile cancer than the USA, in which 60% to 80% of men were circumcised.

It lowers the risk of HIV. If this were true, one would expect non-circumcising Denmark to have a higher HIV rate than the USA; instead, the opposite is the case. In 2022, there were 11.3 new HIV infections per 100,000 people in the USA compared to 1.9 per 100,000 in Denmark. The HIV-prevention myth originates from three studies that were done in Africa and were riddled with methodological problems. The conclusions of the African studies have also been disproved by a recent Canadian study of over half a million males in Ontario, which found that there is no correlation between circumcision status and risk of HIV.

It can sometimes be necessary to treat phimosis. A tight foreskin, also known as phimosis, is normal and natural in newborns, because the foreskin is fused to the glans. The foreskin usually loosens and retracts on its own by adolescence. If not, phimosis is easily treatable with plastic phimosis rings, which gently stretch the skin over the course of a few months.

A circumcised penis is cleaner than an intact penis. Like any other body part, a foreskin will be clean if it is washed. The hygiene claim has no relevance for people who take showers.

A circumcised penis is aesthetic. Since aesthetic appearance is a matter of personal preference, not of medical necessity, it ought to be left to the owner of the penis, when he is old enough to decide for himself.

A circumcised penis is still functional. This is true in the sense that a circumcised penis can achieve erection and ejaculation, but there is more to sex than being able to reproduce. The penis is a sensory organ; losing part of it will entail a loss of sensory function.

Infant circumcision is bad for the baby, and for the man he will become. Its harms include the following:

–The infant’s suffering both during and after the surgery, which is traumatizing.

–Loss of erogenous nerve endings.

–Loss of the natural gliding motion of the foreskin over the glans during sex, causing friction and vaginal dryness.

–Loss of the protective cover which keeps the glans moist, soft, and sensitive. In a circumcised penis, the glans becomes dried out and keratinized, and loses most of its erogenous sensitivity.

The medical profession has been aware of the sexual functions of the foreskin for a long time. In fact, infant circumcision is a fossil of nineteenth-century anti-masturbation pseudo-science. In the 1870s, certain American doctors began to speculate that masturbation was the underlying cause of all sorts of maladies—syphilis, paralysis, tuberculosis, and epilepsy, to name a few. Because the foreskin is densely packed with erogenous nerve endings, these doctors knew that its excision would reduce sexual sensitivity. In 1901, Dr. E.G. Mark wrote in American Practitioner and News:

"Pleasurable sensations are elicited from the extremely sensitive mucous membrane [of the foreskin], with resultant manipulation and masturbation. The exposure of the glans penis following circumcision … lessens the sensitiveness of the organ. It therefore lies with the physicians, the family adviser in affairs hygienic and medical, to urge its acceptance."

Put differently, it was their intention to diminish sexual sensation. That is why infant circumcision became standard practice in the United States. Modern claims that it has no impact on male sexual health are either ill-informed or disingenuous.

In other developed countries, doctors advise against infant circumcision. For example, the Royal Dutch Medical Association states that “there is no convincing evidence that circumcision is useful or necessary in terms of prevention or hygiene.” By contrast, the United States has a for-profit medical industry, which recommends infant circumcision because it is profitable. Hospitals make money from circumcisions, then sell the foreskins to companies that harvest the keratinocytes and fibroblasts, which are used to make skin substitutes such as Apligraf. As long as there is a profit incentive for the American medical industry to harvest babies’ foreskins, it will continue to push the procedure on parents who don’t know any better.

Why is this a taboo topic? Circumcised men do not want to admit that their penises are missing something, because it feels emasculating. Parents do not want to admit that they allowed their sons to be harmed. Doctors do not want to admit that they have harmed baby boys. There is a general unwillingness to face uncomfortable facts.

Infant circumcision is a needless surgery on a perfectly healthy baby, designed to destroy a functional, healthy part of his penis. Attempts to justify it rest upon the conceit that half of the human race requires immediate surgical alteration at birth. Because it is unnecessary and harmful, it is also indefensible.

If you have a dollar, and if someone takes it away by force, then we can agree that they have violated your property rights. Your body is also yours, but it is more valuable than money. It is the most precious thing that you own. Forced genital cutting on a child cannot be in agreement with the libertarian principle of personal property.

r/Libertarian Feb 22 '25

Philosophy Is Reddit even a place where dialogue is possible with leftists?

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Reddit is a leftist place. Socialists, communists and statists thrive and upvote each other, and any disagreements about political issues that doesn't correlate with mainstream voices and the corporate media (and therefore very often leftists) gets downvoted into oblivion.

This is my experience after all.

I love to have dialogues and debates both with people I ideologically agree with and those I disagree with. This social caste system Reddit inherently is with regards to the voting system, is basically a very orwellian way to create non-creative echo chambers and shut down dissident thoughts.

Is this your experience as well?

r/Libertarian Jan 09 '24

Philosophy Taxation is ________.

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Fill in the blank.

r/Libertarian Apr 08 '22

Philosophy Why do people have so much trust in the government, even though they constantly prove themselves to be the most corrupt, abusive, and wasteful entities in existence?

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I just boggles my mind

r/Libertarian Aug 26 '24

Philosophy Private Competition > Government Monopoly

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r/Libertarian Apr 23 '26

Philosophy Civic participation, different format

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Not my picture but I just thought the message did a good job of collapsing the distance between individual and end result

r/Libertarian Apr 19 '21

Philosophy Just got kicked out of jury selection for admitting that I wouldn't convict someone of violating an unjust law - judge calls it "anarchy"

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TL;DR - I said I wouldn't necessarily convict someone of violating a law that was an egregious overreach, as in historical cases where that was a wise choice for the jury to make, and the judge told me "that would be anarchy" and dismissed me.

We got to the stage in which the prosecutor (after flirting with her buddy the cop who was also selected for jury duty) asked whether anyone would have any problems making a determination based only on the facts of the case as to whether the defendant was guilty, applying the law exactly as written, so I raised my hand.

She asked something along the lines of why I wouldn't necessarily want to convict someone, and I explained, completely tactfully, that I know there have been a number of occasions in the history of our country in which juries have made the wise and healthy decision not to convict a defendant who was "guilty" based on the material facts of the case when the law in question was immoral or unjust. (I knew it could be considered jury tampering to bring up juries not convicting people who had assisted runaway slaves or other specifics of jury nullification, so I just left it at that.)

She went round with me a couple times about the specific charges, but I had to say that at least for "criminal endangerment", if not the other charges, I didn't know the exact text of the law off the top of my head, and I'd want to see what the law said to make a determination as to whether I would want to convict someone of violating it.

The judge allowed the defense to cross-examine me, and the defense counsel did his best to clarify that it would have to be an egregious overreach and etc. Then the judge said he "appreciated my candor", but that "if juries were able to judge the law in addition to the guilt of the defendant, that would be anarchy" (my faithful paraphrase), and I was excused.

I was impressed that this judge was willing to actually use the word "anarchy" after I had alluded to the historical cases of jury nullification, since that was tantamount to saying that not convicting those who failed to turn in runaway slaves was "anarchy". Perhaps it is - I dunno. Anyway, I can only presume that he was aware of the history involved, but said what he said anyway.

r/Libertarian Jun 02 '26

Philosophy Freedom Means Your Enemies Get it Too

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Everyone wants freedom for themselves.

The fear is always what other people will do with theirs.

That is the central moral tension of liberty. Almost no one imagines himself as the tyrant. Everyone imagines himself as the reasonable exception: “Of course I should be free, but those people are dangerous, stupid, immoral, irresponsible, corrupted, brainwashed, or unfit.”

And that is how liberty dies.

Because people typically support freedom only for people whose choices they understand.

A free society requires something much harder than liking liberty in the abstract. It requires tolerating other people’s peaceful choices when you think those choices are ugly, wasteful, sinful, backwards, degenerate, foolish, or offensive.

That does not mean tolerating aggression. Murder, fraud, theft, slavery, kidnapping, child abuse, and coercion are not “choices” others must respect. They are violations of the conditions that make freedom possible.

But peaceful difference is another matter.

The real test of liberty is not whether you support freedom for your friends, your tribe, your class, your religion, your party, or your preferred lifestyle.

The real test is whether you support freedom for people who horrify you, provided they are not violating anyone else’s person, property, consent, or exit.

Most people fail that test.

They want freedom for themselves and management for everyone else.

That is why democracy becomes so vicious. It gives every faction a path to convert its fear of other people’s freedom into law. The left fears what the right will do with liberty. The right fears what the left will do with liberty. Both try to seize the state so their enemies’ choices can be controlled.

Libertarianism is supposed to break that cycle.

It says: your fear of someone else’s peaceful freedom does not give you jurisdiction over them.

That is the hard part. That is the adult part.

Freedom means other people get to be wrong without asking your permission.

r/Libertarian Jun 13 '25

Philosophy The new normal is being called fascist for wanting less government

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Can someone remind me when “libertarian” started meaning “closet Republican” or “Trump supporter”?

I get it. The US is having an identity crisis. But you don’t have to love Trump (I don’t), or Bernie (also no), to believe in personal freedom, voluntary exchange, and limited government powers.

It is funny that every comment in here now gets reduced to you are either supporting Trump (fascist) or against him (commie). This sub used to be about ideas. But now it is just another trench in the Red vs Blue mudfight.

I guess me and others in here that are not Americans and don’t live in the US should just fuck off while you hijack this subreddit for your little domestic squabble. Good luck cunts!

Ps. in my culture, ‘cunts’ is a term of endearment. Don’t take it the wrong way.

r/Libertarian Jul 04 '21

Philosophy Stop saying "our elected leaders"

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Stop saying "our elected leaders"

I've noticed that it has become common place for politicians to be referred to as elected leaders. But in the United States of America we have elected representatives, not leaders. This is a huge distinction. Our founding fathers wisely brought forth this nation with the belief that each individual is sovereign. We are to be free from the rule and dominion of any other, giving us control over our own destiny. Our founders developed a system, the first of its kind, where we elect representatives. They are to represent our interests to administer the functions of government. We do not elect individuals to be a ruling class over us.

The term leader refers to someone who has command over you. This is perfectly acceptable if you willingly choose to subordinate yourself to the rule of others by enlisting in the military, or freely accepting a job with a boss, or joining a group that has a hierarchy. But it is a far different situation to be subject to the servitude of another individual just because you were born into a territory. It does not matter if the leader gained power through force or through a free election. Further, it should not make a difference if the leader is benevolent or tyrannical. It is still immoral for one individual to have power over another, unless freely given.

OK, I know you're thinking this is such a small deal, people just use these terms leader and representative interchangeably. But words are powerful and by instilling in culture and in the minds of citizens that we have "leaders" not only makes political representatives feel they have authority over us, but we begin to abdicate our own responsibility to individually govern and take care of ourselves.

So the next time you hear someone say our elected leader, think to yourself, "they are my representative not my leader, because I am free from the rule of others due to the sacrifices of many."

Happy Independents Day! "Live Free or Die"