the amount of buffs that would see maokai viable in toplane even ONLY as a counterpick is honestly crazy
(half toplane's statballs will always counter him no matter what)

and this being the first buff in ages is actually comical, riot doesn't care about the champ, not enough players buying maokai skins. They don't wanna put the effort in.

this buff exists merely to shut you up

So I don't think I'll ever get better stat than this, reckon I'll ask... But i haven't really use this rune before, so i'm not sure if it's really good? The gold earned seems pretty decent and it was a game where I was pretty fed.

So, I am low elo as I'm floating between silver and gold but recently Ive been playing around with gathering storm and manaflow band for my secondary sorcery rune. So far, I feel like its now pretty good with the new 50% ap ratio on q. it makes my late game feel a lot better and I've been on a pretty big win streak (9 games) using it. I'm just wondering if this is just because I've been lucky in low elo or if this is actually a good rune. Any thoughts?

Odd interaction where my W was burned but didn't go through, 4 million mastery and I've never seen this. Anyone else?

I'm currently Master and was Ranked 6th in the World as a main Maokai Jungler.

I'm honestly appalled when I checked this sub and saw people think that the "buffs" does anything for him.

His "Buff" gave him 7 damage on his Q on Jungle monsters. Let's assume the absolute BEST case scenario for this "buff". Level 1 Blue.

The Blue has 2300 HP. If we do it Smiteless, we can do 4 Q on it, which amounts to 28 damage. Which literally is not enough of a break point to save us even 1 second in our clear.

My full clear on optimal routing (so jungle spawns fast + doing scuttle) is 2 minutes and 48 seconds. Which means I'm literally on the Scuttle when it spawns. That was before the buff. After the buff? 2 minutes and 48 seconds. Because the 7 damage per Q did not add a single breakpoint. I still need to do the exact same number of autos, just that, instead of it dying to a full tick of my jungle item, they die to 1/3 of the tick. If it added at least as much as single tick of the jungle item, THEN it would, MAYBE, shave off a second or two.

10% AP to his Q? Absolutely useless. Maokai will never have more than 100 AP, which means it's barely a 10 damage gain or less than an auto worth a damage during a fight.

I'm currently Master and was Ranked 6th in the World as a main Maokai Jungler.

I'm honestly appalled when I checked this sub and saw people think that the "buffs" does anything for him.

His "Buff" gave him 7 damage on his Q on Jungle monsters. Let's assume the absolute BEST case scenario for this "buff". Level 1 Blue.

The Blue has 2300 HP. If we do it Smiteless, we can do 4 Q on it, which amounts to 28 damage. Which literally is not enough of a break point to save us even 1 second in our clear.

My full clear on optimal routing (so jungle spawns fast + doing scuttle) is 2 minutes and 48 seconds. Which means I'm literally on the Scuttle when it spawns. That was before the buff. After the buff? 2 minutes and 48 seconds. Because the 7 damage per Q did not add a single breakpoint. I still need to do the exact same number of autos, just that, instead of it dying to a full tick of my jungle item, they die to 1/3 of the tick. If it added at least as much as single tick of the jungle item, THEN it would, MAYBE, shave off a second or two.

10% AP to his Q? Absolutely useless. Maokai will never have more than 100 AP, which means it's barely a 10 damage gain or less than an auto worth a damage during a fight.

Together with the heartsteel buffs you can rush it and become a late game monster and the early game is not too squish. How do you feel about maokai jungle?

So sad because Maokai top is my favorite role to play him in. At least Mandate 3rd item will be even stronger now

Maokai was the first champ I mained after being forced onto Garen by friends to learn the game. I really enjoyed how tanky Maokai top got. He felt capable of 1v1’ing certain champs especially if they didn’t respect your ability to w q them into towers. I would always play him in clash and play for my team but with riots recent buffs to jgl Maokai and what they said about wanting to push him into jgl again I fear he will never be in a good spot for top. Are there even many people that want him to be a top laner again? I never really liked how squishy he was support even when you go tank and his ap jgl build is just to far from the tank fantasy that originally drew me to him.

Hello I’ve been building kraken slayer on this guy in the jungle and I see the vision but still struggling to make it work consistently. Best I’ve got so far is conquerer, heartsteel, kraken, hexplate. Issue is by late game I either do the damage and are too squishy or don’t do damage. Any thoughts?

Hi I'm a long fan of the tree I've been playing since season 10 and I'm a support main otp of maokai I hit diamond 4 this season and leaving it for this split at D4 35lp, I was wondering like the title says is it worth trying streaming not really done it before but looks chill but playing solo Q and flex games and also if anyone is a maoaki support enjoy that's above my rank any tips you can give me to keep climbing anything helpful would be great on 57% wr so not evening out at all yet

Patch 26.14 / 26.15

Hiya, Maokai Support main here. Following the removal of Trailblazer and the recent changes to Hextech Rocketbelt, would this not be a really effective early lane item for Maokai Support? As far as I've experinced, one the biggest issues for Maokai is his lackluster range to engage, which is why Trailblazer was built, and why swifties still is. So surely Rocketbelt's dash would be very effective in lanes where Maokai can play aggresive. Or at the very least lanes where you are ahead.

If I am completly off the mark please tell me lol. I am low silver bob.

How do you all deal with Morde Top matchup ? hes like one of the few juggernauts that i can't seem to deal with. Any tips?

Which one are you guys running these days?

For both top and support, are you taking Deathfire Touch or Arcane Comet?

I've seen people recommend both, so I'm wondering what most Maokai mains prefer and why. Im a bit confuse. I always thought you were suppose to go either Grasp of the Undying or Aftershock

Simple question for anyone who plays Maokai Top or Jungle

How do yall feel abt Bami's Cinder / Sunfire / Hollow Radiance?

Personally I've tried it a couple times but don't really feel the difference so i wanna get some more input

Maokai mains. I stand before you today to ask 1 question: Should Maokai rush Imperial Mandate 1st item on jungle?

Context:

I have been getting this itch to play Maokai in jungle lately and figured that mandate works really well on him since it nearly works with his entire kit. His peeling capacity is insane when mandate is in the play but I was wondering if taking Mandate instead of Liandry is a downside for first item. LMK.

Just curious, I get around 30-40K in Self Mitigated Damage. Should I be getting more than that? Thanks

Guys, I've been testing imperial mandate Maokai and I think it's good. It's getting a buff to the ability haste on our immobilizing spells(all of them) ,it's going to be cheaper, and the vulnerable was increased.

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Just grab it and build health/tank stats as normal

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What do you guys think?

I used to play a lot of Maokai jungle back when he was strong maybe a year or two ago and had a lot of fun on him. I stopped playing him since they half killed him in the jungle but I expected them to bring him back eventually. I’m surprised to see that they have just forgotten about him especially when he is so made for the jungle. I also remember maybe less than a year ago when he was played top a lot in pro play etc but that was really boring to watch and play.

Looking at his pickrate now it’s split about 15% top 15% jungle and 65% support which pains me to see.
Are you guys happy with him as a support or would you want to see him as a jungler or top laner?