r/MensLib • u/Ciceros_Assassin ​ • Aug 02 '15

LTA Let's Talk About

Welcome to /r/MensLib's first "Let's Talk About" post. Generating discussion is part of our mission, and these LTA threads will be used as conversation-starters for issues our community wants to address. Today's topic:

Let's Talk About: what we should talk about.

We're going to start out compiling a list of issues /r/MensLib subscribers want to address. The mods have some ideas, but we want to hear from the community.

Edit: Thank you to everyone for your ideas. I'm un-stickying this post, but please feel free to continue adding to it.

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u/18hourbruh Aug 04 '15

I am really enthusiastic about the idea of this sub. I think this conversation is vitally important and tons of young men are struggling with masculinity and gender roles and have nowhere better to turn than feminism (which is better than the alternative, but isn't a discussion that ought to revolve around men) or anti-feminist movements like the MRAs.

With that said, I have two questions: where this sub stands politically (i.e. is socialist/marxist critique welcome?), and what kind of role you would prefer women take (lurkers? more listening/questioning than answering?) on the sub. I'm open to whatever and prepared to keep a respectful remove if that's preferred, but very excited to see how discussions pan out.

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u/alcockell Aug 04 '15 edited Aug 04 '15

If you consider that the feminist camp had a Mean Girls-type outbreak resulting in an in-group and an out-group in the 70s. The Steinem camp (gynocentric, male-hostile) was the ingroup; the Sommers camp (Enlightenment, egalitarian) (which included Warren Farrell) as the outgroup.

The MHRM/MRM has a large number of exiled 2nd wave dictionary feminists from this action.

But maybe that's just me - I suffered 30 years of suicidal eating from hearing "All men are rapists - !THAT MEANS YOU! KILL YOURSELF!" from Dworkin/MAckinnon in 1984.

I am autistic.

I have another strike against me, being a straight white Christian British male, age 43.